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Discussion in 'Latest Updates and News' started by Mythic, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. Kyrbi0

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    This is a fascinating new addition to the Hive, & I think I largely approve of it. I'm not sure how much I would personally benefit/submit to it, but still.

    I do think we should be hearing from the Guys In Charge about some of the questions you guys are raising, though (as opposed to guessing).
     
  2. Nudl9

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    All my melee maps show up under open source and when i didn't tag them.
    The original thread text says open source and free to edit.
    It should be more clear cut and dry imo, separate the two.

    There are some melee maps that i've invested a large amount of time into that i wouldn't want edits of because it undermines my work. But i wouldn't mind sharing work that i don't care about.

    If we have this option it should be tagged by the creator, not by default.
    A cutoff could be implemented where all maps that aren't updated after 5 years are open.
    Sort of how ips become public property after 50 years.
     
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  3. Himperion

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    I could put it on 2 or 3 years of inactivity and being imposible to locate even with mediums or smoke signals, the inmediate future looks like we're going to live a second age of broken patches,so 24 months of a broken map in the archive is reasonable.
     
  4. P-Exodus

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    I think it's a cool addition, I've added my already open source version of Battle Tanks to this category.

    I've made it open source because I knew I wouldn't have time and motivation to work on the map anymore. My hope was that someone make something useful out of it. Several people contacted me over the years, because they used the map and wanted to do something with it. One of them started releasing regular updates to his own version of the map ... he is now the offical mapper of BT.

    Without the move to open source (at least that one version), the community and map would now be long dead. But right now we have a community that is still active after about 15 years, even with another iteration of a league. So I have no doubt that this was absolutely the right choice to make.
     
  5. IcemanBo

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    Join us now and share the software
     
  6. Shar Dundred

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    That sounds like a bug, we're going to look into that.
     
  7. Ralle

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    Ah. Instructions might have been different from the intention of the tag then. I feel like this is on me.

    I did order the staff to tag any open source map, but that definition is quite vague. Open source technically means that the source is accessible (i.e. can be opened in WE). But the tag is clearly targeted more at maps that are free to edit, etc. Open source in its purest sense doesn’t encompass that entitlement.

    We really need a real licensing system. I am sorry if we messed up in some of the tags. I should have been more direct in what it means.

    @Nudl9 can you edit your maps to not contain this tag?
     
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  8. Nudl9

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    I seem to have figured it out.
    The search system uses tags additively, so if i check the tags open source + melee, all melee maps and open source maps show up as well.
    The system seems to work out as intended then.
    I didn't check how the search system worked the first time.
     

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  9. deepstrasz

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    It's a site error. Many maps when uploaded come with that tag on for some reason.
    Of course this is based on author decision. The opening post basically implies that. As I mentioned above, it's a site coding issue, I think.
    You want something like losing intellectual property 70 years after death?
    The problem with that is that no one can become an official editor of such maps because then everyone will have the right to edit. So, as with the 70 years stuff, no one could then say, but it's my map now.
     
  10. Himperion

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    I was answering to a poster saying to open the maps after a 5 years delay. I'm talking about it in a "manteniance clause" way for those maps that get bugged when a new patch appears, and the Owner puffed out of existence and can't do the repairs. In that case, open, repair, upload and wait.

    If the owner still don't give any lifesign after a while, send it to full blow open source and call it day.
     
  11. deepstrasz

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    I'm quite OK with that as long as it's moderated by the staff and the original map thread gets updated.
    That would be disrespectful in the absence of the author though. Fixing and maintaining is one thing, editing quite another.

    We need more map maker and reviewer thoughts in here.
     
  12. Nudl9

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    Open source is great i think.

    I would like another option to allow edits and publish on hive though.

    I spoke earlier about how melee maps would benefit from this and improve melee maps as a whole greatly.
    As people play maps and discover new exploits they can be covered faster with small edits.
    Or maps that suffer in one regard but lack in another.

    Something like a lisence to publish edits of maps.
    Take a look at how w3reforged and how it handles my map.
    All previous versions and edits are listed beneath.
    I spoke with the author of the site and there was promises of a visual branching of different versions.
    It probably never came to fruition though because it's a complex thing to make.
    But i could see something simpler being implemented.
    Like requesting access to publish an edit of a map, which is hosted alongside the original.
    Or just opening pandoras box to everyone if you so choose.
     
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  13. Kyrbi0

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    I love the idea of automatically hosting edits/versions underneath a given map.
     
  14. deepstrasz

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    Sure, only don't force users to download all maps in the map thread under one archive each time like now.