MineralZ 1.55(f)

[maddeem]

For anyone who has the map, you have my full permission to edit it and release it as you please.

 

[Zeatherann]

Nice, and ouch. That makes it become split, sadly. I will work on it, unless someone else with an unprotected copy wants to work on it.

 

[Darnassus]

Just SOMEBODY release new versions.. ';f

 

[evilminion2]

maddem is nolonger makeing mineralz maps? DDDDDD: the warcraft 3 i have only known for 2 years is falling apart... none of my friends i like to play with is loging on anymore, one of my faveorit maps is discontinuing it im watching the players curently online number drop or allout disapear for a short bit, and half the time i cant evin conect to bnet D:... id hate to say this but i think warcraft 3 is dead. i wish i got to see it in its prime...

 

[Vinz]

Unprotection

 

[Zeatherann]

@evilminion2; offtopic, but Warcraft III Battle.Net back in its 'prime' was 90% DotA maps, but only 10% of them ran bots of any sort. Not much has changed.

 

[Darnassus]

Just somebody get rid of the stupid vote for difficulty and give the choice exclusively to the host. It's infuriating when you host a game specifically for Hard, yet someone comes along and presses Easy to make it Normal.

 

[Ge0m4nc3r]

@ Zeatherann, if your really willing to "edit the map" why not with me?

I love remodeling maps as i mentioned weeks ago atm im very bizzy with a new farmer vs hunters version 10.0 with "-save/load" triggers (which is pretty hard on its own)

But i dont mind doing this olso as a side job. Fixing this problem about choosing difficulty for all can be fixed in les then 1/2 minuts for me, considering i made most maps with difficulty options lol.

if u do find this a intresting or any1 whos willing to add it/or wants a extra helping hand add me on "Garena+" and add my name: vivalasioux

Greetz Ge0m4nc3r

 

[Zeatherann]

Purely because I doubt you'd understand my coding (not bragging; just I code differently and a lot of people have trouble following sometimes.), also because I will be reworking this in pure JASS with an imported War3map.j file (aka; no triggers in the editor, no pre-placed units, no trigger-referenced destructables, cameras, regions. Nothing preplaced more or less). I find it's easier and I can get a lot more fine tuning of the code that way.That said; if you're still interested I'm sure we could get together.

 

[Steamsteam]

Purely because I doubt you'd understand my coding (not bragging; just I code differently and a lot of people have trouble following sometimes.), also because I will be reworking this in pure JASS with an imported War3map.j file (aka; no triggers in the editor, no pre-placed units, no trigger-referenced destructables, cameras, regions. Nothing preplaced more or less). I find it's easier and I can get a lot more fine tuning of the code that way.That said; if you're still interested I'm sure we could get together.

Hey man! Glad to hear you are working on an update. Any idea on date of release? We have been waiting like a year, and I thought I read that your version is slightly older... Still, I understand how hard it is to do and time consuming. GL! Cant wait!

 

[geoffrey]

Things that gotta change imo: lvl 30 boss is kinda buggy and the lamp upgrade takes so long :l

 

[Zeatherann]

Once I receive ownership of the thread, I will create a patch notes post that will outline all my planned changes.

 

[Steamsteam]

Once I receive ownership of the thread, I will create a patch notes post that will outline all my planned changes.

I am excited! If you need a tester, I play on east under Steamsteam on the weekends. Toronto time.

 

[Zeatherann]

West.

 

[Darnassus]

Things that gotta change imo: lvl 30 boss is kinda buggy and the lamp upgrade takes so long :l

Wave 30 isn't buggy, dummy. You're just a lousy shot. >xc

 

[Zeatherann]

The hives are bugged in that the tentacles detach and wreck everything. I call it a bug because it has a 99% chance to kill all players regardless of base construction.

 

[Ge0m4nc3r]

Purely because I doubt you'd understand my coding (not bragging; just I code differently and a lot of people have trouble following sometimes.), also because I will be reworking this in pure JASS with an imported War3map.j file (aka; no triggers in the editor, no pre-placed units, no trigger-referenced destructables, cameras, regions. Nothing preplaced more or less). I find it's easier and I can get a lot more fine tuning of the code that way.That said; if you're still interested I'm sure we could get together.

Ofcourse i don't know about coding <3 most maps got there own coding. Im pretty used to "trying" to understand sameone els codes, thats how i learned mapmaking after all

Well add me on my email and we can discuss this better, and then perhaps add eace other on "skype" to communicate better causs it aint handy doing it in here :|

 

[Darnassus]

The hives are bugged in that the tentacles detach and wreck everything. I call it a bug because it has a 99% chance to kill all players regardless of base construction.

... that's wave 20. ':f

Unless you weren't talking to me..

 

[Zeatherann]

Just listing a bug

 

[Darnassus]

Just listing a bug

Ah okay well, then for your convenience they detach on 20 and 60.

 

[Ayrayen]

If the creeps could balance themselves out based on players - that would be great.

 

[Zeatherann]

The number of spawned zerg is dependant on the number of players that started the game. What else do you want them to do?

 

[Ayrayen]

Oh, really?

I always have an army of Zergs waiting just outside my barrier. Taking one on one out all the time. Figured there might've been something wrong there.

 

[Zeatherann]

Request and Future Changelog

If anyone wants to assist me in putting out a new version of this map please PM me. I need someone to compile all the vJASS code into a readable, pure JASS version. I don't mind having multiple global variable blocks it's that I can't parse vJASS. Once I get it all into a working state with all the vJASS converted to JASS I can then work on a list of planned changes.

Planned Changes

Subject to Change

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• Zerg

  • Waves

    1. Changes the number of waves between bosses from nine to 5.
    2. Waves will be classified into the following types:
       

       Normal	These waves contain melee zerg that have no special properties.
       Flying	These waves contain, you guessed it; flying zergs.
       Siege	These waves contain zerg that destroy natural barriers, split into other zerg, or otherwise deal increased damage to buildings.
       Ranged	These waves will contain zerg that have an attack range greater than 100. The attack range will depend on the type of zerg spawned as well as the level they spawned on.
       Boss	The waves that will present one boss zerg, and several other smaller minion zerg of the same type. Bosses can also be any of the other wave types.

    3. Waves will spawn a set number of zerg depending on the number of living players, and the chosen difficulty. Boss waves will spawn one boss per player regardless of the difficulty.
    4. A wave will pick a random zerg type from the list of zerg types for that wave's type. For example; A wave that is normal could pick a zergling, a mutant, or a tiny nydus wurm.
    5. A wave will have its wave type randomly picked as well. This varies the order of zerg attacking the players each game, and forces players to give up any singular strategy for combating it. It got boring having to get X Rocket Turrets by wave Y etc, every game. There will be limitations on which wave types can spawn however. Below is the list of the non boss wave types paired with the first level you can see them.
       

       Normal	Wave 1
       Flying	Wave 6
       Siege	Wave 11
       Ranged	Wave 6

    6. Because of the reduced number of zerg waves, the time between waves has been increased by 50%.

  • Bosses

    1. Balancing bosses so that they can appear on any of the boss waves (if their wave type can appear of course).
    2. Bosses are essentially an elite version of an existing zerg type. This zerg type will spawn as cannon fodder to help the boss.
    3. A boss can be spawned as an elite version of itself. If this occures then there will be half (round down, minimum of one) the number of spawns of normal. This elite boss will be harder to kill.
    4. Beating a boss wave will reward all surviving players with credits for the first time they defeat the boss. Elite bosses will give double credits, though only half of them are saved. The other half are for use for that game only (as an elite boss is not gaurenteed to spawn).
    5. Bosses will no longer gain attack damage over time. Instead they will occasionally spawn more cannon fodder. Once enough cannon fodder is spawned the next wave will start without it going to day. This will only happen after enough time has passed to normally allow the bosses to be killed. Killing any of bosses will set this counter back a bit, but not reset it.

• Saving and Loading

  • Saving

    1. You can only save during the daytime, between waves or before the first wave.
    2. Saving will save the number of credits you have permanently earned. Spending and/or giving them away will not lower this number. Gaining bonus credits from elite bosses, or being gifted credits from other players will not increase this number.
    3. Saving will save the highest wave you have beaten.
    4. Saving will lastly save the hardest difficulty you have beated as well. This is used for titles.

  • Loading

    1. You can load during any daytime, not just before the first wave. Loading will award you your saved credits, minus the number of credits earned before loading (if you loaded after killing a boss).

• Buildings

  • Construction

    1. Attempts will be made to remove Maddeem's anti-buildjump code and still disallow the glitch to put the player in unreachable areas.
    2. Building construction speeds will be increased to compensate for the lowered number of waves.
    3. If you start construction on a building nearby to zerg the building will collapse as your builder is too scared to build there. Plan your buildings wisely between waves.

  • Upgrading

    1. Building upgrade times has been sped up to compensate for the lowered number of waves.

  • Pathing Maps

    1. The pathing map for most buildings will now include a layer of unbuilable pathing, to force more spacing. Walls are unaffected.
    2. Factories have had their pathing redesigned to only be able to be placed on mineral nodes.
    3. Mineral nodes have had their pathing changed to also include a layer of unbuilable pathing.

  • Tooltips

    1. All attacking buildings will have their tooltip updated to show what they can attack (ground, air, or both).
    2. Buildings will have their resource cost in their tooltip corrected if inaccurate.
    3. Buildings may have their resource cost as a tech requirement.

  • Resource Costs

    1. Buildings will have their resource costs looked at.
    2. Most buildings will be reduced to use less types of resources.
    3. Most buildings will see a slight reduction in their resource cost.

• Research

  • Researches will have their research time reduced.
  • Researches will have their resource cost looked over to use less types of resources.
  • Researches will see a slight reduction in their resource cost.
  • Mining Capacity will be capped at level 5, costing 25, 75, 225, 675, 2025 of the mineral.
  • Mining Speed will be capped at level 5, costing 25, 50, 100, 200, 400 of all minerals. Each level will reduce the time it takes to mine minerals by 10%, up to 50%.
  • Regenerative Remedy will be removed, and mineral nodes will be made unkillable by mining. A method to remove them will be added as sometimes they get in the way.

• Perks

  • Bolster Walls

    1. Will become a three level upgrade.
    2. Life gained from this upgrade changed to 10%/20%/30%, from 25%.
    3. Cost changed from 2 credits to 1/1/1 credits.

  • Diplomacy

    1. Cost changed to 5 credits, down from 6.

  • Droid AI

    1. Will be reduced to a one time buy upgrade that will allow access to building droids.
    2. Cost changed to 5 credits, from 3/4/5/6.

  • Energy Efficiency

    1. Will become a three level upgrade.
    2. Rate of power generation changed from 100% to 33%/66%/100%.
    3. Cost changed from 6 credits to 2/2/2 credits.

  • Generator Light

    1. Cost changed to 1 credit, down from 2.

  • Improved Construction

    1. Removed.

  • Life Pack

    1. Changed to a three level upgrade.
    2. Life increase changed from 300 to 150/300/450.
    3. Cost changed from 4 credits to 2/2/2 credits.
    4. Movement speed increase removed.

  • Mechanical Pickaxe

    1. Removed.

  • Revival

    1. Removed.

  • Speed Pack

    1. Changed to a three level upgrade.
    2. Movement speed increase changed from 150 to 75/150/225.
    3. Cost changed from 5 credits to 2/2/2 credits.

  • Spiked Walls

    1. Will have the spike damage changed to be a percent of the attacker's life.
    2. Spike Damage is now 2%/4%/6% instead of 5/10/15 to remove effectivness from the first two waves and add effectivness to the later waves.

  • Superior Mind Control

    1. Changed to a three level upgrade.
    2. Power cost reduction changed from 60% to 25%/50%/75%.
    3. Cost changed from 10 credits to 4/4/4 credits.
  • More cosmetic perks will be added, such as building skins.

• Credits

  • Credits are for purchasing perks. Perks are mostly cosmetic changes such as skins for your builder.
  • Credits will be awarded by defeating bosses. Each boss will award credits equal to the wave number it was killed on, if the player has less credits earned.

 

[Steamsteam]

I am loving the proposed changes. Got an ETA?

Is 5 robots the maximum still?

 

[Zeatherann]

Five is currently the max. I am planning on changing that, just haven't written that part of the list yet.

 

[Steamsteam]

Increase or decrease? The factories are so freakin useless. I hope that if the robots are reduced, that the factories are increased. Its almost a waste of time if you are not planing on building 20+ early.

 

[Zeatherann]

Factories will be looked at again. My general plans are reducing the number of minerals a player can get per minute, but also scaling the costs of everything back as well. Also wanting to remove the limit for the droids.

 

[Steamsteam]

What are your thoughts on also being able to see your allies mineral counts? Would help to know off hand if someone has an excess of mineral X and needs Y when you are the opposite.

 

[Ayrayen]

Also, the Flame Turret, I think level 6. Has Building Explosions as its missiles.
It gets really confusing when I look at it.
Just a suggestion.

 

[Zeatherann]

I will have to come up with a nice way to view the mineral counts, simply making the list in the multiboard might get in the way. I will also take a look at the turrets.

 

[Tonex]

So sad to see Mineralz straying from the ideals of when mad and I developed in the old days.

 

[Zeatherann]

What is straying from Maddeem's path? These are all are planned changes, nothing has been done yet. In fact the version I have is a version or two behind current so some of the latest features will be undone.

 

[maddeem]

So sad to see Mineralz straying from the ideals of when mad and I developed in the old days.

Ahh I miss those days and you Tonex, I really do.

If you need help converting the vjass into jass, just skype me.

 

[Steamsteam]

Noticed there was an update. Whats changed? The proposed changes you wanted to do? Definitely will check it out tmrw.

 

[Zeatherann]

The update was I got ownership. That is one of the few roadblocks I have to overcome before I'll post a first update. I will also start the versioning at 2.0 to prevent confusion.

 

[Steamsteam]

Guess downloaded the new map was a waste of time then... lol Can't wait to play it!

 

[savinguptobebroke]

Cool I like the planned changes but how will this work ?
"Mining Capacity will be capped at level 5, costing 25, 75, 225, 675, 2025 of the miner "
Will each upgrade only increase capacity by one as usual or more ( e.g. 2,5 ) to make it more economical .

Could you add some additional upgrades to the following structures :

factory 2 additional upgrades as I like good economy

Mind-control tower 1 additional upgrade
magnet tower 1 additional upgrade
seismic tower 1 additional upgrade
the bottom 3 are mainly for the late game

When I play I find that saphharium is usually in the most demand as it is used for most structures and a large amount of it is used for walls so perhaps you should reduce the usage of that mineral .

I don't see the use of the energy shield as the monsters just attack it and kill it easily and yes I did put the shield on and had it powered with a t4 generator .

A bug or possible exploit I have used it more times then I should.

Build your base . build a barricade a upgrade it as much as possible make sure you only have one entrance and the as few zerg as possible can attack it . Now instead of building towers just build regenerators and power make sure to upgrade these and build one or two rocket towers to deal with the air wave T3 is best . Continue playing until you reach wave 10 at this point if you wall out heals the damage it receives your good . The wave will not end until the boss is killed but since you don't have any turrets you will never kill him so you can spend as mush time as you want upgrading and building defenses else where , as long as the boss is alive , your wall out regenerates the damage it takes and if there are no other entrances to your base . So from here I usually get lots of factories and build a mega for then resume by kill the boss with a tower I build later .

If you have time and feel like it I would like to see the zerg units given new models as they look kind of strange as they are a merge of several different models I saw a hydralisk and zergling combined kind of strange looking . This can also be done for the structure so the have a similar art style This serves no game play purpose and I would understand if you don't do it , just a ingestion .

How do you build a bio engineering bay I cant seem to fit the prerequisites where do you get the last two upgrades .

By how much does the seismic tower slow the zerg by ?

Thank you love the game it is very well made you should get it re-reviewed I'm sure it will get 5/5 second time around .

 

[savinguptobebroke]

Another question what are ranks , what do they do and how do I get them ?

 

[wkjy4ever]

the hiveworkshop say mineralz is updated,but y i still download the 1.3 version?

 

[Steamsteam]

The most recent update was just the thread updating so that the new owner can take control.

@Saving:
That method stalling wave 10 is one I abuse too. But it fails if the boss is in range. The boss has a damage type that increases over time. After enough hits, it can one shot a wall.

 

[maddeem]

I love the new suggestions. Can't wait to try the revised version.

 

[Vinz]

Another question what are ranks , what do they do and how do I get them ?

Please don't double post. Use the

button.

 

[maddeem]

Another question what are ranks , what do they do and how do I get them ?

Ranks or titles are achieved by beating certain waves regardless of difficulty. Wave 40-80 currently unlock titles of increasing value. They have no real value other than recognition for how far you have beaten the game.

 

[Forn]

My goood.... i played nearly 6 hour in thith map. All thith time me and my fryend try to found boss on 10 night. We clear map from dark places, but dont find fucking boss!
Can i ask you - wtf?

 

[maddeem]

My goood.... i played nearly 6 hour in thith map. All thith time me and my fryend try to found boss on 10 night. We clear map from dark places, but dont find fucking boss!
Can i ask you - wtf?

That's quite weird. Could you possibly post a replay?

 

[KevinDashR]

I love the map, but i hate that FUCKING bug of you can't save

 

[maddeem]

I love the map, but i hate that FUCKING bug of you can't save

You can't save in single player

 

[Zeatherann]

Interesting bug, never heard of that issue before. Also as Maddeem said; saving in singleplayer isn't allowed.

 

[Darnassus]

You can save in singleplayer as long as you're online. Unless you mean singleplayer offline in the game itself without battle.net.


As long as you're connected to Battle.net, you can start the game up, play alone and still save.