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[Svetli]

Great map!

 

[MysteryMaze]

Great map!

Thank you man! Your words are appreciated

 

[mafe]

That is very close to perfect, both in terms of looks and gameplay. A few minor things you might reconsider:
-Merc camps: Units can be bought without killing creeps. They will spawn in a much better position in the southwest than in the northeast. However in the NE, one can build a farm in range of the camp, whereas that is not possible in the SW.
-I would expect that it will occasionally happen that units will walk past the big red camps and get attacked.

 

[MysteryMaze]

That is very close to perfect, both in terms of looks and gameplay. A few minor things you might reconsider:
-Merc camps: Units can be bought without killing creeps. They will spawn in a much better position in the southwest than in the northeast. However in the NE, one can build a farm in range of the camp, whereas that is not possible in the SW.
-I would expect that it will occasionally happen that units will walk past the big red camps and get attacked.

Thank you for your thorough feedback!

-Merc camps: Units spawning location adjusted by using deep water and now they are within the range of creeps. I changed lv3 ogres to troll trappers to trap hired units. Farm construction was made possible from both sides.
-Red camp aggro issue: Solved by placing removable rocks. Rock were set to 10% of hp to be broken easily.

Thank you again.

 

[WolfFarkas]

Hello there, nice map, another great work for the contest I agree with mafe about the mercenary camps

1) I think you should move the green creep camp to the unused area
2) You can add more wood to the edge expanding bases

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3) those rocks can be more atractive with plants and mushrooms.

nice desing, nice enviroment, I check the loot and I think is good too.


rating 4/5 (I will consider my final rate after reading the mod review)

 

[MysteryMaze]

Hello there, nice map, another great work for the contest I agree with mafe about the mercenary camps

1) I think you should move the green creep camp to the unused area
2) You can add more wood to the edge expanding bases

image

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3) those rocks can be more atractive with plants and mushrooms.

nice desing, nice enviroment, I check the loot and I think is good too.


rating 4/5 (I will consider my final rate after reading the mod review)

Thank you for your feedback!

1) Which green camp are you referring to? Murlocs? They were placed there to draw players to open spaces.
2) A base too expanded will render it unprotected. Yet, some trees are moved by one block for more space.
3) Those rocks are vulnerable. Once they are destroyed, remaining doodads will look awkward.

I decorated them as much as possible within the confines of natural look.

 

[WolfFarkas]

Thank you for your feedback!

1) Which green camp are you referring to? Murlocs? They were placed there to draw players to open spaces.
2) A base too expanded will render it unprotected. Yet, some trees are moved by one block for more space.
3) Those rocks are vulnerable. Once they are destroyed, remaining doodads will look awkward.

I decorated them as much as possible within the confines of natural look.

1) Yeah well nice theory but, creeps to near is not that good, it seems like you don´t have other place to put them wich you have, the area I marked is unused, just decorating, is a pity not put something usefull there. Maybe some trees to block between the mercenary camp and the green creep.

If I were you I would move them without doubt, it si not about draw other players or what ever theory, open creeps to near are not a standard thing and if you are a newby in wc3 or you click bad you can be pincered with that creep display.
This is my last attempt to try convincing you, your map, you are the boss, do what you wish.


3) about decorating rocks
my bad for being ambiguous, not that rocks, these rocks:

imagerocksdecor

 

[Svetli]

It would be good to add a change log, so we can see the updates.

 

[MysteryMaze]

1) Yeah well nice theory but, creeps to near is not that good, it seems like you don´t have other place to put them wich you have, the area I marked is unused, just decorating, is a pity not put something usefull there. Maybe some trees to block between the mercenary camp and the green creep.

If I were you I would move them without doubt, it si not about draw other players or what ever theory, open creeps to near are not a standard thing and if you are a newby in wc3 or you click bad you can be pincered with that creep display.
This is my last attempt to try convincing you, your map, you are the boss, do what you wish.


3) about decorating rocks
my bad for being ambiguous, not that rocks, these rocks:

imagerocksdecor

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Above is the creep dispersal and blue circles indicate creeps leading to lv3.
If I move the murlocs to where you mentioned, they would be way too near the course, and I just wouldn't let players to stick near their bases.
Many competitive maps do have green camps close to center or in somewhat remote area and that is what I'm looking for.

And you shouldn't call me a newbie LOL. I was offered a melee map reviewer's position a few month ago.


As for the rocks, I would like to leave them as they are. I think they look good.
Thanks for your suggestions though.

It would be good to add a change log, so we can see the updates.

Thanks for telling. I will add them!

 

[WolfFarkas]

Above is the creep dispersal and blue circles indicate creeps leading to lv3.
If I move the murlocs to where you mentioned, they would be way too near the course, and I just wouldn't let players to stick near their bases.
Many competitive maps do have green camps close to center or in somewhat remote area and that is what I'm looking for.

And you shouldn't call me a newbie LOL. I was offered a melee map reviewer's position a few month ago.


As for the rocks, I would like to leave them as they are. I think they look good.
Thanks for your suggestions though.




Thanks for telling. I will add them!

Important message: I did not call you newby with the editor/game and/or it was not my intention if you think it.

my bad grammar, now I see my mistake in redacting, have my formal apology.

I said as hipothetical situation if you or me plays wc3 as a newby, if a newby does not play well or bad clicks he can get pincered

"if you are a newby in wc3 or you click bad you can be pincered with that creep display." I was talking about the game not the editor

I say this as you need to know the creeps are in camp so they wont get you, but newby users can feel discouraged by this display, I will be attacked? Also if you are figthing the green creep and the enemy appears from behind the escape is reduced, and the running player can collide with the orange creeps,

Note: I am not trying to convince you or being a heavy user, just to fix my mistake of what I wanted to say in my post before.

 

[MysteryMaze]

Important message: I did not call you newby with the editor,

my bad grammar, now I see my mistake in redacting, have my formal apologize.

I said as hipothetical situation if you or me plays wc3 as a newby, if a newby does not play well or bad clicks he can get pincered

"if you are a newby in wc3 or you click bad you can be pincered with that creep display." I was talking about the game not the editor
I say this as you need to know the creeps are in camp so they wont get you, but newby users can feel discouraged by this display, I will be attacked?

I think I got you wrong. My bad, have my apology!

 

[WolfFarkas]

I think I got you wrong. My bad, have my apology!

No, you have my apology... it was my fault at first place for bad redacting.

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[MysteryMaze]

No, you have my apology... it was my fault at first place for bad redacting.

Ragnaros17 and MysteryMaze continued apologizing each other to the end of the times, the legend says the post reached 79014 message of apology between then. The case is well remembered in the Hive even now in year 2250.

I moved the creeps slightly farther away from the merc so as to avoid collision.

Thanks, buddy!

 

[deepstrasz]

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1. Avoid using that black boundary or what's it called as it makes the map look ugly where it is. You could use pathing blockers instead if you want to create a bent map border.
2. Runes block building pathing (expansions).
3. None of the expansions have enough trees. Night Elves are advantaged.
4. Some of the seaweed is not on shallow water but on bricks and it moves. Looks weird.
5. Undead might be vulnerable to ground attacks in the mid expansion sites due to thin tree arrangements. Keeper of the Grove/Blood Mage+/-Attack Ground units.

Approved.

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[MysteryMaze]

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1. Avoid using that black boundary or what's it called as it makes the map look ugly where it is. You could use pathing blockers instead if you want to create a bent map border.
2. Runes block building pathing (expansions).
3. None of the expansions have enough trees. Night Elves are advantaged.
4. Some of the seaweed is not on shallow water but on bricks and it moves. Looks weird.
5. Undead might be vulnerable to ground attacks in the mid expansion sites due to thin tree arrangements. Keeper of the Grove/Blood Mage+/-Attack Ground units.

Approved.

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I hid the screenshots. Thank you for such useful information!

1. I removed all of them.
2. Runes moved to entrance. They might work as tower construction blockage in some way( watch screenshot ).
3. Fixed ( watch screenshot )
4. Fixed.
5. Some additional trees have been placed. I don't much worry about such issue as heroes such as Blood Mage and Kofg are the ones rarely used by pros, but still. ( watch screenshot )

Thanks for your feedback

 

[VendaV]

Nice map, but I think so AI can't attack red camps because of stones (melee AI would not attack stones - similar with gates).

 

[MysteryMaze]

Nice map, but I think so AI can't attack red camps because of stones (melee AI would not attack stones - similar with gates).

Yeaa I've also noticed that. But since this map is intended for pvp, I think it is fine.

But thanks for telling!

 

[mafe]

To fix the "units-walk-past-red-camp-and-get-killed"-problem, it shouldve been enough to block only one of the two entrances with destructable rocks. At least if there is no special interaction betwwen destructable rocks and units pathing, but I dont think so. Then there is no big problem with AI either anymore.

 

[MysteryMaze]

To fix the "units-walk-past-red-camp-and-get-killed"-problem, it shouldve been enough to block only one of the two entrances with destructable rocks. At least if there is no special interaction betwwen destructable rocks and units pathing, but I dont think so. Then there is no big problem with AI either anymore.

I have tried it with one side, but it didn't work Units would still enter the red zone but unable to get out. It was like no wayout for AI.

 

[MysteryMaze]

About more organically connected creeping routes

Before1/16 Update

After1/16 Update