Modeling program

[Dionesiist]

Guessed, I think it looks complicated just because I'm too used to Vertex Modifier -_-'

 

[BlinkBoy]

It looks like 3dsmax, so it's fine. I think is a lot easier that way.

Btw until now which will be the mesh editing tools in uyour TO-Do list?

I imagine that: Extrude, Bevel, Collapse, Cut, Mirror, Weld, Target Weld and Edit triangulation are the priority.

 

[DesKaladA]

Heay Gessued

would i be albe to get the source code
and now that there is smoteing more tangible i can start writing infracace data/ images

 

[Mechanical Man]

Guessed, I think it looks complicated just because I'm too used to Vertex Modifier -_-'

You just can't learn anything that isn't a incomprehensible gibberish, do you?

Maybe even i would take use of it for minor model editing.

 

[Guessed]

Deskalada: What exactly do you want to do? The interface in terms of the buttons and panels and layouts is already done, except I guess for some yet-to-be-known button graphics.

Blinkboy: Animating is the next thing; I'm going to leave mesh editing alone until all the other main parts have some start. What are collapse and edit triangulation? Mirror and extrude will probably be at the top of my list.

 

[Dionesiist]

You mentioned a chamfer edge option once (for warforger though but still..).

 

[BlinkBoy]

Blinkboy: Animating is the next thing; I'm going to leave mesh editing alone until all the other main parts have some start. What are collapse and edit triangulation? Mirror and extrude will probably be at the top of my list.

let me show you.

First Collapse

1º

2º with edges and polygons.

Edit triangulation is more of a concept (a tool in edit poly too, but wc3 uses meshes)

Instead for editing triangulation, we use the tool turn:

 

[General Frank]

I feel something awesomely succesful there. I hope that this programm will be free-ware.

 

[DesKaladA]

i mean as in the refining and makeitng it eayser to use for a beginner
because currenlty its not that nice looking

and thats what we agreed on? remember?

 

[wugiboy]

woot anims? hurray!! I hope it won't be as fucked as warshape is..
and afterwards, work on the UV mapping thats as good as the ones in 3dsmax

 

[DesKaladA]

winkboy,

all uv maps needs is a unrap button some basic paint commands and the abilty to move roate sacle points and its good

 

[Elenai]

And mabye mirror.

 

[Guessed]

I'll probably do an unwrap thing eventually.

Blinkboy: I will definitely have those two things, those just aren't the names I know them as.

General Frank: I won't be charging anything for it.

Deskalada: What is wrong with the interface that you would change? I'm probably going to post the source code when I release a version, but I don't want to have multiple version running around before then.

Here a screenshot of animating. (Only the bottom right one is showing as an animation window.) You can see that the selected joint is highlighted red, and that all the joints are hard to see. I am open to suggestions for making that view less confusing. I have all the bones showing because it would be bad to have them get covered by surrounding geometry, but that makes for kind of a lot of stuff on the screen. I'm already hiding all the stuff that doesn't have any move/rotation/scale keys.

 

[BlinkBoy]

Ok, well suggestions time.

I suggest that for the helpers and bones you use dots, but colored in different colors, and make the color relate to it's bone name. OR, you could make boxes for them to be selectable.

About animation, I think you should stick the 3dsmax way. Let me give you an example[`wait a time for the image to load]:

As you can see max allows you to use autokey, for animating any transformations that you do in the interval. You also may had notice the transform table, which allowed you to insert the values you want (good for rotating 90,180,45,etc degrees); and ofcourse the key copy tool, which allows you to copy the objects position/rotation/scale in a certain frame and paste it over another(good for looping animations). About the objects, don't pay them attention I don't think you'll use IK in your tool.

I also suggest that you implement this view tools for meshes, it could clean up lots of things:

 

[wugiboy]

great stuff!

might I suggest something like adding and placing bones and that vertices can also be assigned with it?

 

[DesKaladA]

Guessed It's kinda plain and dosen't use Mofion or system look and feel

 

[Dionesiist]

I think I'll be sticking to Warforger for my animating needs..

 

[Guessed]

I got the skeleton showing more reasonably. The red means selected.

 

[DesKaladA]

nice will this also support diffrent bone stylels

 

[BlinkBoy]

very good, does it animate in bezier and hermite already? or still uses only linear?

 

[Guessed]

It doesn't modify animations at all yet. It does show bezier and hermite.

 

[BlinkBoy]

Nice, it would be nice to make it support IK, but well I don't think it would be easy to implement, you would also need to create a new format for IK Scenes.

 

[Daedin]

Wow this project looks awesome, waiting for a release to test it out =)

 

[Guessed]

It would be neat to support IK, and I don't think a really simple 2-joint sort of thing would be too hard. I did an IK thing with a leg once (not related to MDXs), with rotating the knee and the hip to get the foot to the right place. That ability alone would make walks a lot easier to make. It wouldn't need any special rigging data, either. There could just be an "IK Move" tool or something, and it would rotate the two joints hierarchically above the moved one in order to move it, and maintain its current orientation.

Anyway, here is some progress. I have the animation bar showing up and clickable, and it appearing to be 30 fps to the user. Clicking play also works. You can create and edit movement keys. Doing the same for rotation is being a huge headache.

Blinkboy, what program did you use to make that screen recording of you doing stuff in 3ds max?

 

[DesKaladA]

its looking good so far

i also hope that you add scratch modeling support
and the ability to make extended primitives

 

[BlinkBoy]

It would be neat to support IK, and I don't think a really simple 2-joint sort of thing would be too hard. I did an IK thing with a leg once (not related to MDXs), with rotating the knee and the hip to get the foot to the right place. That ability alone would make walks a lot easier to make. It wouldn't need any special rigging data, either. There could just be an "IK Move" tool or something, and it would rotate the two joints hierarchically above the moved one in order to move it, and maintain its current orientation.

Anyway, here is some progress. I have the animation bar showing up and clickable, and it appearing to be 30 fps to the user. Clicking play also works. You can create and edit movement keys. Doing the same for rotation is being a huge headache.

Blinkboy, what program did you use to make that screen recording of you doing stuff in 3ds max?

Just in case this is pretty much how IK must look like. And I think you'll need a new format for people who will want to save their IK rigg.

and It's also very important that IKs have a swigel angle. It's very important because if the program does not compute correctly the IK, you need to fix it.

I used Cantasia Studio 5 btw, and 123 AVI to GIF Converter 3.0. For optimizing GIFs I use Adobe Image Ready and for doing simple edits I use Easy Gif Animator 4.1

 

[wugiboy]

any updates mate?

 

[Guessed]

I am back at college, and so progress is slower. In order to get some sort of release out, I think I might add a few more simple modeling tools, release that, then work on the animation.

 

[DwarfZealot]

yeah dude i would love to see this completed and/or a beta release