MineralZ 1.55(f)

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Date: 2012/Jul/07 20:56:33

Comment: [Approved]

• Give "Collect Mineralz" a passive icon
• Add a newbie quest with all the important info

Resource Moderation - Rules

 

[Tonex]

Yay special thanks. For some reason, I can only rate a two on this phone.

 

[ImperialShadow]

For some reason,im not include lol.Anyway nice map and my friends enjoy it very much.

 

[sonofjay]

YEY MINERALZ IS OUT!!! HEEP HEEP! HURRAY!!!

5/5 my friend, and +rep

 

[maddeem]

Thanks for your comments, I'm glad you guys enjoy it

 

[xXxMKDxXx]

I have to comment..... to RATE .... indeed_D.
No comment just 5/5

 

[Brambleclaw]

With the recent updates 4/5 A lot better now but i still don't find much replayability factor in the actual concept. I had that problem with the Sc2 one as well .

 

[Schamanu]

Im a huge fan of Mineralz on SC2 (playing both versions). Thus i had to try this map. I encountered some problems though. 1st: could you give saphirum a darker model, for me it was hard to distinguish it from diamonite (maybe i just need to get used to the crystals). 2nd: i think there should be more rocks and rocks should be created closer together to each other, i played this map twice and both times i had a lot of difficulties to "dig" a base (basically there was nothing to dig) because there were so many blank spots that u could never get a base with less than 3 entrances ( and ofc u can hardly defend all 3), 3rd: i dunno how i did it, but in 1 game when i right clicked a crystal to harvest from it, instead of harvesting i attacked the crystal and it was destroyed and removed, i tryed to harvest several times from different crystals but all were destroyed.
i hope those issues can be fixed so that even wc3 players can enjoy this nice idea of a map.

Looking forward for new versions and gonna try them out as soon as possible.

 

[Railto]

hm interesting and also i found a bug when mass researching only the first research cost mineralz and the second third fourth and so on doesnt anything and when doing this you can research nonstop without paying mineralz. the lamps are quite bothersome even when they are maxed they are quite crappy it says it have like 950 range but the light is just like 450 range and then its a bit darkier the rest of the range. also when all researchs are maxed its way to easy to kill a mineral source when mining with the worker they should have a higher durability or should leave a damaged mineral that could be restored with a building or something. the tentacles from the young forgotten one boss can easily kill a worker repairing a wall.

 

[maddeem]

Im a huge fan of Mineralz on SC2 (playing both versions). Thus i had to try this map. I encountered some problems though. 1st: could you give saphirum a darker model, for me it was hard to distinguish it from diamonite (maybe i just need to get used to the crystals). 2nd: i think there should be more rocks and rocks should be created closer together to each other, i played this map twice and both times i had a lot of difficulties to "dig" a base (basically there was nothing to dig) because there were so many blank spots that u could never get a base with less than 3 entrances ( and ofc u can hardly defend all 3), 3rd: i dunno how i did it, but in 1 game when i right clicked a crystal to harvest from it, instead of harvesting i attacked the crystal and it was destroyed and removed, i tryed to harvest several times from different crystals but all were destroyed.
i hope those issues can be fixed so that even wc3 players can enjoy this nice idea of a map.

Looking forward for new versions and gonna try them out as soon as possible.

Lol it is absolutely impossible to destroy minerals, unless you mine them to death. Even with "whosyourdaddy" dunno how you encountered this, but if it happens again save the replay.
I will increase the spawn rate of blocks.

2/5 Just didn't do it for me. The menu seemed a bit random the blocks clunky. Some sort of zoomed out camera with decent vision range would be nice. Also the mining system is almost unplayable since you have to manually click back every time. It would be nice if it was triggered- So it was like the Sc2 one of not as annoying as it is right now.

Both your house and the mineral you are mining must be visible when you mine. Otherwise it will try to return harvested material to something that it can't see. I will make it so that it doesn't have to be visible though.

What menu? The dialog? Come now, don't blame me for Blizzard's graphics.
The mining system is triggered. Heavily so. I will add a vision command.

hm interesting and also i found a bug when mass researching only the first research cost mineralz and the second third fourth and so on doesnt anything and when doing this you can research nonstop without paying mineralz. the lamps are quite bothersome even when they are maxed they are quite crappy it says it have like 950 range but the light is just like 450 range and then its a bit darkier the rest of the range

Did you have on "warpten" if not, please produce a replay. I just tried it with "warpten" and it didn't let me spam it lol. I'm sure you had the required mineralz
I would need a model editor to increase the light that the lamps produce, but I don't have one

 

[Brambleclaw]

The menu -- Building menu seemed cluttered. --Also i meant when in vision and in range i had the building next to me in fact. Every time i finished mining ore i had to manually click on the house to return it. It would be nicer if i just started mining ore and i get a +1 +1 Text floating of my head and dissappearing as it went up.

I know you have already triggered the system but it could of be done in a better way without the need for returning it back to the house in such a fashion.

 

[Railto]

yeah i had the required amount of mineralz for all the upgrades but i only had to pay the first onee and no i was playing with my friends. the lights really bother me =-= and bramble there´s no need to manually return the ores to the house the worker just returns the load of X mineral and goes back to the same spot to continue mining and i am working in the replay since i didnt save it *facepalm* and sometimes the worker basic vision at night goes away and everything is black without lamps.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Too difficult before you learn to play, too boring after you have learned to play. But still it is worth a 4/5.

 

[maddeem]

Too difficult before you learn to play, too boring after you have learned to play. But still it is worth a 4/5.

Try it on a harder mode

yeah i had the required amount of mineralz for all the upgrades but i only had to pay the first onee and no i was playing with my friends. the lights really bother me =-= and bramble there´s no need to manually return the ores to the house the worker just returns the load of X mineral and goes back to the same spot to continue mining and i am working in the replay since i didnt save it *facepalm*

I tried again to produce the effect with unlimited resources, I spammed away. But it always cost me minerals :S

Also, I updated it. Fixed some minor things, improved how you mine and such

 

[Railto]

try to increase the god dam annoying 50 or 25 range on building factories it takes like 5 tries to build it =-= and why factories doesnt waste mana? once they are charged they stay full mana for forever lol at least some of them.
hm nothing to do when you die and you gotta wait for them to die if your the host ... boring to death right now..
cant get the bug to work lol >_<

 

[Brambleclaw]

yeah i had the required amount of mineralz for all the upgrades but i only had to pay the first onee and no i was playing with my friends. the lights really bother me =-= and bramble there´s no need to manually return the ores to the house the worker just returns the load of X mineral and goes back to the same spot to continue mining and i am working in the replay since i didnt save it *facepalm* and sometimes the worker basic vision at night goes away and everything is black without lamps.

Nope he came back to the house then stopped.

Also couldn't you just increase the sight range of the lamp to compensate?

 

[maddeem]

Nope he came back to the house then stopped.

Also couldn't you just increase the sight range of the lamp to compensate?

Try newest version.

 

[Chief_Of_GxBxL]

The game is unique and fun. I don't know why others didn't find it as good as I thought they would... I was looking forward to the release when I saw the development screenshots. My critique, anyhow: in response to what you said about the difficulty compensating for the "boring-ness" some claim, maddeem, I think that the difficulty only affects the beginning. It's challenging (in a good way) to get a base started on hard/nightmare, single player, as night comes too quickly. But shouldn't the difficulty do things other than just add damage to the monsters? If you can make it past the first night, you're pretty much set. Mineral harvesting comes fast, and with that you can easily max out your generators, re-generators, and walls. I was discouraged when I thought the game would progressively harder, but instead it actually became easier as my 2-member team went along.

Also, the "Dual Core Upgrade" has the wrong green-crystal (emnizium?) value. It says it costs 10, but it's somewhere between 35-65 (didn't record the exact value).

4/5 until some tweaks come into play.

 

[Sheep]

sludges on round 30 won't disappear after the night is over on easy difficulty
but they disappeared halfway through the day

 

[maddeem]

The game is unique and fun. I don't know why others didn't find it as good as I thought they would... I was looking forward to the release when I saw the development screenshots. My critique, anyhow: in response to what you said about the difficulty compensating for the "boring-ness" some claim, maddeem, I think that the difficulty only affects the beginning. It's challenging (in a good way) to get a base started on hard/nightmare, single player, as night comes too quickly. But shouldn't the difficulty do things other than just add damage to the monsters? If you can make it past the first night, you're pretty much set. Mineral harvesting comes fast, and with that you can easily max out your generators, re-generators, and walls. I was discouraged when I thought the game would progressively harder, but instead it actually became easier as my 2-member team went along.

Also, the "Dual Core Upgrade" has the wrong green-crystal (emnizium?) value. It says it costs 10, but it's somewhere between 35-65 (didn't record the exact value).

4/5 until some tweaks come into play.

I appreciate the review, fixed the dual core cost
And yeah, I know the game doesn't really progress in difficulty. Once you got the game down, your kinda set. MineralZ is ever evolving so don't be surprised if you see some major wave changes.

sludges on round 30 won't disappear after the night is over on easy difficulty
but they disappeared halfway through the day

Yeah, sludge's have the ability mirror image. The images will never die unless killed.

 

[Zeatherann]

Fun map, you should change the attack AI though. They target the closest player, or the closest free-pathing player if one exists. It should disperse all the mobs randomly to each player.

Edit: Also there appears to be a memory leak somewhere, possibly within the lightning effect trigger(s)?

 

[bladerdog]

This map is something completely new on wc3 and I like it. Its just it isn t very beginner friendly and the credit shop is limited and not really unique.There is a bug on the 30 th wave where the slugs pass trough blocks . Maybe you can set the option to disable a way gate because the monster can use it to so that all of our bases with way gates get raided if one fails .But at the end it is a really nice map and the only survival/tower defense with a save/load system 9/10 mate.

 

[Sheep]

yeah.. i got owned on wave 30 when the sludges went through the wall and the other person i played with left after that:/

 

[Kusanagi Kuro]

Can u tell me how to beat the Boomer? My friends and I build many towers to defence the boss level. And then the Boomer blows all of them into air. May be u should reduce the damage of the explosion or give the tower magic registance. Anyway, although I havent played this map in Starcraft II but I must say it's extremly interesting.

 

[Sheep]

you should change suggested players to 3-11 because swarm is the 12th player

 

[linazas]

Nice map, I haven't found any bugs it's looks like kodo tag map, very fun 4/5

 

[maddeem]

Well sludges are meant to shift through the blocks whenever they are attacked. I think it is quite fun to see an enemy behave as the sludges though.

you should change suggested players to 3-11 because swarm is the 12th player

Will do

Maybe you can set the option to disable a way gate because the monster can use it to so that all of our bases with way gates get raided if one fails .But at the end it is a really nice map and the only survival/tower defense with a save/load system 9/10 mate.

I have noticed that myself, waygates can be a luxury and a curse. If your walls go down and they are headed for a waygate, set the waygates target to itself. Or sell it.

Fun map, you should change the attack AI though. They target the closest player, or the closest free-pathing player if one exists. It should disperse all the mobs randomly to each player.

Edit: Also there appears to be a memory leak somewhere, possibly within the lightning effect trigger(s)?

They do indeed go to the closest target
But i assure you that nothing leaks in MineralZ

 

[Sheep]

the sludges on wave 30 can make their mirror image inside our base
is wave 40 the end? because after wave 40 no more monsters spawns.. i had my food on 43/40 before i left
and i'm sure one of the queens somehow destroyed a block in my base
those mind control towers are really op i survived most of the waves with their help

 

[maddeem]

the sludges on wave 30 can make their mirror image inside our base
is wave 40 the end? because after wave 40 no more monsters spawns.. i had my food on 43/40 before i left
and i'm sure one of the queens somehow destroyed a block in my base
those mind control towers are really op i survived most of the waves with their help

Yeah they are op... I think I'm gunna nerf em
Yeah wave 40 is the end. For different modes I'm going to add more waves.

 

[Sheep]

you should make it end then.. with a victory screen or say the game will end in 60 seconds or something

 

[linazas]

My record is 17 night

 

[Sheep]

one of my walls couldn't get closed even though i was right next to it.. had to sell it and rebuild.. but it happened each time i tried to open that wall but it worked fine on my other walls
is your miner/droids supposed to be able to destroy the minerals? because that happened a few times when i forgot to move them away from the minerals before they got fully destroyed

 

[Zeatherann]

Well, as the game progresses it seems to get laggier and more jumpy. I still believe this to be in the power generator or regenerator, or even in the tesla coils because of the lightning effects. Either you are leaking or the Engine itself leaks lightning effects, which would suck.

Either way: after wave ~25 the game becomes unplayable to computers that are closer to the minimum system reqs then others.

Edit: Duel Core still has incorrect cost on it.

Still a great map by far!

PS: How is your map generated? is it just a truly random dispersion of blocks or some other method?

 

[maddeem]

Well, as the game progresses it seems to get laggier and more jumpy. I still believe this to be in the power generator or regenerator, or even in the tesla coils because of the lightning effects. Either you are leaking or the Engine itself leaks lightning effects, which would suck.

Either way: after wave ~25 the game becomes unplayable to computers that are closer to the minimum system reqs then others.

Edit: Duel Core still has incorrect cost on it.

Still a great map by far!

PS: How is your map generated? is it just a truly random dispersion of blocks or some other method?

Random dispersion in groups and clumps. Duel core still has incorrect? Darn lol. Its not the lighting or leaks that cause the game lag. Its the mere amount of units, destructables, and events going off. During the day it is often less laggy. I have been going through code to improve wave spawning, and it has made the gameplay much smoother.

Ok I have taken all your bugs and fixes and have applied them to the newest version. I will post the changes in change log. Version 1.1 is near

one of my walls couldn't get closed even though i was right next to it

you cant close a wall with units in the way silly

is your miner/droids supposed to be able to destroy the minerals? because that happened a few times when i forgot to move them away from the minerals before they got fully destroyed

Yes, this forces users to have much better resource management.

 

[Sheep]

you cant close a wall with units in the way silly

my miner was next to the wall and it wouldn't let me close it at all

 

[Zeatherann]

My next lag concern would be how you determine the looping over the unit near generators and such. Also: do you use dynamic triggers? if so cool!

Edit: the attack AI of the mobs creates a great incentive to base in the farthest corner possible and the loser gets swarmed and killed while the winner of the distance race gets a perfect economy. I don't mean to sound like a crying noob or anything, but after a few games and trying to get to the corner regardless if it has a good gem setup or not seems to ruin the experience for me.

 

[maddeem]

My next lag concern would be how you determine the looping over the unit near generators and such. Also: do you use dynamic triggers? if so cool!

Dynamic? Uhmmm I use some vJass and some GUI. I try to make it as efficient as possible xD
Oh, version 1.10 is out! Check changelogs

 

[Zeatherann]

The loading portion of the map desyncs myself from others i play with because of the loading lag: it catches up and resyncs so no DC but i end up losing half my initial run time every game. I would slow down the terrain generation a bit and end up waiting a bit longer to not kill lower end computers.

 

[clockwork2]

COOL! Will it have marines?

 

[maddeem]

The loading portion of the map desyncs myself from others i play with because of the loading lag: it catches up and resyncs so no DC but i end up losing half my initial run time every game. I would slow down the terrain generation a bit and end up waiting a bit longer to not kill lower end computers.

Yeah I'll make it go slower, no biggy

COOL! Will it have marines?

Infected marines

 

[Zeatherann]

Another Bug: Load code length varies, are you using spaces in your char set?

 

[maddeem]

Another Bug: Load code length varies, are you using spaces in your char set?

Am I? uhhh
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789-

 

[clockwork2]

Awww, infected ones? that stinks, I wanted to train a merc army of marines.

 

[Sheep]

Awww, infected ones? that stinks, I wanted to train a merc army of marines.

you can make tons of mind control towers and use them for a night

 

[maddeem]

Awww, infected ones? that stinks, I wanted to train a merc army of marines.

In time perhaps.

 

[Zeatherann]

Oh ok, thanks then, but it does seem to change in length...

Also: Emnizium seems to have great early game importance but little later game use

 

[clockwork2]

well until then I guess mind controllin em will do.

 

[Zeatherann]

Also: Plasma Turrets can downgrade to Flame Turrets?

 

[maddeem]

Also: Plasma Turrets can downgrade to Flame Turrets?

Fixed.