Isn't Hive... a little too strict?

[Narrat0r]

Recently I've been strolling around the Hive Recycle Bin for some lulz, you know, retards making retarded threads. However, I did find a couple of completely fine threads that were closed because the arguing in them was getting a little annoying and people were becoming ignorant. A mod's job, at least I think it is, is to close the thread and let those people know that they were being a... "little annoying", let's just put it that way.
However, the Hive's rules are a little too forced in - threads like this and/or this get deleted why? Do they violate any rules? Do they promote piracy or advertise porn? No, it's just users casually having fun. Not every thread has to be "What is your opinion on Polymorphic Mutually Recursive Functions of Inadaptive Cromulency?" At least not outside of Medih's Tower.
But still, there's not much of those threads that get inexplicably deleted; the problem I have would be... oh my God there goes my 50 rep points... some moderators are kinda douches.
No, really. When a thread gets deleted because of a fight, the users that got -rep usually get it with a message "Stop being an idiot" and "You are a retard". Moderators should point out what were those users doing to get -rep, not addressing their status as a "supreme member" by insulting them. Not many moderators do this nowadays, but I can still name a few. Which I am not going to do for some OBVIOUS reasons.
What I also have a problem with moderators giving out -rep for reasons not stated in the site rules. Especially one certain moderator which name I shall not imply here. An example? You made a joke that he didn't understand and thought it was an insult so he neg reps you and gives out a warning. And no matter how you try to convince him that it was a joke, honey badger don't care.

Don't get me wrong - I love this site, and I know that admins want it to be a serious community, but considering that every second user is a brony, I think that you should tone down the strictness, maybe open up some new forum sections etc.

Discuss and don't hate me.

 

[Cihparg]

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[Joe-black-5]

What I also have a problem with moderators giving out -rep for reasons not stated in the site rules. Especially one certain moderator which name I shall not imply here. An example? You made a joke that he didn't understand and thought it was an insult so he neg reps you and gives out a warning. And no matter how you try to convince him that it was a joke, honey badger don't care.

Don't get me wrong - I love this site, and I know that admins want it to be a serious community, but considering that every second user is a brony, I think that you should tone down the strictness, maybe open up some new forum sections etc.

Discuss and don't hate me.

You have the right to report that certain person, if he was over reacting or took your right or simply was wrong and decided to be a dick about it, we will question him/yell at him.

as for the threads if it was offtopic mostly, that means it was me who moved/deleted/closed it, but I rarely give rep after that and if I do, it's a 0 rep "please don't do it again"
if you find an action by me (or some other mod by any chance) unjust do not hesitate to contact me and we will discuss it ;D (I wont bite).

 

[Grey Nightmare]

I also find mods tend to give neg rep for these silly reasons AND yet when I've reported a genuinely aggressive or inappropriate post, NOTHING has been done about it! -____-

 

[Narrat0r]

You have the right to report that certain person, if he was over reacting or took your right or simply was wrong and decided to be a dick about it, we will question him/yell at him.

as for the threads if it was offtopic mostly, that means it was me who moved/deleted/closed it, but I rarely give rep after that and if I do, it's a 0 rep "please don't do it again"
if you find an action by me (or some other mod by any chance) unjust do not hesitate to contact me and we will discuss it ;D (I wont bite).

Well, for now, he seems to be quieted down for me to report him for anything.
But sure, it's my right as a user to let mods know if something... annoys me.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Admin Contact if you're being treated unfairly.

Can't see anything good about the examples you linked, they belong in the recycle bin.

Hive Seriousness +1

 

[Rui]

I agree the first one could be sent to WarCraft Discussion, not so sure about the second, it could turn into a spam fest really quick.

 

[HFR]

PM me the mod's name, age and address. Assassins will be sent.

 

[Magtheridon96]

Recently I've been trolling around

Fixed.

No, really. When a thread gets deleted because of a fight, the users that got -rep usually get it with a message "Stop being an idiot" and "You are a retard". Moderators should point out what were those users doing to get -rep, not addressing their status as a "supreme member" by insulting them. Not many moderators do this nowadays, but I can still name a few. Which I am not going to do for some OBVIOUS reasons.

I don't want to be a tattle-tale, but:

It was

Keep going

Keep going

Keep going

It was Kwah!

 

[Arcisal]

I don't want to be a tattle-tale, but:

It was

Keep going

Keep going

Keep going

It was Kwah!

Treason!

 

[dead-man-walking]

[reaction=http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/images_all/smilies/contest_smilies/ogre_hurrhurr.gif]Of course we are too strict. Especially when compared to imageboards. /brickd[/reaction]

That aside, I don't see how Hive could be very strict when trolls can stroll around for weeks before they got banned.

 

[Direfury]

Or when they get into staff.

 

[GhostThruster]

@OP: First thread contained spam posts and was generally pointless.
Second thread was plain stupid.

There is no rule stating 'a moderator cannot be a douche'. All that matters is they do their job right.

Most of the time a moderator uses those vague comments is when the reasons are obvious. If you still have troubles, contact the admins or something.

This thread is pointless, and alot of those points have been discussed and rejected already.

 

[Direfury]

Trolls are antagonists, however. It isn't very productive if a staff member antagonizes the members.

 

[Bugz]

Anyone can be trollers, even mods. But if you got a problem contact an admin..

 

[Skycraft]

Admins can be trolls too :O

 

[GhostThruster]

Exactly, everyone can be a troll. Why the fungal growth must moderators stop trolling?

If a staff member antagonises members, it would either be tiny and not bothersome enough to report ...or it would be reported. I have had many a moderator piss me off, but in the end no one gives a fudge-sticle and they still do their jobs properly.

 

[noob]

Hive is not egnouph strict.

 

[Arcisal]

Admins being trolls does solve the problem, no matter how crude their methods, but it doesn't get the troll from stopping. If a mod calls a troll 'retard', then it would, either in the pure satisfaction and glee or anger, to continue his/her('s) reign of trolling, which would ultimately lead to a permaband.

However, judging whether a thread is useless is definitely debatable and arguable. The TAST thread serves no purpose whatsoever and the Pony Thread is just as useless. But the reason behind the closing of the TAST thread and not the Pony thread, even though it was reopened, did cause some 'hate' from the posters. Whether a thread is useless and is full of spam should be viewed at ALL threads equally and as such.

 

[GhostThruster]

Never said the thread was useless, said it was pointless. At least the MLP thread has a point (being a meme and an actual show with a fanbase). Tho must say tast thread is shit.
Now the first thread had a barely reasonable topic, but it was still stupid and the comments moreso. The second thread was a thread for 'old stuff'. Yeah.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

THW isn's strict enough. I'm not fan of TL.net but I saw how they moderate and a lot of retarded threads would be gone if that was applied here, and user would be warned, 2 warnings = 1 week ban, etc.

 

[Direfury]

Groups have a discussion area, so any and all memes should be kept there, not a thread, no matter how much damage it does. A little order goes a long way.

 

[Gilles]

Anyone can be trollers, even mods. But if you got a problem contact an admin..

Admittedly when I was a moderator I said the same thing, but in my experience, admin contact threads got jack all done. Threads started here in Site Discussion have gotten a whole lot more done from what I've seen.

Reminds me of a certain situation in New York...

 

[Bugz]

Admittedly when I was a moderator I said the same thing, but in my experience, admin contact threads got jack all done. Threads started here in Site Discussion have gotten a whole lot more done from what I've seen.

Reminds me of a certain situation in New York...

Yes that might be correct. Because of the amount of people that can comment this, alot more attention will be given

 

[Edhel-dur]

Isn't Hive... a little too strict?

Ehm... Hell no!?

Wait, let me check the forum...


Eyup, Hell no!

Recently I've been strolling around the Hive Recycle Bin for some lulz, you know, retards making retarded threads. However, I did find a couple of completely fine threads that were closed because the arguing in them was getting a little annoying and people were becoming ignorant. A mod's job, at least I think it is, is to close the thread and let those people know that they were being a... "little annoying", let's just put it that way.
However, the Hive's rules are a little too forced in - threads like this and/or this get deleted why? Do they violate any rules? Do they promote piracy or advertise porn? No, it's just users casually having fun. Not every thread has to be "What is your opinion on Polymorphic Mutually Recursive Functions of Inadaptive Cromulency?" At least not outside of Medih's Tower.
But still, there's not much of those threads that get inexplicably deleted; the problem I have would be... oh my God there goes my 50 rep points... some moderators are kinda douches.
No, really. When a thread gets deleted because of a fight, the users that got -rep usually get it with a message "Stop being an idiot" and "You are a retard". Moderators should point out what were those users doing to get -rep, not addressing their status as a "supreme member" by insulting them. Not many moderators do this nowadays, but I can still name a few. Which I am not going to do for some OBVIOUS reasons.
What I also have a problem with moderators giving out -rep for reasons not stated in the site rules. Especially one certain moderator which name I shall not imply here. An example? You made a joke that he didn't understand and thought it was an insult so he neg reps you and gives out a warning. And no matter how you try to convince him that it was a joke, honey badger don't care.

Don't get me wrong - I love this site, and I know that admins want it to be a serious community, but considering that every second user is a brony, I think that you should tone down the strictness, maybe open up some new forum sections etc.

Discuss and don't hate me.

Seriously? I mean considering how many threads are opened daily and how many posts are made daily... and how much reputation is spread by the users on a daily basis... your problem is that two threads have been closed without stating any reason? Like Really? Common.

Now seriously, no one has 100% accuracy. And no one is 100% right. And no one is 100% fair. And no one is 100% the same every day. That includes mods/admins too.
I mean really, what feelings? It's the freaking internetz. You shouldn't care that you lost a few Rep points by mistake. You anyway probably generate more on a weekly basis than you loose from mod mistakes.

So what if your post got deleted or moved to Recycle Bin? It means that the post itself isn't productive, or it wasn't updated anymore or it didn't interest anyone anyway!

For example, if a mod would accidentally delete/move to Recycle Bin the MLP:FiM I'm pretty sure all Hell will get loose on this forum until the matter is fixed (figuratively speaking.. no wait.. don't test that). Because that thread has thousands upon thousands of views and replies.
And your whining that threads which never got passed page 2 got deleted? (figuratively speaking).

Like el oh el, read my signature, it applies to YOU!

 

[Mgeterno11]

You are right Narrat0r. I agree with you.
I can give an example: A new user posted double posts and then he was already give negreps. Well, how should he knew it?m Maybe he did not read the rules? But cannot they forgive him if he is new? I was new, too, and i double-posted. The mod warned me but he did not negreped me.
And if a mod is harsh to somebody and he is reported then of course nothing happens.

 

[ironman47]

When it comes to disputes between people or groups of people regardless of who, it can be a messy buisness trying to decide who's right and who's wrong. And staff members here are forced to play Judge to keep order.

That said your going to get some misjudgements. (the staff members are human)

And no matter how you try to convince him that it was a joke, honey badger don't care.

The problem arises when someone whether that person is a staff member, mod, new user or whatever gets judged too harshly or undeservingly (and many times thats just an opinion). But sometimes it's a fact.

In short > That's life, @@ IT UP!

I say that for my own benefit as well as yours as I too were misjudged here.

Don't get me wrong - I love this site, and I know that admins want it to be a serious community, ...I think that you should tone down the strictness

I love the above comments... And could all you @@ just stop being a **?

...I often wonder can you take a joke?

 

[Vengeancekael]

A new user posted double posts and then he was already give negreps. Well, how should he knew it?m Maybe he did not read the rules?

That doesn't usually happen unless you're just making it up. Also you can't really know if the user hadn't already double-posted beforehand

Also yes, the staff may not be that strict, but you can see what could happen when you're a bit too strict, for example, *cough* the tast thread *cough*.
Everyone raged in chat, made a thread in site discussion and eventually got opened again.
Some threads may not be very productive or that useful, but when it comes to Off-Topic, it doesn't have to be necessarily useful, but if it's fun or if it keeps the 'trolls' entertained in there and reduces trolling activity all over the site, then it would be better that way.
Other 'serious' sections however are moderated very strictly I think, for example the maps section and even the spells section, I just noticed that Paladon's Knockback system was rejected after so long of being approved.

 

[Bribe]

It was rejected because we don't have a "Deprecated" tag.

 

[Narrat0r]

Nah, this is basically how Hive works.

When that happens 3 times in a row, guy gets banned. Meh.

 

[Edhel-dur]

^
You can't be taken serious sir, the way you choose to express your problem is in a funny/comical way which I really can't see how you can be taken serious.

Second of all, an aspect I didn't mention in my previous post but is very relevant to this case

Recently I've been strolling around the Hive Recycle Bin for some lulz, you know, retards making retarded threads. However, I did find a couple of completely fine threads that were closed because the arguing in them was getting a little annoying and people were becoming ignorant. A mod's job, at least I think it is, is to close the thread and let those people know that they were being a... "little annoying", let's just put it that way.

So in other words you were bored the hell out and decided to check the Recycle Bin section. And while you were bored you discovered that the Mods are too strict? O'Rly? If that were true how come you didn't discover that Mods are too strict when you weren't bored?

Answer: Because you yourself do not care and did not notice when you were not bored. But since you were bored, you decided "heh, I'm bored, let's see, omg this make no sence to my brain. Goal achieved! Keeping myself not brain dead while bored". You follow?

 

[ironman47]

I know what I might consider a playful comment, might be viewed as harsh or vulgar to another.

We should all consider the young users of the hive. And how impressionable a young person cab be.

Maybe we should all just set a good example for others to follow.

And if someone got away with something you never could, (like bad language)
Chances are good it'll catch up to them sooner or later.

Me, I'm a playful person and I always will be, but I know that I'll have to choose my words more carefully. Like I know the waltz but I like to tango.

One last thing...

Other 'serious' sections

Could someone tell me where the funny section is?

 

[Joe-black-5]

Chat is the funny section

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

The site is strict as a necessity, the userbase is particularly volatile and due to that will easily turn just about anything into a flame war.

However, the Hive's rules are a little too forced in - threads like this and/or this get deleted why? Do they violate any rules? Do they promote piracy or advertise porn? No, it's just users casually having fun. Not every thread has to be "What is your opinion on Polymorphic Mutually Recursive Functions of Inadaptive Cromulency?" At least not outside of Medih's Tower.

The problem there is that we actually allowed threads like that before in the "Something Else" forums, it was basically our big spam forum for thread games and random posts like that. While many people enjoyed it, other users would ruin it for them, and on top of that moderating forums like that proves to be fairly difficult. I wasn't on the staff when it was deleted but I can imagine it was probably more of a hassle then it's worth and because of that things like that normally get deleted. I myself am willing to allow threads like that exist for a while but I keep a close eye on them, they turn to derp fairly quickly if left unchecked, though I have to say the "Tast" thread has surprised me so far in it's existance without becoming problematic at all, hence why we've left it open.

Especially one certain moderator which name I shall not imply here. An example? You made a joke that he didn't understand and thought it was an insult so he neg reps you and gives out a warning. And no matter how you try to convince him that it was a joke, honey badger don't care.

You're totally trying to make a global point here, definitely not making a complaint thread towards a single moderator and hiding it as a thread "for the people."

I don't know exactly what instance you are talking about or who you are talking about right there, but I'm telling you now - "It was a joke" is not a valid excuse if you broke the rules with whatever you did, "whoooops just kidding" will not get you out of punishment.

Don't get me wrong - I love this site, and I know that admins want it to be a serious community, but considering that every second user is a brony, I think that you should tone down the strictness, maybe open up some new forum sections etc.

That is inconsequential to your point, besides I don't think you realize how seriously some people take ponies haha



All in all I think it's more or less who responds to your posts, and where, how it's dealt with, some moderators are more or less lax then others so it seems quite often there's an uneven distribution of punishment depending on who sees you first. I think we need to get all the mods on the same page as far as the rules and how to enforce them so as to prevent one user being punished intensely for something another user did and just got a quick warning.

 

[Tleno]

if you find an action by me (or some other mod by any chance) unjust do not hesitate to contact me and we will discuss it ;D (I wont bite).

Why it didn't work when I did that?

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Just imagine how hard would be for any forum of such quality and attendance to be lead for maintenance by one or two persons. Moderators and Administrators are there for a reason, and as such, they have been given some powers regular users do not posses. If we were not having shiiK and Chrome as Mods in skin section, the professional artists, that section would be filled with useless crap.

The Hiveworkshop is like playing a piano. First you will need to play by the rules, but later you will play your own rhythm from your heart.

 

[Magtheridon96]

If you abide by the rules and avoid:
- Flaming
- Swearing
- Spamming
- Trolling
You'll be fine.

If you contribute:
- Skins
- Models
- Spells
- Maps
- Scripts
That's even better.

If you make sure that other users are following the rules as well, you're a great addition to the Hive community.

The Hive isn't strict at all! What's so hard about following a bunch of rules?

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

What's so hard about following a bunch of rules?

The fact that less than 1% of community red it.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Yes, i agree with you. I have a suggestion to the webmaster: after a user registered, take him automaticly and instantly to hte rules. Then he or she will really read the rules. And do not enable him to continue until he read all the rules.

@Apheraz Lucent: I read it actually. I hope, you 2 read it, too.

 

[Vengeancekael]

Yes, i agree with you. I have a suggestion to the webmaster: after a user registered, take him automaticly and instantly to hte rules. Then he or she will really read the rules. And do not enable him to continue until he read all the rules.

You can't actually make something like that, unless you actually ask the user some questions afterwards <.<

@Apheraz Lucent: I read it actually. I hope, you 2 read it, too.

To be honest, I doubt even 0.1% of the community has read the rules, but only when really needed to.

The rules page is there to 'remind' people about common things that are not allowed on almost any other site, just like flaming, trolling, spamming, etc.
And if a user does not know about these rules, he first gets warned and redirected to the rules page. If he does the same mistake again, he will get punished.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

@Apheraz Lucent: I read it actually. I hope, you 2 read it, too.

I wouldn't come this far without reading them.

Well, the answer lingers around: Hive is not strict, I just can't imagine what horror this would become without these... divine anti-idiot shackles.

 

[Bugz]

We need the rules, and someone to make users follow them.

 

[Joe-black-5]

"Isn't Mod X ... a little too strict?"
should be the question here, since 1 mod's action does not reflect the whole site's staff

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

I agree this thread is ...

 

[HFR]

I agree this thread is ...

A Waffle?

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

I agree this thread is ...

Now diamonds!

Sorry, that opportunity was too good to miss

 

[Vladadamm]

I think the hive is too strict on ressources. For example a MUI and leakless spell with minimum 2 triggers, must be accepted.

 

[Vengeancekael]

^That depends, if it's almost the same thing as Blizzard, then yeah I can imagine why it would get rejected.

 

[Vladadamm]

Except if they have more configurables things as the blizzard's spell. But it's sure, if you make the same spell, it's useless.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

That still doesn't mean that we can allow, in the lack of words, shit, to join the quality of this site. We always do our best to try to help the creator of a resource, even before it gets rejected; either with constructive criticism, either by doing material examples to help him/her.

Hive has it's name standing proud, and I don't see anything to complain about.
Let it be as it is.