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Stuff like this happens. Thus why you never tie credit card details to a gamming account.

Wait for E3 atleast. Nentindo will be presenting the next generation from them so you may wish to save up for it. No it will not be another repackaged gamecube, and instead sounds like it will be simlar to the 360 or more powerful.
 
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DSG, but if you think about it, the new Psp, known as NGP, is JUST as powerful as a wii/ ps2. So imagine the next generation consoles of the 360 and ps3.

As for Rispetto,
You are, a bit late on the news. The Playstation Network has been down for 6 days in a row now. If you havet been notified, they are reconstructing the network from scratch, hopefully with improved security measures as well as online stability and quality.

We will see what the new updates will be, if any other than security enclosures. The PSN is expected to be back up within another week, as reported by Sony.
 
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I am shocked you even compare those two consoles. The PS2 was an underpowered piece of shit that even the Gamecube out performed. It was running on 1996 processor technology in 1999. Not to say it didn't have fantastic games though.

Frankly the best performance comparison is Xbox and Wii. Also, the Xbox being outperformed by a mobile device is nothing new. Smartphones have been doing it for at least a year.



Anyways, caught sniffs of this on Saturday and told my friends with PS3's to change their email passwords and monitor their credit cards closely :/




Oh, fun fact, the Wii2 is rumored to have a triple core PowerPC and ATI R700 type GPU. This means no DX11 :/
However, this is close to my computer build of a triple core AMD with HD4870 (highend R700) so I lol'd
 
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For one, I didnt compare the consoles to each other? I only mentioned Wii and the PS2 because DSG mentioned Nintendo earlier. I was just clarifying that the next PSP Portable grasped greater potential than what DSG was describing. Its as if he described the Nintendo's Next console is godly.

Second, I mentioned the PS2 (well duh) as its part of Sony's production line? Also it held a good standing of 8+ years to the Sony name. Unlike the gamecube, or any other nintendo console, the PS2 upheld the title for quite a bit.

is JUST as powerful as a wii/ ps2
The / representing "just as powerful as [the wii or ps2 individually or both combined]."
 

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Sony NGP is ruhmored to be able to run PS3/360 games. Ofcourse it may have toned down visuals or reduced physics but apparently a developer said it was amazingly easy to port a PS3 game to it (not just remake a crappy version of the game).

The Wii2 will certainly allow for some cool games. Imagine Super Smashbros at full 1080p, or a modern generation legend of zelda (where the capital city consists of more than 100 people). It will also mean we are more likly to see less paralel game development and thus better games. Everyone knows the sonic unleashed problem with separate Wii and PS3/360 versions.

However the only reason we know of its existance is as a stunt to boost market confidence (and keep stock from falling rock down after its 66% reduction in profit). Sony and Microsoft are most likly also close to finishing a new console, one which will probably feature DX11 (MS) or tessilisation features (sony).
 

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The problem is DirectX is technology of Microsoft. The Xbox 360 uses a slightly modified version of DX9 and the orignal Xbox a version of DX7 or 8. It is really likly that the sucessor will also use DX technology and standards.

Sony on the otherhand does not. The PS3 uses a modified version of OpenGL which supports prety much the same as the 360. Unless Sony cuts some deal with MS (unlikly), they will be forced to use OpenGL again for graphics.

Luckilly DirectX 11 does have an OpenGL counterpart, but whether Sony use it or it does as much is another question.
 
I don't want to turn this into a ps3/360 war, but I must say at this point I'm ready to sell my ps3 for a 360.
Even though the red ring issue has prevented me from buying one in the past (its the reason I bought a ps3 to begin with) this is a pretty big failure for Sony.
As for graphics, I'm sorry but the PS3 had blue ray miles ahead of Microsoft. Not even the XBOX Slim has blue ray. Come on, Microsoft, step up your game here.
1080p <3
 

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The 360 and PS3 are graphically as powerful. Infact the 360 is more powerful in some respects due to dual die allowing AA and cheap transparency blends.
The media was a problem. There is no doubt the 360 is capable of full 1080p playback, but it bet on HD-DVD for it which unfortunatly died out. Thus the best it can manage is dual layer DVD. Sony owning extra rights to use blu-ray did not help. They also could not impliment it on the newer console versions due to backwards compatibility concerns.

A little known fact is both the 360 and PS3 do not run most of their games at 1080p. They lack the memory to run current gen graphics at 1080p. 360 generally handles this better though as it can access more graphics memory or can use AA at lower resolutions to fake smoothness.

Even though the red ring issue
That was only an initial release problem and was much exadurated. Infact I own a core model which is still working.

I still would wait for E3 in June before making a console change. Nentindo will show off their newest creation and we will likly here from its competitors about responses (new consoles).
 
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A new Wii on par with Xbox 360? Why that's amazing! What has it been, OVER FIVE FUCKING YEARS since the XBox 360 was released? Nintendo sure is catching up huh?
 
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I'm sorry but the PS3 had blue ray miles ahead of Microsoft.

Yes, the most prone to failure part of the PS3. I've seen more broken PS3's than Xbox 360's due to that damn drive.

It's not like the Bluray is even used for most games :/ A few JRPG's and Metal Gear Solid basically.


Oh also: LOADERING LOADERING LOADERING


Edit: Not to say the 360 had a perfect drive, took them awhile to fix the disc scratching issue.


A new Wii on par with Xbox 360? Why that's amazing! What has it been, OVER FIVE FUCKING YEARS since the XBox 360 was released? Nintendo sure is catching up huh?

Actually, it should heavily outperform the Xbox 360, by making use of various efficiency improvements on the processor side, and a much more powerful GPU.
 
It's not like the Bluray is even used for most games :/ A few JRPG's and Metal Gear Solid basically.

Actually every single game for the ps3 (including my NBA 07) uses blue-ray. Read the label on the discs.

That was only an initial release problem and was much exadurated. Infact I own a core model which is still working.

Say what you will. There are still many issues with the 360:

- Leave a disc in the console while you move it (even if you unplug then move it) can cause disc damage.
- Knocking over the 360 while a game is running will most likely cause disc damage.
- Red Ring burning motherboards and starting house fires
- Easily hackable (especially seen on CoD, GoW, etc)

My friends brother pre-ordered Halo Wars.
I went to his house to play it with him the day he got it.
His sister knocked over the 360 and the game was eaten.
Futureshop nor Microsoft offered to replace his game.
 

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Actually every single game for the ps3 (including my NBA 07) uses blue-ray. Read the label on the discs.
Physically yes. But in reality? Most of the games are probably only using the same as a normal dual layer DVD or atmost slightly more. FF13 was a good example of this where the actual game was only 5 GB (someone checked the bluray) and the rest of the game disc was the umpteen hours of CGI cutscenes in 1080p. The fact is developers have not been able to use the space efficiently, often forcing them to be very wasteful adding unnescescary pre rendered cutscenes or audio just so they can appear to half utalize a blu-ray.

- Leave a disc in the console while you move it (even if you unplug then move it) can cause disc damage.
- Knocking over the 360 while a game is running will most likely cause disc damage.
Same with most disc drives. The 360 is not the only console to come with a do not move while running or disc inserted warning. Also keeping it horrizontal will reduce the likleyhood of this.

- Red Ring burning motherboards and starting house fires
The 360 is not meant to be used in an oven. You let the console get too hot and ofcourse you will get a fire, same with your computer and PS3. Just search for images of burned out 8800 GT graphic cards and you will see what overheating can do.
Fortunatly that is now a thing of the past due to the new slim 360 which uses less power and has much better ventilation.
If you do not ventilate your console properly, ofcourse it will overheat.
Also no normal person would leave the console in red ring state for umpteen hours (you instead turn it off).

- Easily hackable (especially seen on CoD, GoW, etc)
I take it you have not heard of the PS3 then? You know, the console where anyone can authenticate a playable blu-ray for it through the cracked development codes? The console where millions of account details (including credit card numbers) have been stolen from its internet play feature? The console people have managed to load up entirly different opperating systems on and even play WC3 on (not a PS3 game)? The Wii and 360 do have ingame hacking problems, but the PS3 has much much worse.

My friends brother pre-ordered Halo Wars.
I went to his house to play it with him the day he got it.
His sister knocked over the 360 and the game was eaten.
Futureshop nor Microsoft offered to replace his game.
If you punch a whole through your TV while playing the Wii, do not expect a replacement TV as you broke your TV and not the Wii or the game or the TV. Same goes with your disc, you broke it and not the 360 nor the distributor. The 360 clearly warns not to move the console with games in it and you disobeyed the warnings. Anyway, this is why I lie my console down in its horozontal mode to play and play from hard disk, as even if it falls over (I have it on stands for better cooling), the discs do not get damaged.
 

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The 360 is built like a PC,
No it is not...
The CPU it uses is prety simlar to the CPU in the PS3, infact it was from the same development project and is prety much 3 of the large processing elements in a cell processor with added simultanious multithreading. This means it is RISC unlike the x86 CISC processors used in PCs.
Additionally the way the graphics works is very different from PC, using its own custom directX 9 version and a sort of intigrated graphics system (memory shared with main system).
Everything has to be run through the 360 OS which also adds some security.

If anything the PS3 is built like a PC, it basically has a nvidia 7800 graphic card in it with a processor and dedicated memory. Thats why PS3s were used in some super computers and why you can run linux on them (linux still supports RISC).
 
The coding is by Microsoft.
They didn't change their scripting language just for XBOX costing millions and wasting hundreds if not thousands of hours teaching the crew the new code.
360 is more easily hackable, whether or not you compare hardware or not.
And by easily, I literally mean put one tool on a USB and throw it in your 360 for ultimate powa.
You go on CoDWaW on the 360 and there are fly/speed hackers/modded controllers all over the damn place.
You won't find that on ps3.
This situation is the first slip with Sony.
Let's do the math, shall we?

Sony:
Hacked -1
10+ Years Spent Unhacked: +1
Laggy Servers: -1
Fixing Laggy Servers: +1
God of War: +1

Microsoft:
2000 OS: -1
Vista OS: -1
Red Ring: -1
Hackable (Software): -1
Easily Modded (Hardware): -1
Hacked My XBOX1 At Age 14: -1
Halo Trilogy: +1

Sony: +1
Microsoft: -5
 

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They didn't change their scripting language just for XBOX costing millions and wasting hundreds if not thousands of hours teaching the crew the new code.

This is not how software development for consoles works. All console games are primarilly compiled code. This code is usually made in C++ and compiled using the vender specific compiler (in this case the Xbox360DK). I do agree however that you might be able to make hacks for it more easilly as Microsoft was offering a lite weight version of the DK for home brew games at one stage which may have been hacked to allow the comilation of hacks for the system.

Also a lot of 360 games are cross platform with the PC so hacks can often come from a real PC rather than on the 360. Hackers however should be more heavilly punished as they run the risk of losing their gold membership time and not getting refunded.

One however can not compare game hacks to a massive security compromise of the certral servers. 360 will only be worse than the PS3 if windows live/xbox live gets hacked.

Sony: +1
Microsoft: -5

And you brought in computer opperating systems into the score? I could bring the scores of defective Sony products into the converstation as well (they make more than playstation).
 
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Sony:
Hacked -1
10+ Years Spent Unhacked: +1
Laggy Servers: -1
Fixing Laggy Servers: +1
God of War: +1

Microsoft:
2000 OS: -1
Vista OS: -1
Red Ring: -1
Hackable (Software): -1
Easily Modded (Hardware): -1
Hacked My XBOX1 At Age 14: -1
Halo Trilogy: +1

Sony: +1
Microsoft: -5

That's a pretty lousy/bias summary...

And like DSG said, there's getting 'hacked' and then there's losing 2million people's credit numbers to said hackers. 360 gets hacked daily, so does the ps3 - I really don't get why people hate on one or the other neither is perfect.

As for the actual subject of the hack I heard they found the guy who did it but haven't managed to find any single reliable source, anyone got any info on that?
 
Credit card information was not taken.
They simply put it out there that it is a possibility and you should watch out for it.
It's just a way of covering their own asses if it does happen, so they can go "well we told you it could happen, and we told you what you can do to improve security to prevent it" kinda thing.

And yes I brought their crappy operating systems into it because that's exactly what they were - crap.

You could argue some of the Sony televisions are pretty shitty but so are Toshiba and LG. You get what you pay for.

That's like me paying $400 for a Panasonic 42" TV and when it gets to my house it turns out it's a Toshiba 40" which are worth like $340. That was my initial reaction when I installed Vista onto my old laptop.
 

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I installed Vista onto my old laptop.

I could argue as well that the "can not read disc" message you get when putting a PS3 disc into a PS2 is the same reaction but as you can see it is a total nonsense reaction. Putting something new onto something old may not always work the way you want it to.

What you have failed so far to mention is all the real advantages of the PS3...
Like the fact the games (not movies as those are not owned by sony) are region free unlike the 360.
The fact it has always had a HDMI connector unlike the 360 where only modern versions do.
The fact that its install game system is smarter than just dumping the whole disc to HDD (for some games atleast).

However you must face the facts that the 360 is just a more powerful system (although still in the same league so that the same games can run on both).
 
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Microsoft:
2000 OS: -1


Don't you dare knock Win2k. That was the least buggy release of Windows software they have ever had. XP was crap till SP2.


10+ Years Spent Unhacked: +1

Yep, nevermind the hacker they went against that started this all. You know, the one who was continuing linux support by the PS3?


God of War: +1
Halo Trilogy: +1

God of War and Halo were highly overrated past the first game. And I think Halo is a quartet now.


Red Ring: -1

Compared to the PS3's early overheating/disc failure issues. Seen alot more dead PS3's than 360's over the years.


Laggy Servers: -1
Fixing Laggy Servers: +1

This should mean Microsoft should get a point for not having laggy servers in the first place.
 

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I purchased my PS3 when they first came out and I've never cleaned it out .. never had a single overheating issue.

Too bad the problem only existed with certain manufactured PS3s (same with the red ring in certain manufactured 360s). Ones in Europe were generally of different production from the US ones meaning that components like disc drivers and heatsinks were sorced from different suppliers. The 360 disc scratching problem for example was due to 1 particualar supplier of disc drives so only regions that were sold consoles manufactured with those disc drives were affected.

I could argue microsoft diserves an additional point for helping enforce DX11 standards to graphic venders (unlike OpenGL which played catchup). Before only some ATI cards could do tessilisation and few games supported it as it needed ATI specific libraries and was an extension but due to Microsoft making it part of their DX11 graphic standard now all new cards support DX11 and tessilisation. Thus they helped push game towards the future (now a lot of PC games are planning to use tessilisation).

I could also arge that sony diserves -1 point for stealing another companies idea. Do not think the PS1 was made by sony for sony, it was actually outsorced to them as part of another console but the deal eventually flopped so they continued on to make the PS1 to cover the losses.

Sony also released the console late (over a year of delays), which should definatly diserve a -1.
 
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I could also arge that sony diserves -1 point for stealing another companies idea. Do not think the PS1 was made by sony for sony, it was actually outsorced to them as part of another console but the deal eventually flopped so they continued on to make the PS1 to cover the losses.

ehhhhh, wouldn't say they stole it. It was originally a joint project between Sony and Nintendo to stick a CDROM onto a SNES. Nintendo broke from it, and Sony decided to continue it and made the Playstation 1
 
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