New Computer

[Ghan_04]

Yes, after three years and some change, I finally have a new one.

Here are the specs:

Processor: Intel Core i7 Quad Core @ 2.66Ghz
Memory: 6GB DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drives: 1x 300GB Western Digital Velociraptor, 1x 1TB Western Digital Caviar Green
Optical Drives: 2x CD/DVD Burner, 1x Blu-Ray player
Video Card: 1x nVidia GeForce GTX 295 - 1792 MB RAM
Power Supply: 750W Corsair
Case: Antec 900
Motherboard: Asus P6T
Monitor: 24" Samsung Widescreen

All I really have to say is:

 

[Syth]

Nice comp, how much did you pay for it?

 

[Ghan_04]

Built it myself, $2299 USD.

 

[The_wand_mirror]

Holy crap, the best atm =/

295 GTX -.-

i7 Core -.- (Well there is an 3.2 i7 but it's too expensive)

OMG!

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Fortunatly for us, Ghan is unable to play 95% of all games until the new NVIDIA patch arrives.

 

[Adolfukin]

bad computer, go for pentium 233 and 56k net, with 4mb of ram and 16mb hard disk, then you so imba cool

 

[Gilles]

Holy shit, nice stuff Ghan.
I just finished my computer this week too.

Core Duo E8400 3.0GHz
Gskill 4 GB (2x2) DDR2
1 Seagate 500 GB HDD
Sapphire Radeon 4870 DDR5 512MB
PC Power and Cooling - Silencer 610 watts
ASUS P5QL pro (single PCIe x 16 slot)
Antec 300 case
Samsung 22" wide

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, Ghan's got the best, and he paid for the best >.> What a knockout price.

I bought my mid-high range computer for a little over a thousand bucks. Getting high-end will cost you over 2 grand, going with pre-built gaming PC's will result in you getting raped up the ass by Voodoo or Alienware and paying 6-8 grand for a computer that will be obsolete by next year.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Awesome rig, pretty insane price though.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Holy shit, nice stuff Ghan.
I just finished my computer this week too.

Core Duo E8400 3.0GHz
Gskill 4 GB (2x2) DDR2
1 Seagate 500 GB HDD
Sapphire Radeon 4870 DDR5 512MB
PC Power and Cooling - Silencer 610 watts
ASUS P5QL pro (single PCIe x 16 slot)
Antec 300 case
Samsung 22" wide

I would have preffered to get a Q6600 instead of an E8400, but nice rig nonetheless.

Ghan, on the other hand, all i have to say is you're lucky....

I'm planning on building my new rig soon, within the next 3 months or so, and here are my specs as of now.

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB
Mobo: EVGA 123-YW-E175-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI ATX
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX 620W
RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB
Video Card: EVGA Nvidia Geforce 285 GTX, with a 9500 GT plugged in to run as a dedicated GPU for PhysX.
Hard Drive: 500GB Seagate Barracuda

 

[Gilles]

I bought my mid-high range computer for a little over a thousand bucks. Getting high-end will cost you over 2 grand, going with pre-built gaming PC's will result in you getting raped up the ass by Voodoo or Alienware and paying 6-8 grand for a computer that will be obsolete by next year.

Yeah, I don't understand alieware and whatnot. They can't be much better than what Ghan built, but they cost three times as much? Do they run like three 295 cards?

 

[Deathcom3s]

Yeah, I don't understand alieware and whatnot. They can't be much better than what Ghan built, but they cost three times as much? Do they run like three 295 cards?

No, they just take advantage of people that don't know anything about computers. That, and they've got "fancier" cases, but i really don't like any of their cases.

 

[Gilles]

Poor people. I know someone that bought a $4000 alien ware.
The cases are often ugly, I like my plain minimal case.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Poor people. I know someone that bought a $4000 alien ware.
The cases are often ugly, I like my plain minimal case.

Indeed, i like my case, nice, sleek, and simple.

 

[brad.dude03]

And for the love of christ, if you want a nice case then just buy your own. They don't run over 300 bucks in most cases, and that's for a REALLY nice one.

 

[Gilles]

And for the love of christ, if you want a nice case then just buy your own. They don't run over 300 bucks in most cases, and that's for a REALLY nice one.

At $300 I expect water cooling included.

So I took the best Alienware, which was $6,400, and I compared it with parts from Newegg. I could build the same thing for $4,000. Although mine didn't have water cooling, so you can tack on a couple hundred more for that.

But at that price, you're wasting your money. That included two 295 gpu cards, and two solid state HDDs (256x256). Who the hell needs that?

 

[PurplePoot]

I don't see the point of spending 2.5k on a computer soon before you plan to move out (at which point a desktop is rather inconvenient), but maybe that's just me.

 

[brad.dude03]

Water cooling is such a massive waste of money too.

It's incredibly expensive to buy and maintain, plus there's the possibility that it could go wrong and get your computer very, very wet.

And on top of it all 9 times out of 10 it's entirely unnecessary. You'd be AMAZED how much overclocking you can do with a decent air cooling. My stock CPU fan for example can handle a processor running up to 3.4 GHZ.

Seriously, screw that. Air cooling, ftw. Water cooling is like Alienware, it's another showboating thing that identifies people that don't know jack about computers.

 

[Gilles]

Water cooling is such a massive waste of money too.

It's incredibly expensive to buy and maintain, plus there's the possibility that it could go wrong and get your computer very, very wet.

And on top of it all 9 times out of 10 it's entirely unnecessary. You'd be AMAZED how much overclocking you can do with a decent air cooling. My stock CPU fan for example can handle a processor running up to 3.4 GHZ.

Seriously, screw that. Air cooling, ftw. Water cooling is like Alienware, it's another showboating thing that identifies people that don't know jack about computers.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they don't know jack. Generally they know a lot about computers in my experience, they just like having complicated overpowered stuff.

 

[brad.dude03]

Well, they don't know jack about money then.

It's total overkill.

 

[Samuraid]

....and here are my specs as of now.

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB
Mobo: EVGA 123-YW-E175-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI ATX

FYI, your CPU (LGA1366) won't fit in that motherboard (LGA775). Thankfully, there are a lot of great X58 motherboards from which to choose.

And Ghan, congratulations! That is a fine computer indeed.

 

[Megafyr]

I'm gonna steal it you bastard.

 

[Deathcom3s]

FYI, your CPU (LGA1366) won't fit in that motherboard (LGA775). Thankfully, there are a lot of great X58 motherboards from which to choose.

haha, i just noticed that, what a stupid noob mistake. thanks for telling me.

 

[Ghan_04]

Well I felt the need to revive this since it is relevant. I have upgraded some stuff on my computer.

- New CPU Cooler - I have now overclocked my CPU to 3.3Ghz on a Zalman air cooler.
- New Intel SSD (80GB)
- Windows 7 on said new SSD


I am really liking how fast Windows 7 is compared to how Vista was. Part of this may be the processor, but I think the OS is actually the biggest portion. If you are thinking about upgrading to Windows 7, then I would have nothing to say against the idea. It is quite nice.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Yes, after three years and some change, I finally have a new one.

Here are the specs:

Processor: Intel Core i7 Quad Core @ 2.66Ghz
Memory: 6GB DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drives: 1x 300GB Western Digital Velociraptor, 1x 1TB Western Digital Caviar Green
Optical Drives: 2x CD/DVD Burner, 1x Blu-Ray player
Video Card: 1x nVidia GeForce GTX 295 - 1792 MB RAM
Power Supply: 750W Corsair
Case: Antec 900
Motherboard: Asus P6T
Monitor: 24" Samsung Widescreen

All I really have to say is:

I just noticed this, and I thought i7 was Intel's high-end processors (along with the other iX), but from what I can tell, it's rather slow on the clock. There's probably a benefit though, 'cause it costs way more than mine (which I bought one and a half year ago), which is an Intel Q9550 @2.83GHz (standard clock).

Anyway, nice rig, and I've got the same PSU - and I must say it delivers! Also thinking of upgrading to Win7, but I just haven't got around to it yet.

 

[Oziris]

I don't really see the point of this computer, it's too good. IMO, you only need the 295GTX if you have a 1920x1080p res monitor. If you don't, you wasted money. I have a 265GTX Golden Sample on a 1080p resolution and running everything on maximum (AA is 8x) with a 60fps, the games like crysis or world in conflict go down to 25fps (sometimes, normally around 35fps), but i don't mind it.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

I don't really see the point of this computer, it's too good. IMO, you only need the 295GTX if you have a 1920x1080p res monitor. If you don't, you wasted money. I have a 265GTX Golden Sample on a 1080p resolution and running everything on maximum (AA is 8x) with a 60fps, the games like crysis or world in conflict go down to 25fps (sometimes, normally around 35fps), but i don't mind it.

First, he does have a 1920x1200 resolution (24"). Second, some people do mind if the FPS on games drop below the hertz of your screen, ie 60FPS is the minimum FPS I can tolerate on a 60Hz display.

 

[Oziris]

It's impossible to get a more then 60fps with a 1080p monitor. I'm often looking at some benchmarks. I never see +40fps on Crysis, all tough crysis is a shit of a game, for me. I'm just saying, every game i played with my graphic runs great (Necrovision,Oblivion(High resolution textures) Gothic 3, Overlord II, Mirror's Edge, L4D, Assassin creed, LOTR conquest, Batman Arkham Asylum etc..). No need for a 295gtx.Tough if your planing on using the graphic for 5 years, then yes.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Are you kidding me? Of course it's possible to get higher FPS, but basically, it won't show because your monitor (unless more than 60Hz) won't be able to render it that fast. I'll check my FPS in Crysis right now and get to it.. just 'cause I got curious.

 

[Oziris]

Yea, my monitor is set to 60Hz. But i don't have an option to set it higher. Anyway, this is getting off topic, sorry.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Aight, you're right.. I can't get it higher than 59.9 without reducing the settings, at MEDIUM I get 120-140 FPS.

 

[BlargHonk]

They got Crysis above 60 FPS at 1900x1200, maximum settings, AA/AF maxed, quad fired HD5870's (impossible with GTX295's)

 

[Deleted member 157129]

They got Crysis above 60 FPS at 1900x1200, maximum settings, AA/AF maxed, quad fired HD5870's (impossible with GTX295's)

Now we're starting to talk expensive.. xD

 

[BlargHonk]

Eh, $1600 for the GPU, $300 for the CPU, $250 for Board, $110 for RAM, $250 for PSU

Hell, Ghan probably could have if he had not gotten an SSD.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

4x HD5870 would be 12000 NoK, which is more than average for a new gaming computer (not the newest of the newest, and not maximum of everything, 'cause then you'd obviously add those four HD5870s as it's the best you get as of right now). If you then put in an i7 (or wait for the i9), prop it up with Raptor HDD(s), Blu-ray DVD-RW, and a HAF 932 case (or perhaps the Stacker) - not to mention a Creative XtremeAudio sound card.. you'd be needing a pretty steady PSU and a good mobo as well, so I think it's safe to assume you'd break the 35000NoK barrier and head on to a price, roughly converted, nearing $7000. If you don't find that rig expensive, then I'm guessing you've got somewhat of a well-paid job.

 

[raid1000]

how can one pay $7000 on a pc?
after a year it will be like you have a stone age pc

 

[PurplePoot]

It's amazing what people (especially gamers) are willing to pay for such things.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Even more amazing how much companies that utilize computers (ie graphical design industry, and generally everyone who makes 3D or 2D art for conception - technical drawings etc) are willing to pay, because they naturally want the newest there is. Though they probably wouldn't go for something like this, as it's obviously more directed at gaming.

 

[BlargHonk]

It wouldn't be 7k, not even close

and Raptors aren't speedy anymore, a Barracuda 7200.12 is only slightly slower, and are 1tb, and each are $80, also, you can't even fit a sound card on, and it won't fit in a HAF932, seeing as how to get 4 dual slot video cards in a case you need 8 expansion slots, instead of the usual 7

So $1600 for video cards, $200 for case, $250 for PSU, $320 for Harddrives (4 in Raid 10), $400 for 2 Blu-Burners, $300 for processor, $400-500 for mainboard

I COUNT $3500! Hell, $4000 if you get an i7975

 

[Deleted member 157129]

You won't get 4x HD5870 for that price, at least not in Norway. If you're lucky you get it for $2000. As for a $300 processor, maybe, but I was talking i7 and it's expensive (at least here).

This monster:
Intel Core™ i7 Quad Processor i7-870
2,93GHz, Socket LGA1156, 8MB, Boxed
Costs: $800

Then you're already up to $2800, add the rest (using your prices, I'm sure you could nudge them all up by about 30% if you'd buy it here, looking at the prices I just checked for GPU and CPU) - $1670, which round up to about $4500. That's the minimum. Then add a screen for $500 (24") .. heck, maybe two if you're a gamer .. and some nifty gaming equipment to around $500 too, and you've just made your minimum $5500 .. depending on your county, and (just noticed) how much, and how fast, RAM you install, I am pretty sure it's easy to make that hit $7000 as of this year.. next year it'll be down to a petty $4000, probably.


Note: I haven't considered compatibility at any stage in this evaluation.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Why the hell would you want 2 bluray burners... Bluray readers are much faster...

Wait till the Geforce 300 are out and see even higher prices with rediculous power.
Ironically, what can one do with all this power.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Even more amazing how much companies that utilize computers (ie graphical design industry, and generally everyone who makes 3D or 2D art for conception - technical drawings etc) are willing to pay, because they naturally want the newest there is. Though they probably wouldn't go for something like this, as it's obviously more directed at gaming.

What do you mean? In the words of [H]; "The i7 continues to blur the line between desktop and workstation."

The i7 is perfect for anything multimedia related (games included), it packs quite a punch for such a relatively low price. "Extreme" editions are there just for the sake of being there. The "extreme" name does not mean extreme performance. Anyone who spends money on an extreme edition has been lied to.

Edit; How's your Antec 900 treatin' ya? I recently got an Antec P183, and i must say, i'm loving it.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

What do you mean? In the words of [H]; "The i7 continues to blur the line between desktop and workstation."

The i7 is perfect for anything multimedia related (games included), it packs quite a punch for such a relatively low price. "Extreme" editions are there just for the sake of being there. The "extreme" name does not mean extreme performance. Anyone who spends money on an extreme edition has been lied to.

Edit; How's your Antec 900 treatin' ya? I recently got an Antec P183, and i must say, i'm loving it.

I was mainly referring to the 4x HD5870, I guess there are more suited cards for artistic purposes - modelling etc. Not that you don't need as expensive cards, but I'm just guessing there are other, good alternatives. Besides, it seems most such companies swear on using Macs.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Workstation cards are different from Gaming cards. Workstation cards have much higher vertex capabilities, able to do 100s of thousands of triangles at once but poorer rendering power (as you tend to use basic views of huge numbers of triangles when making art rather than quality like when gamming).
You also get dedicated non real time rendering GPUs for actually rendering models at high quality.

Thus gamming and work are separate, for now as with DX11/OpenCL that may soon change.

 

[BlargHonk]

This monster:
Intel Core™ i7 Quad Processor i7-870
2,93GHz, Socket LGA1156, 8MB, Boxed
Costs: $800

The 870 is a ripoff, it doesn't have much more power than an i7 920, which is infact $279 here


And Super Good, guess what, overkill is already upon us (goodbye Quad-fired 5870's, two of these are $400 cheaper)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103088

They didn't feel like calling it the HD5870X2, so HD5970 works.

This definitely isn't a $5 footlong.

 

[Dr Super Good]

That is not overkill, the geforce 300 series will have 1 billion more transistors per core and nearly 50% more memory buss width.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

The 870 is a ripoff, it doesn't have much more power than an i7 920, which is infact $279 here


And Super Good, guess what, overkill is already upon us (goodbye Quad-fired 5870's, two of these are $400 cheaper)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103088

They didn't feel like calling it the HD5870X2, so HD5970 works.

This definitely isn't a $5 footlong.

Apparently, the US operates with prices half of what we have to pay here. So basically, you can cut the price I estimated down to 50%, making it a rig for $3500 in US, while $7000 in Norway.

 

[BlargHonk]

That is not overkill, the geforce 300 series will have 1 billion more transistors per core and nearly 50% more memory buss width.

Blarghonk facepalms

Ok Supergood, lets take the HD4890 and the GTX275, the 275 has a 448 bus width and has 1.4 Billion transistors

The HD4890 has a 256 bus width and 959 million transistors, well Hmmmm, equal speed on them


Hell, a Superclock HD4890 vs GTX285, 512 bit bus, 1.4 billion transistors vs the 256 bus and 959 million transistors

Equal yet again.


Bus width and transistor count aren't the only factors


Also, Shiik, this is why I do not like Norway.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The geforce 300 also has massive low level thread support allowing for even more tasks to be programmed to use the graphic card, on top of that it is believed to have higher floating point power than ATIs top range single cards.

 

[BlargHonk]

>.<

I am not going to use my GPU to calculate anything, that feature is useless for gaming.

Believed is a key word, and I do not doubt that the GT300 will be powerful, I just don't think it will be efficient or run cool.