[General] Pause vs stun, which one is the best?

[rysnt11]

Which one is the best method to 'pause' unit, stun them, or pause them via trigger?

 

[Adiktuz]

I'm not really sure, they have their own pros and cons...

personally, I try to avoid pause as much as possible... it will depend on the situation, if you need to make sure that the pause will stay, use Pause, since if you use stun and the unit is hit with another stun, the duration of the latest stun will be the one to be used...

 

[mckill2009]

pause has bugs sometimes >>> starts the effect ability >>> pausetriggering unit >>> runs in a timer loop >>>the pause will repeat again....

pause can't be statcked, stun can...

 

[rysnt11]

is there exist another method to 'pause' or stun unit?

 

[mckill2009]

experiment on this >>> Animation - movement/animation speed (i think) >>> set it to zero

 

[rysnt11]

The unit still can attack, move etc 'oddly'...

 

[watermelon_1234]

since if you use stun and the unit is hit with another stun, the duration of the latest stun will be the one to be used...

No, the longer stun duration stays.

I'd just stick with stunning the unit. Pausing has too many issues in my opinion, like pausing buff durations and getting rid of the unit commands.

 

[Adiktuz]

oh, I never noticed that... since when I play, if I stun a unit like for 2 seconds for example then land a bash which stuns for .01 second, the unit gets out of the stun almost instantly...

 

[rysnt11]

Afaik, the second stun is the one that expires (adiktuz's opinion)

 

[watermelon_1234]

I had tested this by using Bash with a 10 second duration and Storm Bolt with 1 second duration. The 10 second duration stayed.

After reading what Adiktuz posted, I did the reverse, Storm Bolt with 10 second duration and Bash with .01 second duration. The 10 second duration still remained.

 

[Adiktuz]

that's new... though I never tried it with SB, only with AoE stuns... anyway if that's the recent finding then its the standard... ^_^

 

[Aeroblyctos]

I always make a dummy unit that casts a storm bolt. Of course the unit and the missile is invisible.

That way I can check if the enemy unit is stunned and I can use some other tricks...

 

[defskull]

pause can't be statcked, stun can...

5 seconds Storm Bolt and 5 seconds Bash cannot have a 10 seconds of stun to the unit, right ?
It is indeed, unstackable lol

But, if it is to compare with 1 second stun and 5 second stun, it will take the longest duration of stun and be applied to the unit (based on watermelon's research and of course, this theory must be applied when the unit is stunned, upon being stun (stun him, when he has the buff of stun))

 

[mckill2009]

what I mean is the 'last' stun will prevail...

10 seconds storm bolt can be overwritten by the last one...

10 seconds pause can be unpause by the first one...

 

[defskull]

What about you stun a unit having 5 seconds Storm Bolt then at the last second (the stun duration will expire in 1.5 second), another stun (3 seconds) has been landed on that unit.

What will happen ?
Do the 3 seconds reset the stun duration or it will have an increase or it will just stays at 1.5 second stun expiration time?

 

[mckill2009]

never tested different durations but Im sure that the 'last' stun will prevail if the duration is the same...

 

[defskull]

Because in DotA, if you make use of this wisely, you can pretty much control the tides of battle and gank, really.

I really need to know this

 

[watermelon_1234]

I'll make it clearer what I've meant.

The stun duration that takes place will always be the stun duration that is longer. So in defskull's case, the 3 second stun duration would take place because 3 > 1.5 (It doesn't matter what duration the stun started with).

 

[rysnt11]

Soo..., which one is the best?, i want to make a spell that need one of 'stun vs pause'

 

[Bannar]

Stun is better, simpler, and less complicated (there are far less issues with it), plus if you manipulate your scripting a bit you can always make is stack able.

 

[defskull]

Stun also has a buff, which you can play with it under Buff action OR the Boolean Comparison.
Pretty much you can manipulate it very well

 

[Magtheridon96]

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[rysnt11]

Mags: um, i asking for another method to use in gui