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Hello, while being some time around Hive now, I would like to present my ideas of how to ... I don't think improve expresses it right.

Well, I just say here are some things, I myself, as a little user of this great site, would appreciate to see.

Pre-Note 1: The following content is meant to be in a neutral tone and neither to be offensive or accusingly. They are only friendly suggestions and I do not want to hurt anyone or decrease the value of any kind of progress that was done in the past.
As the following content only focuses on suggestions, I would like to say this is already a great site and I don't want to attack anyone by giving suggestions. The following content are little things I noticed while being on Hive.

Pre-Note 2: The following content does not pay attention to features Ralle already announced for Hive 2.0, but they might be influenced as I read parts of the corresponding text.

Pre-Note 3: Ralle, I know you are really busy and you have a hard time developing Hive 2.0. I am aware of the fact this thread may be posted at the wrong time, I also thought about posting it after Hive 2.0 is released, but then I thought it could be helpful to get some of my suggestions before harden the new Hive.
Ralle, please don't be offended or pissed by this thread, as I said, you did and do a great job and I would like to contribute a little piece to this masterpiece.
I would be glad if you are pleased by this.


Pre-Note 1: The following content is meant to be in a neutral tone and neither to be offensive or accusingly. They are only friendly suggestions and I do not want to hurt anyone or decrease the value of any kind of progress that was done in the past.
As the following content only focuses on suggestions, I would like to say this is already a great site and I don't want to attack anyone by giving suggestions. The following content are little things I noticed while being on Hive.

Pre-Note 2: The following content does not pay attention to features Ralle already announced for Hive 2.0, but they might be influenced as I read parts of the corresponding text.

Pre-Note 3: Ralle, I know you are really busy and you have a hard time developing Hive 2.0. I am aware of the fact this thread may be posted at the wrong time, I also thought about posting it after Hive 2.0 is released, but then I thought it could be helpful to get some of my suggestions before harden the new Hive.
Ralle, please don't be offended or pissed by this thread, as I said, you did and do a great job and I would like to contribute a little piece to this masterpiece.
I would be glad if you are pleased by this.


Note: The category 'Importance for Hive' is not based on statistics or objective facts, but guessed by myself.

Classification Short Description Detailed DescriptionImportance for HivePossible Problems


Social Groups
Please add an option to allow social group maintainers to assign group moderators Giving the option to assign group moderators will allow a better and faster control of group threads. Additional, inactive maintainer won't be a greater problem anymore.**Power abuse


Resource Section
Please add an additional part in the resource thread of an uploaded resource for variations This can be color variations or icon tiers, different map versions, like different terrain or other game modes on the same map. Offering space, the resource ( especially the icon ) section won't be spammed with simple edits and variations*** Bad overview about resources, slightly decreases importance of packs


BB-Code, Posting
Please add more BB-shortcutsMany users are complaining about lacking BB-shortcuts when creating map threads or posts. Instead of having to look on the BB list, this would allow users to create faster threads, descriptions and detailed posts.*** -


User Control Panel
Please add an option to view the full reputation historyA detailed list of who gave you reputation or which resource was really appreciated could give creators nice statistics.**favoritism


Tutorial Section
Please add sub-categoriesAdding sub-categories like 'Quests' or 'Icons' could greatly increase the search progress and to help especially newbies to get exactly into the tutorials they want to see*** Many sub-categories could make the tutorial section look too filled and they are lost in details


Moderators
Please add 'Skin Moderator'While there aren't many skins currently, I think it would be a good idea to add this position, as a skin moderator could fully focus on skins and wouldn't be troubled because he is called 'Resource Moderator'** -


Albums
Please add an option to create sub-albumsI often wish there would be the opportunity to create sub-albums. Especially for 2D-Artists it is very useful as they may have multiple work stages and they don't want to spam their 2D-Album because they want to show a progress. *** -


Resource Section
( Skins and Icons)
Please add the opportunity to add WIP signifaction to an uploaded resource This needs further explanation. Basically, I think there is a feature missing to upload WIP in the resource section without giving the opportunity to download it. What is the difference to the system we have now ? Adding an option to the skin or icon upload that marks a resource as WIP resource will disable download option. Why you may ask. This allows artists to upload 2D skins and icons without having to fear it gets a 'Need a fix' and therefore it vanishes from the section. But, a WIP resource would allow artists to get feedback and comments on their work and after their work meets the requirements of Hive and the artists feel ready to upload it, then they can deselect the WIP selection in the update menu and can upload an approved/ pending resource. Only Hive users will be able to see WIP resources. Additionally, this could be extended to create a sub-group of artists and moderators that will focus on WIP resources. Of course, this may be too much. ***Abuse of the WIP option, creators could use this option to show their work, with no intention to give access to the resource itself ( maybe set a time limit on a WIP resource)


User Interface
Please give an option to the User Control Panel to edit the little user information that show your name with link to user profile, last visit and notifications. threadsGiving the option to edit it, users could add additional lines that show, as example, private messages, visitor messages and new post amount of subscribed posts** -


Resource Section
Please add some new tags for the resource section
Please add
  • the type 'Racing' to the map section
  • the Category: Other: 'Ancient' / 'Ancient Culture' to 2D and 3D resource section ( prehistoric does not match Egypt or Roman types)
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Resource Section
Please add a better information or add an option to view all skins / icons for a specific default unit
You sometimes ask yourself, what skins are uploaded on Hive for the VillagerWoman, OrcGrunt, ... ? Although there is a little field to fill in what unit will be affected by the skin, it does not has influence on the search itself, I think. Many creators also do not tagged their resources right or well, therefore some treasures are lost in the catalog of resources. A new option would allow players to view skins / icons dependent on the Blizzard Resource. Selecting the VillagerWoman would show all skins that are available for her.
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Threads
Please add an option to create a private threadMany users demanded this feature. Private threads, only accessible for added users ( and staff, of course) will allow a better map development. Creators can work on their maps without having to fear, that someone copies the map. Additionally, if users can create sub-threads within the thread, creators could differ between terraining, triggering and game play without interfering other sections. A terrainer won't be notificated each time a great discussion about a certain trigger starts, but only if a terrain matter is on the table. This feature is similar to the 'Hosted Project' section, but would be much more independent from the rules concerning hosted projects*** Staff would have to pay attention to these threads, as users within the private thread may hurt rules.
Therefore, maybe limit the use of private threads only for maps that reached a certain stage of work or seem to be very promising.



 

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Great suggestions except probably the last one. Doubtlessly, a lot of people will benefit from private threads yet this might have more drawbacks than you listed. The worst possible one is that people will prefer private threads over public threads, leaving countless users out from discussions and making them unable to release their suggestions. Some unadded users could give better suggestions and recommendations than added ones.
 
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if you want private threads, make a closed group and post your private goodies in there.

The link is abstract, but I doubt anyone has problem with that, since it has been mentioned and posted on hive countless times and noone gave a shit up to this day
 

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That link actually only gives you your own history. As long as you don't have higher permissions, the u parameter is irrelevant. You can't delete given epenis points either, without permissions.

Oh that's good. Give me an 'Delete' button and I probably will press it by accident...

Great suggestions except probably the last one. Doubtlessly, a lot of people will benefit from private threads yet this might have more drawbacks than you listed. The worst possible one is that people will prefer private threads over public threads, leaving countless users out from discussions and making them unable to release their suggestions. Some unadded users could give better suggestions and recommendations than added ones.
I agree, although I would say that a map that has achieved a Beta stage and which is under closed development would profit from this. Experienced map-makers maybe don't need suggestions on certain stages of work. They can also open a traditional map development thread to get suggestions, feedback and ideas whereas privates thread could give them some room on Hive to work.

if you want private threads, make a closed group and post your private goodies in there.

The link is abstract, but I doubt anyone has problem with that, since it has been mentioned and posted on hive countless times and noone gave a shit up to this day
Someone said, I cannot remember who, maybe Ralle, but I don't know, that it is not recommend to open a social group for map making as it could result into spamming social groups. I say this without engagement
Of course, map-creators could also use Skype, Mail or other ways to communicate, but I think it would be nice to have it focused on Hive. Speeds up the progress and gives some organisation.
 

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About the Skin Moderator, actually...

Most moderators have certain area of expertise, the Resources Moderator is General tag on them. But that doesn't necessarily means they're expertise in all areas. They're also mostly privileged in their areas.

Well, as there is a Icon Moderator and a Model Moderator (?) I thought this would be a nice addition as I see no reason why there shouldn't be this title.
 
We used to have all moderators state their specific areas of expertise, this was dumped in favour of "resource moderator" to allow overlap in skills and also generally enable those who aren't particularly specialised to moderate in the other sections (when the case is very clear cut) - essentially this is calling for a reversion of these changes. Though for my particular field (spell section) these changes have never made any difference

I can't say I support the idea of private threads - it would have to be so closely regulated in order to prevent abuse of particular users being excluded from participation and I do not think we have a sufficient staffing to incorporate

Other than that, I imagine most of these features will be included in, or be considered for Hive 2.0 (whenever that comes out) needless to say these changes will probably not come into effect during the current version of the hive though alot of these ideas are fairly useful
 

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I can't say I support the idea of private threads - it would have to be so closely regulated in order to prevent abuse of particular users being excluded from participation and I do not think we have a sufficient staffing to incorporate

Hm I see. Projects that are already into development will probably rather become a Hosted project then.
I still think it is a good idea, in case it is limited and very strict to use them.
But I get all of your points and this point seems less useful now than it seems before.
 
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well the thing is, if you are resource moderator, you can go and lock inappropriate threads on any resource, so for instance someone that basically moderates icons can go and pull down model if he thinks its appropriate. But if we split it, then you will be stuck with the abomianation model up until some model moderator doesnt kick in. And sometimes, whole groups of mods are busy with other things, so you end up with whole sections probably unmoderated for maybe even days(I dont think this happens, but it can realistically happen)
 

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well the thing is, if you are resource moderator, you can go and lock inappropriate threads on any resource, so for instance someone that basically moderates icons can go and pull down model if he thinks its appropriate. But if we split it, then you will be stuck with the abomianation model up until some model moderator doesnt kick in. And sometimes, whole groups of mods are busy with other things, so you end up with whole sections probably unmoderated for maybe even days(I dont think this happens, but it can realistically happen)

Oh, this is a point I didn't think about. It makes sense not to split then, of course, although it does not occur THAT often that a resource has to be removed as fast as possible due to a whole lack of anything.
 
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