Pirating the Piratey Software... YAAAR!

[Steel_Stallion]

Your game sucked. So you don't get money for it. If you want money, make something good enough that I'll be willing to give you money.

Well, we still worked for it. Your opinion is that the game sucked, we could hardly care less. Like a bad restaurant, you've learned not to buy from us again, but you still have to pay for the food this time.

Yes. Believe it or not. If a company making a game you want is going out of business for lack of funding, are you going to get their games for free or buy a copy?

People who pirate software aren't heartfelt softees that will sympathize with a company just because it's going bankrupt, they don't give 2 shits.

Example: World Of Goo. The figure was about 96% in terms of pirated copies, and the independent developers were devastated. I didn't see a rise in sales, did you?

Irrelevant action. I wasn't going to pay anyway. They have not lost anything. My actions affect them in no way.

They all say that, but in the end if the means of acquiring the game for free weren't available to them, they'd have been more likely to buy the game.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Believe it or not, not everone's nice enough to pay for a game they just got for free, no matter how deserving the company may be. This is because people generally don't give a shit. I can deal with idealism, but this level of it is astronomical.

 

[Reaper2008]

Yup. I too have a few pirated stuff, but in the end I pay for it. Mostly games, as I've built 80% of my PC on freewares. Long live GNU!

 

[The_wand_mirror]

I don't do piracy on games i always had the habit of buying them =/ (I only pirate games that i think are not worth the cost)

But i do piracy on music...

 

[redscores]

Piracy is the only way to keep eating in this time, or do you believe a jobless woman with 2 children, which is trying hard to get a job, can afford games for their children? No? So please.... the social network was always a fucking trapwire, so stop arguing about the revenge at the socialism.

 

[I)eadnerzhul]

Piracy is the only way to keep eating in this time, or do you believe a jobless woman with 2 children, which is trying hard to get a job, can afford games for their children?

I think that's a really lame excuse. Seriously. People pirate games for themselves or for their friends because they don't want to pay- not that it's difficult to buy games, but because they just don't want to spend money on games. "think of the children!" doesn't exactly work here.

 

[redscores]

The stuff I said belongs to my family, so shut up, it was a real scene from my live.

 

[The_Grapist]

Dont insult piracy.
I make profit out of it

 

[I)eadnerzhul]

The stuff I said belongs to my family, so shut up, it was a real scene from my live.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm going to stick to what I said before: lame excuse for pirating.

 

[DocDude]

in here like 99% of anything solled in the interent is pirated, no one really buys anything and i must say that i myself dont remember buying music, games or anything. there are people (game companies and bands) that i think did a good job but i dont really have any money to buy their stuff (and lets face it, i doubt that even if i had i would have bought it).

internet pirating is nothing like real stealing. you dont see the face of the victim, you will probebly never be punished for it and everyone is doing in. the perfect crime

 

[Gilles]

Piracy is the only way to keep eating in this time, or do you believe a jobless woman with 2 children, which is trying hard to get a job, can afford games for their children? No? So please.... the social network was always a fucking trapwire, so stop arguing about the revenge at the socialism.

That's no excuse to steal a video game. You seem to afford a computer and internet anyways.

 

[Devine]

Pirates suck. I suck.

 

[Gilles]

I'm sorry to hear that, but it doesn't change the fact that you can't use that as an excuse to steal things.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Pirating is stealing, nothing you can change about that.


Doesn't stop me from doing it though.

 

[En_Fuego]

Well, Mr. Gilles, I got a PC from my father, which has much money, and the internet is nowadays not expensive, you should really shut up and think first, I got my PC as a present, and my parents aren't anymore together, and my father denies to pay for me or my brother.

So... but whatever, this is not part of this discussion.

First of all, read my signature.
Second of all, just because your father is a giant dickweed doesn't mean you should steal. If anything, you should spend your time in court with him.

 

[I)eadnerzhul]

Doesn't stop me from doing it though.

Exactly.

Street Fighter IV, here I come!

Second of all, just because your father is a giant dickweed doesn't mean you should steal. If anything, you should spend your time in court with him.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm going to stick to what I said before: lame excuse for pirating.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

In Brooklyn, New York (America), you can't work at 14. At least not officially.

Well if you 14, 1. you shouldn't be talking about pirating as you never had a job and don't understand the worth of money. and 2. if you wanted to get a job you could get one within minutes, especially in New York.


Pirating on the internet is stealing of digital ware, such as music, movies, games, books and software. If your downloading something that is not free, and is on the economic market being sold for a price, you are stealing it and hurting the economy, but your only hurting the economy if you could never possibly buy that digital ware with hard cash. If you could then you are inevitably hurting the market.

For instance if I can buy a "digital ware" product, but I download it illegally then I am harming the market, but if I can't or would never buy it even if I could or could not download it illegally then I am not harming the market.

Although it is illegal to download products period, it's just your choice if you choose to do it or not. And that's that.

 

[I)eadnerzhul]

Well if you 14, 1. you shouldn't be talking about pirating as you never had a job and don't understand the worth of money.

Funny, seeing as how my Dad drilled me in the past and still drills me now on how to save as much money as possible, and that even 20$ is a lot of money.

and 2. if you wanted to get a job you could get one within minutes, especially in New York.

Really? Do you live in New York? Do you want to get me an official, legal, *paying* job without lying about my age?

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

Funny, seeing as how my Dad drilled me in the past and still drills me now on how to save as much money as possible, and that even 20$ is a lot of money.

Really? Do you live in New York? Do you want to get me an official, legal, *paying* job without lying about my age?

I never said a legal job, but yea you could get a legal job pretty fast 2. Especially around Greenpoint, or anywhere actually. You want a job go in to a store and ask.

 

[Shinkoru]

Funny, seeing as how my Dad drilled me in the past and still drills me now on how to save as much money as possible, and that even 20$ is a lot of money.

Really? Do you live in New York? Do you want to get me an official, legal, *paying* job without lying about my age?

Because you are such a law abiding citizen, you worry about legal issues which is obviously why you pirate software off the internet. Why would you care about lying anyway? Lying < Stealing.

 

[I)eadnerzhul]

Because you are such a law abiding citizen, you worry about legal issues which is obviously why you pirate software off the internet. Why would you care about lying anyway? Lying < Stealing.

Stealing =/= Pirating. The reason is quite simple: I'm not somehow hacking into a company's software database or whatever and stealing the information; I'm downloading LEGALLY BOUGHT (although it might be heavily modified, such as being compressed or pre-cracked) software alongside other people. After the download is completed, fellow pirates will help eachother download software quicker by seeding the software for downloaders (leachers).

You are legally not allowed to modify a software's contents unless explicit permission is given (I.E. ripping models from World of Warcraft, just as an example), but I didn't do that- I downloaded modified software from someone who bought the software legally. A company may ask/sue/etc. for uploading a torrent or what-not, but pirating is not OFFICIALLY illegal... in the U.S., anyways, or at least not that I know of.

P.S. cracking a game is not illegal. It just lets you run a program without a disk in the drive.

 

[En_Fuego]

Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#Legality

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Stealing =/= Pirating. The reason is quite simple: I'm not somehow hacking into a company's software database or whatever and stealing the information; I'm downloading LEGALLY BOUGHT (although it might be heavily modified, such as being compressed or pre-cracked) software alongside other people. After the download is completed, fellow pirates will help eachother download software quicker by seeding the software for downloaders (leachers).

I love how you bolded the words "Legally Bought". It's as if you're trying to put emphasis on exactly what you refuse to do.

 

[Karawasa]

I'm not going to defend it, that would be ludicrous. Rather, I will just say I don't give a fuck. Since when did the internet have ethics?

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Well internet isnt something material so people have different vision about stealing software products. And one more thing here that this isnt directly ( from company ). You will probbly take, at least some people would, take money from the floor. That's stealing.
But you wont take it from his pocket.

You will download illegally some software from internet that is placed on some torrent site or I dont know. Hm why ? Probbly coz nobody cares ? Or coz nobody takes nothing about it. I think that's it.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

I'm not going to defend it, that would be ludicrous. Rather, I will just say I don't give a fuck. Since when did the internet have ethics?

Lol exactly. The internet is the WILD WEST of its time. What happens here stays here.

But you do have to be a total retard to say that pirating digital ware is not stealing. It is. No matter what you say, it is. And if anyone disagrees with that, then he is TROLLING AND WASTING FORUM SPACE. I say this topic should be closed. Cause that one 14 year old kid is just trollin all of us.

 

[I)eadnerzhul]

But you do have to be a total retard to say that pirating digital ware is not stealing.

You'd have to be a total retard to say that pirating IS stealing.

It is. No matter what you say, it is.

No matter what you say, it isn't. See how well that's working? At least I have facts to back me up, while you on the other hand are just talking.

And if anyone disagrees with that, then he is AN IDIOT FOR DISAGREEING WITH ME. I say this topic should be closed. Cause that one 14 year old kid is DISAGREEING WITH ME.

Pretty much what you're saying.

Just because I have my own opinion doesn't mean anything. I happen to openly support piracy, for reasons I have already stated. NoAmmoSrry, care to explain why you think pirating is stealing, instead of just repeating the fact that you think so again and again?

 

[En_Fuego]

There are laws against pirating, genius.

 

[I)eadnerzhul]

laws against pirating

Proof?

 

[En_Fuego]

Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#Legality

Maybe you should read the whole thread??

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

OMFG ARE YOU PPL RETARTED! Each country has laws against pirating. I have been cought for pirating xbox 360 software for my modded xbox 360 and was sentenced a fine that was a slap on the hand, thank god. How about you look it up. Its not my responsibility to explain why pirating IS stealing because the government (each one almost) has issued laws against it. So its not WHAT I THINK, it what the government tells us.


No one gives 2 cence what you ppl think, if by the some luck you get caught, they dont care what your gona say. You will be screwed. So i don't understand why some members are sideing with a 14 year old who has yet to learn about the way the world works.

 

[reason 3]

Agree with you NoAmmoSrry.

 

[En_Fuego]

OMFG ARE YOU PPL RETARTED! Each country has laws against pirating. I have been cought for pirating xbox 360 software for my modded xbox 360 and was sentenced a fine that was a slap on the hand, thank god. How about you look it up. Its not my responsibility to explain why pirating IS stealing because the government (each one almost) has issued laws against it. So its not WHAT I THINK, it what the government tells us.


No one gives 2 cence what you ppl think, if by the some luck you get caught, they dont care what your gona say. You will be screwed. So i don't understand why some members are sideing with a 14 year old who has yet to learn about the way the world works.

Why are you raging at 'people'. Only one person is disagreeing with you

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

Why are you raging at 'people'. Only one person is disagreeing with you

Raging? lol I am not raging, I just don't like trolls. And hes trollin. Which is a pet peeve of mine. Every one has some kind of pet peeve. mine is ppl who troll, and it pisses me off. :S

 

[Karawasa]

Raging? lol I am not raging, I just don't like trolls. And hes trollin. Which is a pet peeve of mine. Every one has some kind of pet peeve. mine is ppl who troll, and it pisses me off. :S

Lesson one, don't feed the troll.

 

[s4nji]

OMFG ARE YOU PPL RETARTED! Each country has laws against pirating. I have been cought for pirating xbox 360 software for my modded xbox 360 and was sentenced a fine that was a slap on the hand, thank god. How about you look it up. Its not my responsibility to explain why pirating IS stealing because the government (each one almost) has issued laws against it. So its not WHAT I THINK, it what the government tells us.


No one gives 2 cence what you ppl think, if by the some luck you get caught, they dont care what your gona say. You will be screwed. So i don't understand why some members are sideing with a 14 year old who has yet to learn about the way the world works.

Hahaha! My country don't have rulez liek that, but even it has rulez liek that, No one from the country will know! Because no one from the government knows how to use computer proffesionally, even now, the government here only knows how to use Ms Powerpoint. And what website do they know? Youtube, Yahoo, Facebook, Friendster, google, and other famous websites only.
Even on games shop, all the games (PSP, PS2, PSX, and others) are all Copied, NO ORIGINALS! And the government just let them do that.

 

[Hakeem]

As far as legality goes, I've heard that the downloading is not illegal on the downloaders end. The illegal part is the one providing the download. You're distributing it without permission.

So far as I've heard, anyway.

Well, we still worked for it. Your opinion is that the game sucked, we could hardly care less.

Then screw you. I think it sucked, so I don't want to pay. Not my problem.

Like a bad restaurant, you've learned not to buy from us again, but you still have to pay for the food this time.

You have to pay because feeding you cost them money. A third party providing me a copy does not cause them to spend money on my behalf. They already spent their money to make the product once. I'm not taking from them anything.

People who pirate software aren't heartfelt softees that will sympathize with a company just because it's going bankrupt, they don't give 2 shits.

It's not the ones that don't care that matter. It's the ones that do care. If you don't want them to go under, donate to them so they wont.

Example: World Of Goo. The figure was about 96% in terms of pirated copies, and the independent developers were devastated. I didn't see a rise in sales, did you?

I didn't watch. Tell me though, did they have a donate button?

They all say that, but in the end if the means of acquiring the game for free weren't available to them, they'd have been more likely to buy the game.

For the law to hang on something so unpredictable as an alternate time line, is to me, absurd.

I do not think that an author has the right to make money.

Believe it or not, not everone's nice enough to pay for a game they just got for free, no matter how deserving the company may be. This is because people generally don't give a shit.

I hope they don't mind that nobody makes things for them anymore.

I'm betting they will. They were willing to pay in past. Why not now?

I can deal with idealism, but this level of it is astronomical.

Idealistic? No, I'm being realistic. Piracy is impossible to stop. No matter how much you campaign, no matter how much you police it, no matter the government, it will not stop. The cost it would take stop stop it is astronomical. Simply put, it is not worth it.

As a businessman, I realize this. Now I must run my company in such a way that I can stay afloat in this free world. I have to minimize expenses, and find some way to get people to give me money, despite being able to give them copies at zero cost. The best way I see to do this is to work on a donation system. This means I had better do a damn good job of pleasing my customers. If I don't do well enough, they wont donate so I can continue producing stuff.

Another way is thus: Suppose I am Blizzard. As soon as Starcraft II hits the market, exactly one copy will be bought. Everyone else will use a copy of that copy. People want this game and are willing to buy it, but they wont if they can get it for free. The key point though, and we know this from past sales before piracy took over, is that people are willing to buy it. The solution should be obvious. Force people to buy it before you release it. Once you are satisfied with your profits, you can release the game and invest no more money in the product.

internet pirating is nothing like real stealing. you dont see the face of the victim, you will probebly never be punished for it and everyone is doing in. the perfect crime

xD

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Then screw you. I think it sucked, so I don't want to pay. Not my problem.

This is the part where they'd arrest you. Except it's internet piracy and they don't take it seriously, let alone actually find you.

You have to pay because feeding you cost them money. A third party providing me a copy does not cause them to spend money on my behalf. They already spent their money to make the product once. I'm not taking from them anything.

Restaurants need a few bucks to prepare a meal. Game developers need millions to develop a video game. In another culinary analogy, it's like preparing an enormous hamburger for everyone and charging people a few dollars for a small piece of it. If you take a piece and run away, it's still theft.

It's not the ones that don't care that matter. It's the ones that do care. If you don't want them to go under, donate to them so they wont.

None of the pirates care. Or at the very least, the amount that do care is so little that any contributions are rather insignificant and won't make a difference. For those who aren't Pirates, they most likely won't donate because they already bought the game, and that's their way of supporting developers. That leaves people who don't pirate nor buy the games from the developers, which means they don't really care so they won't donate either.

I didn't watch. Tell me though, did they have a donate button?

I don't think so, but they were sort of pleading to the public to encourage people to actually buy the game. Luckily, being an independent developer, the production costs weren't that high since the development team was composed of only 2 people really... so they were able to recover. But that's an isolated case.




Oh, and for the record, I still pirate video games anyway.

lol.

 

[Hakeem]

Game developers need millions to develop a video game.

Not necessarily.

it's like preparing an enormous hamburger for everyone and charging people a few dollars for a small piece of it. If you take a piece and run away, it's still theft.

Except that you don't take the piece. You take a copy of the piece. Literally.

I don't think so, but they were sort of pleading to the public to encourage people to actually buy the game.

I wasn't really following it, but my memory seems to tell me that the game (or an early stage of the game) was out for free. Whatever it was, I'm pretty sure it originated on the internet, before going into stores. If the only way to support the developers was to actually buy a physical copy of the game, that might be all it takes to stop someone from doing so. They already have a copy of the game, they don't need or want another one. You'd also have to go to the store and buy the copy, only to throw it away. It might then make more sense in someone's mind to just give it to some random person at that point, but now it's as if you've passed the "buck of guilt" on to whoever you gave it to. It takes materials and therefore money to make a physical copy, so if there were a donate button, more money could have been collected from "downloaders" than otherwise.

There are, always have been, and always will be people willing to pay. You just have to make it convenient or mandatory for them to do so. Donation buttons work.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

League of Legends will be completely free to DL and they will make money off of donations. So in a way Hakeem is right. However, pirating really isn't a good thing no matter how you look at it. People made the product expecting to be paid. When somebody makes food for you, they expect you to pay for it. They would not have made the product if they didn't expect to get paid. Therefore piracy discourages products from being made.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Which reminds me that I really want to play League of Legends.

 

[Callahan]

Some piracy doesn't hurt as long as there's enought pigeons to actualy buy the product and amortize the cost of production.
If things rly gone bad for the producer then donation is indeed a good solution.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Some piracy doesn't hurt as long as there's enought pigeons to actualy buy the product and amortize the cost of production.
If things rly gone bad for the producer then donation is indeed a good solution.

Some piracy is alright? That sounds really unfair. Who gets to be a pirate, and who doesn't? I'd sure like to get everything free all the time and have others think it's *alright*.

 

[Callahan]

Some piracy is alright? That sounds really unfair. Who gets to be a pirate, and who doesn't? I'd sure like to get everything free all the time and have others think it's *alright*.

Whatever.
Sometimes I pirates sometimes I buy.
Well I most likely buy recent stuff like sc2, I think I'll buy because I don't want to wait the hacked version release and all the pain long download with few chance of success and hight crappiness chance.
While a dl ISO of old games or emulate old gen roms.
It's up to us to decide wether we gotta pirate or not.
If you think it's your turn to pirate and get thing for free go do.
And yeah world is unfair big news.

And anyway if you're not able to fully protect your goods you deserve to be stolen.
We can't be all mens of honor and vertue fortunately or else the world would be boring.
Sometime there's an asshole that steal your stuff and sometime you're the asshole that steal stuff and things get balanced.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Whatever.
Sometimes I pirates sometimes I buy.
Well I most likely buy recent stuff like sc2, I think I'll buy because I don't want to wait the hacked version release and all the pain long download with few chance of success and hight crappiness chance.
While a dl ISO of old games or emulate old gen roms.
It's up to us to decide wether we gotta pirate or not.
If you think it's your turn to pirate and get thing for free go do.
And yeah world is unfair big news.

And anyway if you're not able to fully protect your goods you deserve to be stolen.
We can't be all mens of honor and vertue fortunately or else the world would be boring.
Sometime there's an asshole that steal your stuff and sometime you're the asshole that steal stuff and things get balanced.

Remember, the world isn't fair.

 

[Numerion]

Well if i buy a game and i dont like it then i wasted some money (no in our country you cant get your money back), so if i want a game then first thing i do is that i download it and if i like it then i buy it...nothing hard...

On the other hand - pirating is bad in one way ,but good in second...

If your familly dont have really much money then you wont buy computer cause even if you have money for computer then you won't have money for games, but if you know that you will pirate games then you will buy the computer (+1 for computer companies) and with some time you will even buy a game (+1 for gaming companies), so obviously the pirating is actually supporting gaming and computer companies...
If you disagree with that , then i understand you because pirating really is bad...

 

[Azeroc]

Well... Dunno If I am illegal... some many years ago hax0red in CS and FPS games. In Wc3 after 2 years of playing used mh, namespoof and etc. Not using now tho.

About pirating, I am torrenter... I have some... 80 games and some 240 videos downloaded. I was pretty happy that I could get Photoshop CS 4 for free xD

 

[Shyhalu]

Anyone trying to make an excuse for it to be ok to pirate something "because they wouldn't buy it anyway" is simply a leech.

There is only one valid excuse for pirating something. And thats the market quality of games not being worth their price, and thats only valid when theres no demo available.

A price tag of 50 bucks is not a guarantee of quality anymore, because the market has become so saturated with garbage games that have little quality (Some only having good graphics) that we use to see in games.

I pirated as well as buy. I am not ashamed of it, nor try to make any excuse other than many of the games turned out to be garbage with no depth put into them.

Software pirating is a neccessary evil until the market for software learns its true pricetag and stops over inflating it.

If you make a crap game, you put a low price tag on it, not trump it up and advertise it as a high quality game.

I've recently purchased 2 games via digital download, both for $10 bucks each. One of them is utter crap, the other one was good. I'm not angry at either, but I would be pretty damn pissed if the crappy one I bought cost me 50 bucks.

 

[Joss]

Here, let me explain it to you all who think pirating is okay:

1. If it costs too much for a game you want to buy legally, but the pirated one costs less or is even free, plus the original is WAY over-priced, that makes ILEGALLY downloading or buying it okay! Wrongo! If you cant afford it, then forget about it, or save up! Dont go pirate somethign somebody worked hard to make for people. You're stealign their paycheck, and the livelihoods of more peope lthan you may care to think (dotn think I'm overreacting, if you want proof of this, go check out what heppened to Demigod)

2. Dont assume its legal in any way to justify what you've done. It IS stealing, in more ways than you may think.

3. I'm sick and tired of hearing "But it doesnt hurt anyone". God, smite them now, before I have to throttle 'em! Of course it hurts people! How would liek to be the humble video game developer, tryign to make a living, and you find out somebody is pirating your hard work? Would you think it wasnt hurtign you, because its only a small percentage of your profit? Hell no, you wouldn't!

 

[Azeroc]

Aha... So... You will bow to any law?

Why waste money in these damn econimcal problematic times, if you can get stuff for free... Dude... All prices are like... TRIPLED! In these times. But okay... Go buy stuff, also note that ONE man didn't make a movie or game, groups of people made. And it's not my fault that there ain't Anti-Piracy protections for their products...