MineralZ 1.55(f)

[EarthSouvenir]

when the next update comes out?

 

[evilminion2]

well i saw somone host 1.14 today so i guess now? waint.... 1.14 not 1.4..... DERP! ignore me XD

 

[Zeatherann]

Yes, 1.3 is current version. I'd imagine Maddeem only hosts bleeding edge versions in a private game with his friends and they don't rehost it. This is what I do with my maps when I test. 1.14 is really old lol.
Out of curiosity, what major and/or game breaking changes are being made to 1.4?

 

[Darnassus]

You mean the sixth boss? Spoilers -River Song.

Look up a dozen or so posts to see, unless it was a public message between Maddeem and I, in which case look on Maddeem's profile's public comments. Lastly I could've said it to Maddeem in PM, in which case ask him.

I know what wave 60 is, but not sure when someone said 61+ to 70.

 

[maddeem]

1.35 is commin'

 

[monkeyboy15]

1.35 is commin'

Say whuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?

 

[Darnassus]

Holy hellfire, wring my horns and brand me. That sounds awesome Maddeem! ;x

Don't forget to add where Host can pick whether to allow all players to vote difficulty, or if Host can select it him/her self.

 

[Strikest]

Man I liked the old block rocks better, why'd you replace them to the ugly wc3 rocks?

 

[Darnassus]

Man I liked the old block rocks better, why'd you replace them to the ugly wc3 rocks?

Someone's not been observant enough! ;d

Try look again.

 

[geoffrey]

omfg new v coming O.O <3,
anyway pls fix the lamp upgrade,
such a cheap upgrade (10.10.10.10) and it takes like 2 minutes to upgrade :/
anyway keep up the good work love the map

 

[Zeatherann]

Maddeem, I'm working on a new iteration of my terrain generator to use cluster based generation. Once this is done I hope that I could join you on this project. This assumes that vJASS can be removed from the project, which as of the last unprotected version you've given me is completely possible.

 

[evilminion2]

Maddeem, I'm working on a new iteration of my terrain generator to use cluster based generation. Once this is done I hope that I could join you on this project. This assumes that vJASS can be removed from the project, which as of the last unprotected version you've given me is completely possible.

im sorry i have only started actualy mapmakeing last month (evin after owning wc3 for like 5-7 years(and playing bnet for a year)) i have no idea what vJASS evin is, can somone enlighten this noob o.o also im always willing to help test, i quite frequintly find gliches bugs and abuses for things bee it by luck or thery

 

[Darnassus]

im sorry i have only started actualy mapmakeing last month (evin after owning wc3 for like 5-7 years(and playing bnet for a year)) i have no idea what vJASS evin is, can somone enlighten this noob o.o also im always willing to help test, i quite frequintly find gliches bugs and abuses for things bee it by luck or thery

It's just another scripting syntax, that's all. ;d

 

[maddeem]

Maddeem, I'm working on a new iteration of my terrain generator to use cluster based generation. Once this is done I hope that I could join you on this project. This assumes that vJASS can be removed from the project, which as of the last unprotected version you've given me is completely possible.

Yeah man, I'm down for that. It's been a while since I've developed with someone else.

 

[Darnassus]

Maddeem, I always wondered, is that a gorgeous little Zergling trying to om nom it's way through a sweet sugary rock shield? <3 <3 <3

 

[evilminion2]

i was wondering if it was a zerg builder trying to mine

 

[evilminion2]

hmm that remindes me of something... thare really needs to be something for players to do in the event of a death, like maby evin a small minigame or controlling a mini zerg or somethin, its rather boreing if your playing a public game with friends and some noob tunnels into your base, opening up a path for the zerg, AND you got to wait for your friends to finish to rmk or play something elec

 

[Zeatherann]

Maybe revival?

 

[afk_dnd]

have noticed that collection speed have breakpoints:
lvl0=5.25s
lvl1=4.5s
lvl2=3.5s
lvl3=lvl4=3s
lvl5=2.5s
lvl6=2.25s
lvl7=lvl8=lvl9=2s
lvl10=lvl11=...=lvl16=1.5s
lvl17=lvl18=...=lvl25=1s
it means upgrade from 2s to 1.5s cost lvl8+9+10=1584, from 1.5s to 1s cost lvl11+12...17=16471, all higher upgrades is a loss
(version 1.3)

 

[Zeatherann]

Yes, this is called an exponential function, or in game terms; Diminishing Returns, or in game programming terms; A Soft Cap. I tend to not go much past rank 10.

 

[afk_dnd]

Y, lowering profit we can see in this lvl^3, np with this. I just want to say if u going to upgrade mining speed for lvl 13 , u just get 1.5s, not 5/(1+13*0.25)=1.17s, this way u lost 4059 enzimium, this not so hard to gather so much, but it's useless. (sry, my english not so well, i hope u can understand)

 

[Darnassus]

Spam.

^-- The above is spam.

....^-- Also spam.

 

[evilminion2]

thats not spam.... that is (i hope the insert image thing works) nope gnore this post XD

 

[kreactor]

Hi, new to the map and the forum, I really love the map and was wandering how can you increase the amount a droid mines?

 

[Zeatherann]

Droid mines can't be increased in number as they are limited to being placed on mineral nodes. There is a good number of mineral nodes. Unless you are talking about the amount of minerals they give which is indeed needed to be changed to a comparable level with manual mining rates (mayhaps 25% of manual rate?).

 

[kreactor]

Droid mines can't be increased in number as they are limited to being placed on mineral nodes. There is a good number of mineral nodes. Unless you are talking about the amount of minerals they give which is indeed needed to be changed to a comparable level with manual mining rates (mayhaps 25% of manual rate?).

Thanks for the answer but I was actually talking about the small robots you buy in the credit shop (sorry for the misunderstanding)

 

[Zeatherann]

Ah, those are very useful. Even only five is powerful. It's a shame about the really high, increasing cost of them as well.

 

[evilminion2]

thayre good early on but by the time you get them reserched, unless you mob them thayre almost useless. thayre good tho for foucasing enzyneum for speed tho while you get others for more inportant things

 

[Zeatherann]

I get all five every game asap lol. They are very useful. I'd only suggest Maddeem looks at the mineral carrying capacity of the droids, I think he's dividing wrong.

 

[evilminion2]

i try to get it asap aswell but A) it takes along time to reserch B) its hard to split time mineing each mineral and split it up for walls basic towers and ect and C) its expencive.

also i may have discoverd a bug, i built alot of tesla towers (my normal strat) and only the ones near the attacking one funeld the attack into it not all of them down the chain, im not shure if that was entenchinaly added for people with tesla spam strat or not but i had wasted some 2-3k mineralz on teslas only to have those few do ainything.

 

[Zeatherann]

It's to reduce that strat's power as well as lag.

 

[evilminion2]

*sigh* gona miss it then. its handy for those anoying air. i used to build a 360 wall of em around my base and be protected from all sides...

(remembers the time he 1 shot the final boss on easy with them) good times.... good times....

 

[Zeatherann]

To sound like a broken record; All tooltips need to be iterated over to make sure they are correctly typed. This includes text color (if any), as well as costs, hotkeys, and most importantly the missing attack information that can be found on the melee tooltips (|cffffcc00Attacks land and air units.|r).Also, it would be nice to see several end-game strategies to remove any and all balance issues. There shouldn't be a single strat that's stronger than the others (in this case, the old strat of coils).

 

[evilminion2]

ainy knowlage on the progress of the newest ver? (secretly hopes that the bio mech-hybrid has stat gain per level and the bio reserch center actualy has something to do in it) maby as you said it would be required for some end game stuff and upgrades. also i found a bug again i think. when a unit that is mind controlld kills another unit your builder gains exp. maby its not a bug because maddem had it set so builder dosent get stats per level so idk if its a wc3 mechanic or not. just sayin this incase it hasent been found yet

 

[Zeatherann]

Builder Experience Disabling

Maddeem forgot to disable experience gain for the builder. Yes you can disable experience gain for a single hero, it's how Blizzard does it with the campaigns.

• Jass:
  native SuspendHeroXP takes unit whichHero, boolean flag returns nothing
• GUI:
  • Hero - Enable/Disable experience gain for Your_Hero

Note that the GUI function calls the BJ below:

function SuspendHeroXPBJ takes boolean flag, unit whichHero returns nothing
    call SuspendHeroXP(whichHero, not flag)
endfunction

 

[geoffrey]

cant wait any longer!! hurryyyy xd need 1.4 aaargh

 

[evilminion2]

think of it this way... the longer we wait = more time for maddeem has to tinker with the map = better it will be. patient you must be.

 

[Strelok]

Hello !


I started playing this game with a friend a few days ago, and I'm totally having a blast. We have a little problem though, we keep getting slaughtered at wave 30 (the Sludge boss). This lil' fucker keeps shifting through our fortifications and invading our base and killing our poor miners even though we got a shitload of defense. This afternoon we had like more than 15 Inferno Towers upgraded to the last tier, as well as 3 max-leveled Reaper Turrets, fully supplied with a shitload of cores and regenerators. We always pass the 29 others waves without any problem, the waves usually can't even reach our walls before being killed. But this Sludge fucker keeps teleporting around our base and reaching for our characters !

It's a shame since the 29 waves from before are kind of too easy, but this one is overpowered. Is our technique bad ? Is there a special way to defeat this boss ? Special turrets to buy, special buildings.... ?

Thanks in advance for the answer.

 

[evilminion2]

Yea sludge is one of the worst of them in my opinion. It has a passive mana degen aura hiting towers and it makes them not attack the same thing every attack. The mirror image is also annoying but if you know bliz mechanics you can pick out real one with ease. A workaround for the main degen affecting towers foucas... Manually target them with right click. Its got fast regen so you got a keep clicking on it. (Sorry if spelling of words is off, my phones got auto spell corect

 

[Strelok]

Thank you very much for the answer, can you be a bit more specific about the mana debuff please ? Does it actually drain the turrets' mana ?
And second question : do we have to only kill one of the one-billion copies of the boss ? And if so, how can we detect which is the real one ? I'm quite familiar with the Blizz mechanics but I haven't picked up any information about this (I'm each time trying to get my miner to safety instead and can not be focused on all the umpteen-copies' lifebars)

 

[evilminion2]

the copys are mirror images, thay take more damige then the normal one and the fakes deal less damige, but thay still got the anoying hp regen. i beleave (not 100% certan) that the real one cannot phase threw walls when it makes them. and before the night starts, move your miner to as far back away from the wall as posable. you need to kill the real one for the night to end. the mana degen is a aura that does nothing but a trigger is in place that buildings efected by it loose some mana per second ( dont know how much) but sence it requires full mana to attack it causes enough of a delay to make the towers stop, then when it attacks again it will be some random other target. so manualy targeting them with the towers is the best way to kill it. (hope this one helps beter then the last post )

 

[Strelok]

That's great, we're going to try it right away ! We'll try to detect which one is the real one and focus the shit out of it.
Thank you very much for the help !

 

[Darquel]

Is there any way to defeat Night 40 boss without much casualty?

The only time my friends and I have defeated the boss and was in a position to continue playing was when the boss was focused on the walls and our rocket turrets being in range to shoot it down slowly; instead of the boss flying around AoE clearing our base (all our swarms of rocket turrets dedicated to eradicating this boss, followed by the rest of our base by its wormlings as well).

Usually the latter situation occurs and even if we managed to build enough rocket turrets to kill the boss, our base would be in such a state that we would require substantial rebuilding to hold out for longer.

Would appreciate any tips!

 

[Zeatherann]

Dozens of rocket tier 3 turrets, surrounded by regenerators with max tech. I'll admit I haven't played much since adds were added to the boss waves though.

 

[Darquel]

Dozens of rocket tier 3 turrets, surrounded by regenerators with max tech. I'll admit I haven't played much since adds were added to the boss waves though.

Does regenerators actually save the rocket turrets though? It seems to just 1 hit everything except except walls in my various encounters with the boss.

 

[Zeatherann]

When I did it, it helped because they would get two-shot.

Edit: Change the race of all buildings/units to orc, that way the worker has to go inside the building to build it. This removes the jump glitch (mostly) and still allows for order queuing.

 

[UzuStark98]

Is this map abandoned?

Idk it seems like it took way too long for an update?

 

[Zeatherann]

Another Playthrough, Another Suggestions List

First of all, the map is not abandoned, because as soon as Maddeem is done with it I'm going to take over development.Here is a list of bugs and suggestions:

1. The displayed cost for mineral factories is incorrect.
2. Remove the upgrade for mineral capacity and mining spells and replace them with dummy spells. This reduces the number of objects the game has to load, while removing any limit to how high you can go in those researches.
3. Please, follow Blizzard's standard of telling what a unit can attack. This tells players what turrets are good for what units.
4. Also enable thermal turrets (or fission turrets) to also attack air, as there currently is no dual attacking turret.
5. Redesign the waves! Please cut the number of waves in half, making a boss every five waves instead of the current ten. This allows for faster gameplay. You could even slightly increase the time between waves to compensate.
6. Make the waves randomized among a set of types like normal, siege, ranged, and air. Each type can have several different units, one of which is picked for the wave. In order to make this balanced all zerg units should be turned into a hero (or improved with an upgrade) so that they are all at the same level of strength for any given wave. Also, you might want to disallow siege and air waves being picked before the first/second boss (first if you don't half the number of waves, second if you do).
7. Improve the terrain generation slightly by allowing the temple, tel-naga shrine, and other special features to appear anywhere on the map instead of their current corners. You'll have to make sure to put in measures to keep them from spawning in the pathways/center.
8. You should have two sets of walls, one that has normal cost, and the other that has the 50% reduced cost so the map looks cooler with an updating tooltip.
9. The bioengeening facility is shown as able to be built, but the requirements for it can't ever be met. Allow them to be met, or remove the building from the list of buildings the builder can build.

While I know you won't implement all of this (laziness mostly a factor), I hope that you at least address the bugs. It is better to update the map with bug fixes, than it is to add new features and more bugs.

 

[UzuStark98]

Thanks!

First of all, the map is not abandoned, because as soon as Maddeem is done with it I'm going to take over development.Here is a list of bugs and suggestions:

1. The displayed cost for mineral factories is incorrect.
2. Remove the upgrade for mineral capacity and mining spells and replace them with dummy spells. This reduces the number of objects the game has to load, while removing any limit to how high you can go in those researches.
3. Please, follow Blizzard's standard of telling what a unit can attack. This tells players what turrets are good for what units.
4. Also enable thermal turrets (or fission turrets) to also attack air, as there currently is no dual attacking turret.
5. Redesign the waves! Please cut the number of waves in half, making a boss every five waves instead of the current ten. This allows for faster gameplay. You could even slightly increase the time between waves to compensate.
6. Make the waves randomized among a set of types like normal, siege, ranged, and air. Each type can have several different units, one of which is picked for the wave. In order to make this balanced all zerg units should be turned into a hero (or improved with an upgrade) so that they are all at the same level of strength for any given wave. Also, you might want to disallow siege and air waves being picked before the first/second boss (first if you don't half the number of waves, second if you do).
7. Improve the terrain generation slightly by allowing the temple, tel-naga shrine, and other special features to appear anywhere on the map instead of their current corners. You'll have to make sure to put in measures to keep them from spawning in the pathways/center.
8. You should have two sets of walls, one that has normal cost, and the other that has the 50% reduced cost so the map looks cooler with an updating tooltip.
9. The bioengeening facility is shown as able to be built, but the requirements for it can't ever be met. Allow them to be met, or remove the building from the list of buildings the builder can build.

While I know you won't implement all of this (laziness mostly a factor), I hope that you at least address the bugs. It is better to update the map with bug fixes, than it is to add new features and more bugs.

Thanks for reassuring me! I love this map so much as it is and its great to know its still in development.... The things u listed are great! And I hope you will be able to accomplish them.

 

[Darnassus]

First of all, the map is not abandoned, because as soon as Maddeem is done with it I'm going to take over development.Here is a list of bugs and suggestions:

1. The displayed cost for mineral factories is incorrect.
2. Remove the upgrade for mineral capacity and mining spells and replace them with dummy spells. This reduces the number of objects the game has to load, while removing any limit to how high you can go in those researches.
3. Please, follow Blizzard's standard of telling what a unit can attack. This tells players what turrets are good for what units.
4. Also enable thermal turrets (or fission turrets) to also attack air, as there currently is no dual attacking turret.
5. Redesign the waves! Please cut the number of waves in half, making a boss every five waves instead of the current ten. This allows for faster gameplay. You could even slightly increase the time between waves to compensate.
6. Make the waves randomized among a set of types like normal, siege, ranged, and air. Each type can have several different units, one of which is picked for the wave. In order to make this balanced all zerg units should be turned into a hero (or improved with an upgrade) so that they are all at the same level of strength for any given wave. Also, you might want to disallow siege and air waves being picked before the first/second boss (first if you don't half the number of waves, second if you do).
7. Improve the terrain generation slightly by allowing the temple, tel-naga shrine, and other special features to appear anywhere on the map instead of their current corners. You'll have to make sure to put in measures to keep them from spawning in the pathways/center.
8. You should have two sets of walls, one that has normal cost, and the other that has the 50% reduced cost so the map looks cooler with an updating tooltip.
9. The bioengeening facility is shown as able to be built, but the requirements for it can't ever be met. Allow them to be met, or remove the building from the list of buildings the builder can build.

While I know you won't implement all of this (laziness mostly a factor), I hope that you at least address the bugs. It is better to update the map with bug fixes, than it is to add new features and more bugs.

Tesla Tower attacks air. :c
And the Bioengineering building can be built, it just has no upgrades in it yet to be used.