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If DoTA is uploaded to hive.. What is your Rating?

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0/5. Why? It doesn't give credit to hive members who made models for it. Period.

It is not a reason to give it a 0/5. Base it in Gameplay, credits is just a component but still can reduce rating. It might be rejected because it doesnt give credits but you can see rejected maps still receives proper rating like 1-3/5. 0/5 is just a bad rating.
 
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It's not only for that, alot of reasons such as Warcraft is not made to be known as DotA.

Warcraft without Dota is same as half-life without counter-strike. Counter Strike is much more famous, and no one care that it was a mode for half-life.
And without Dota warcraft was not able to have such big modmaking community as hive workshop, cause 70% of modmakers get thier start on affect from dota (as an example of created based on wc3 product), and inspiration from some other popular shit (book, movie, anime). Think for a moment that hiveworkshop as an huge community with thousand visitors per day would not exist without dota.
 
I think that I feel a little... Tension in this thread.
Ah the predictable Dota in the OP forum.

I am not actually jelly of Dota, there actual fan base around the Oceania rooms that are a friendly bunch(atleast to me) even though I am not an above average player.
There are some great players there. I only play on various occasions though.

Now to the actual map itself.
Yes the terrain does use all default Wc3 model material with the terrain landscaping, although it has been set out for strategy rounded and compact. For instance the trees, they can be used to cut down and eat, even move for a path of escape. There is even a hero that uses a spell to trap units with trees.
The cliffs are used for many strategy based combats and "get aways".
Dota does actually use finely set out tiles though that make well made sense.
That is pretty much it for the terrain other than some eye candy shrubs and a default Wc3 model to suit the magic of Dota.
One thing that does "get" to terrainers minds is the completely flat terrain that is only changed by cliff level.

I believe it stayed this was as it was how the map developed it's popularity.
It was kept simple, and not to fancy as the default use of models used in it where already up to scratch. Changing how the terrain was designed would be a risk that IceFrog probably wasn't willing to take on the community to be official.


According to Mags research the code isn't done really spectacular. Hell I even noticed unnecessary lag myself. I wouldn't think that IceFrog actually cared about perfect code as long as it was done the way he wanted to and it functioned fine. He left it as he wanted as he would know that basicaly none of the user-base would know nor care.


To sum it all up with the game play, it is quite nice with the possibility of how many heroes there are to choose from and how many item combinations are possible for how many team and non team based strategies to crunch, it can only get more fun the more you play it if you have already been enjoying it for a while. All these themes are also very well balanced as well and are fun to "mix and match".
The Game-Play does run down to be cartoony and that is what the terrain and how Wc3 was originally set out to be like.

Overall I would give it a 4.5/5.
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I believe that I have writen enough about this it is 1AM and I should be asleep...
 
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Too much shit talk guys, just rate the bloody map and say why...

I'd rate it 5/5. In my opinion it is already perfect. I strongly disagree with any arguements that the terrain is lacking. Too many maps place too much emphasis into terrain and the end result is massive waterfalls, huge trees that take up large portions of your screen, etc. It looks beautiful, but lets not forget its a COMPLETE distraction from the actual game. Harder to see your character, etc. Dota has simple but effective terrain. Being basic but still nice to the eye.

I feel dota is well made simply because it excels in its genre. There are a lot of heroes to pick from, with every one being unique, logical, interesting and fun to play. The mapping allows lane phases, ganking, stealth and more. I'd also like to mention there are very few to no bugs and no lag. It provides a nice scoring system, and scoreboard, etc. It has nice extra features like a timer to record the eclapsed time and things like selecting the music and weather you want to play on top of the game.

There is so much dota can do and it does it very well. Before you cry about balance, I think Icefrog does a good job. I can even argue that it's more balanced than the bigger games like LoL and HoN. Balance is not easy to do, and the topic can get very subjective.
 
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Too much shit talk guys, just rate the bloody map and say why...

I'd rate it 5/5. In my opinion it is already perfect. I strongly disagree with any arguements that the terrain is lacking. Too many maps place too much emphasis into terrain and the end result is massive waterfalls, huge trees that take up large portions of your screen, etc. It looks beautiful, but lets not forget its a COMPLETE distraction from the actual game. Harder to see your character, etc.

I feel dota is well made simply because it excels in its genre. There are a lot of heroes to pick from, with every one being unique, logical, interesting and fun to play. The mapping allows lane phases, ganking, stealth and more. I'd also like to mention there are very few to no bugs and no lag. It provides a nice scoring system, and scoreboard, etc. It has nice extra features like a timer to record the eclapsed time and things like selecting the music and weather you want to play on top of the game.

There is so much dota can do and it does it very well. Before you cry about balance, I think Icefrog does a good job. I can even argue that it's more balanced than the bigger games like LoL and HoN. Balance is not easy to do, and the topic can get very subjective.

I fully agree.
 
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It's either popular or it's a ghost town. That's just how things work these days. There's no in between anymore.
 
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too much shit talk guys, just rate the bloody map and say why...

I'd rate it 5/5. In my opinion it is already perfect. I strongly disagree with any arguements that the terrain is lacking. Too many maps place too much emphasis into terrain and the end result is massive waterfalls, huge trees that take up large portions of your screen, etc. It looks beautiful, but lets not forget its a complete distraction from the actual game. Harder to see your character, etc. Dota has simple but effective terrain. Being basic but still nice to the eye.

I feel dota is well made simply because it excels in its genre. There are a lot of heroes to pick from, with every one being unique, logical, interesting and fun to play. The mapping allows lane phases, ganking, stealth and more. I'd also like to mention there are very few to no bugs and no lag. It provides a nice scoring system, and scoreboard, etc. It has nice extra features like a timer to record the eclapsed time and things like selecting the music and weather you want to play on top of the game.

There is so much dota can do and it does it very well. Before you cry about balance, i think icefrog does a good job. I can even argue that it's more balanced than the bigger games like lol and hon. Balance is not easy to do, and the topic can get very subjective.

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Too much shit talk guys, just rate the bloody map and say why...

I'd rate it 5/5. In my opinion it is already perfect. I strongly disagree with any arguements that the terrain is lacking. Too many maps place too much emphasis into terrain and the end result is massive waterfalls, huge trees that take up large portions of your screen, etc. It looks beautiful, but lets not forget its a COMPLETE distraction from the actual game. Harder to see your character, etc. Dota has simple but effective terrain. Being basic but still nice to the eye.

I feel dota is well made simply because it excels in its genre. There are a lot of heroes to pick from, with every one being unique, logical, interesting and fun to play. The mapping allows lane phases, ganking, stealth and more. I'd also like to mention there are very few to no bugs and no lag. It provides a nice scoring system, and scoreboard, etc. It has nice extra features like a timer to record the eclapsed time and things like selecting the music and weather you want to play on top of the game.

There is so much dota can do and it does it very well. Before you cry about balance, I think Icefrog does a good job. I can even argue that it's more balanced than the bigger games like LoL and HoN. Balance is not easy to do, and the topic can get very subjective.

I fully agree for everything you said (especially about the terrain).Dota is about the gameplay and not the damn terrain and graphics.
There is also a lot of commands to modify your gameplay (change water's color, play music, change weather...) and a f*ckton of game modes.I also heard (and saw in videos) that you can change the terrain's look(ashvale, northreand, barrens, sunken, etc.).

The only reason I stopped playing dota, after almost 2 years, are players.
1.you play with/vs. noobs/leavers/nerds/afkers/hackers/trolls/etc.=0 gameplay
2.you play with/vs. normal players (aka pros for some)=normal (nice) and fun game
3.you play with your own team (lan, friends, etc.)=epic game

Reasons that people hate it (I suppose) are the credits (What if I told you that some people make models for dota on purpose?http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/members/infrisios/#userresources), gameplay (if you don't like it, don't play it.it's gona stay the way it is) and overrated (I kinda agree for this one).

I can't judge the codes, since I have no idea about them, but as long as it's lag and bug free, they are good enough.Few times there was deep lag for some spells, and Icefrog would instantly release a new version with a fix.(Void's timewalk, Phoenix's sunray)

Balancing?Every hero has its cons and pros and great combos.

In the end I would give it a 6/5 for all years of hard work, balancing and improvement through the time.It's not uberly modified as Mass destructionm Requiem or Paranoia, but if you want dota to have better graphics, just go and play dota 2.

Haters gona hate.
 
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0/5. Why? It doesn't give credit to hive members who made models for it. Period.

It gives it to some, but not all. For example, IcyGhost by PrMosquito is credited: http://www.playdota.com/changelogs/6.65, under the second spoiler. Infrisios is also credited.I think IceFrog removed Illidan(Evil)X and JetFangInferno from the credit list o_o

Although really, this is a rather (imo) weak argument to say why it's 0/5, but I couldn't be bothered to justify it. So whatever.

The shit talk is the fun part

This :D
 
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Lmao, this thread ask for rating and if someone throw a 0,1,2/5 score he'll instantly get flamed.

Anyway I'll probably rate it around 3 or 4. Its replay value is really high because of many possible combinations of heroes you and your teammates can lineup and the combinations of items your hero(damn 100+ hero) can carry. The gameplay is fairly simple but fun and can be competitive at times if you're matched with pro players and there is no such thing as perfectly balance map and Dota is no exception but the huge amount of heroes and items sometimes do the difference against overpowered heroes. I'm a sucker on terrain and I really hate this part of Dota. Come on, terrain on Warcraft 3 modding is important and most of the users here know how hard it is deliver a neat terrain and people who visits here to download maps appreciate a well made terrain. We're a modding site where terrain needs to be done with hardwork and a lot of time with small models available because World Editor is to weak of an engine to handle big chunks of models.


Warcraft 3 is lucky to have Dota since its serves to be a big advertisement and keeps the game alive for years unlike games like Battle Realms who spent a lot of time innovating RTS games but just failed to gain audiences that it actually deserves.
 
0/5. Why? It doesn't give credit to hive members who made models for it. Period.


Explain me one thing, map with no credits:
Diablo III Warcraft - gived no directly credits, and it is most downloaded map
Diablo III by Boody - no name for model creators and that map is DC,
WoA by SerbianBeast A not even mention credits and that map earned DC rating,


So are this maps 0/5 so stop with shit.
 

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It works quite simply:
You dislike the map -> "OMG NOOB YOU NO KNOW ANYTIN' YAR MAPS ARE EVEN WORSE REPORT OMG STAHP SHET TALK ~11~11!!1!111ONE"
You like the map -> "Yes, and I'm sick of this shit talk too."
 

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You can dislike DotA and not be a complete retard by rating it 2/5.

So the map is that perfect, that you have to call me a retard when I rate it 2/5? Seriously? That's your excuse?
And Dfq above post I never said gameplay was complete 5/5 o_O

+ Didn't you just prove my point? You pretty much did. Give it a bad rating and WOW 2 posts in such a short time banging their heads on it! Disgrace of community.
 
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Explain me one thing, map with no credits:
Diablo III Warcraft - gived no directly credits, and it is most downloaded map
Diablo III by Boody - no name for model creators and that map is DC,
WoA by SerbianBeast A not even mention credits and that map earned DC rating,

Diablo III Warcraft has a credit list just under Change log in the game's download topic

Models:

- Xezko
- levigeorge1617
- Archian
- expresso
- Afronight_76
- Vestras
- General Frank
- Cavman
- Midnighters
- FrIkY
- Misha

Skins:

- Mr.Goblin
- Cycloverid

Icons:

- CRAZYRUSSIAN
- Skrik
- Mr. Frank (Spire Inc.)

Other Systems:

- Paladon


Diablo III by Broody has a complete credit list in the game's download topic

Icons:

- CRAZYRUSSIAN
- Skrik
- Mr. Frank (Spire Inc.)


Models / Skins:

- shamanyouranus
- Pyramidhe@d
- Taylor_Mouse
- Pinachet
- Dan van Ohllus
- Fan
- ironmaiden
- Dionesiist
- Just_Spectating
- Cloudwolf
- Mr.Goblin
- Tr!KzZ
- Cycloverid
- The_Silent
- Sellenisko
- HappyTauren
- SuPa-
- Archian
- 67chrome
- Callahan
- Cavman
- Nasrudin
- Denu
- Ampharos_222
- Boneknight
- WILL THE ALMIGHTY
- rain.mon
- Xezko
- levigeorge1617
- expresso
- Afronight_76
- Vestras
- General Frank
- Midnighters
- FrIkY
- Misha
- Kitaba
- xXm0rpH3usXx
- JetFangInferno
- Minox
- Illidan(Evil)X
- Amigurumi
- Just_Spectating

Trigger Systems:

- hell gate

improved descriptions, grammar errors corrected

- Vengeancekael
- Ebisux
- IronForge
- Clan 13sA


Woa also has a credit list

Credits

Models: WoW, WILL THE ALMIGHTY, General Frank, republicola, shamanyouranus, Misha.
Skins: /
Icons: WoW, CRAZYRUSSIAN, ajoj11, Deon.
Tutorials/Systems: /
Loading Screen/Map Preview Image: /
Other: Arowanna92 (base of this map introduction), Beli Zeka, Kole, boki90, Bl@ckbolt, Freelancah, -Kobas- (testers, ideas, improvements).


So erm?
 
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Doesn't DotA also have a credits list? Pretty certain they eventually moved it to playdota, but it used to be in the quests and everything. Did they start omitting people later?
 
I would rate Dota 5/5, even though I despise it. It's still done well with a lot of time, effort, and skill put into it.

But the ridiculously hardcore community ruins it. People don't play a 10-year-old game for hardcore dotaheads to scream at them nonstop if they do anything differently than what their guide says. Hell, even if you're kicking ass, people still talk shit to you and call you a noob if you don't play your class the way everybody else does.

It's ridiculous; Dota is completely unenjoyable with the way its community behaves. I haven't played it in years, but I'm pretty sure they're still the same way. If I wanted to play a videogame and listen to a bunch of idiots on the internet with both my allies and enemies talking shit and bitching nonstop, I'd fucking play call of duty. I come on warcraft to relax on oldschool maps with other relaxed people.

Anyway, enough of that rant, you get my point: Map: 5/5, Community: 0/5.
 
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I also agree with the community getting 0/5. I mean just go to Garena play with other people and when you are too weak for them sometimes they will kick you out of the game and also sometimes attack you with painful words such as "noob", "weak" and other terms. And in the opposite, when you are too imba for them, they insult you too.

My own votation: Dota 4/5. Community 2/5.
 

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The community chooses the game. Compare 2 communities like Minecraft and DotA. In Minecraft, not a single rage or anything will happen, clearly cause the game is creative and more intellectual required. DotA on the other hand...like it's mentioned in posts above, everyone starts raging and crying all day long...
My point: The more primitive the game is, the more primitive community you'll get.
 
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The community chooses the game. Compare 2 communities like Minecraft and DotA. In Minecraft, not a single rage or anything will happen, clearly cause the game is creative and more intellectual required. DotA on the other hand...like it's mentioned in posts above, everyone starts raging and crying all day long...
My point: The more primitive the game is, the more primitive community you'll get.

Agreed!
 
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The community chooses the game. Compare 2 communities like Minecraft and DotA. In Minecraft, not a single rage or anything will happen, clearly cause the game is creative and more intellectual required. DotA on the other hand...like it's mentioned in posts above, everyone starts raging and crying all day long...
My point: The more primitive the game is, the more primitive community you'll get.

Everybody has to remeber that its not Dota's (by which I mean the game or creator) fault that the community is terrible. The problem is there is no efforts made by anybody to improve the community.

Let me take League of Legends (LoL) for example. LoL matches you with opponents of a similar level and skill to you. This helps noobs to not be flamed by frequent players. People of roughly the same skill level play with you. Additionally there is a lot of effort to prevent leavers. Automatic and manual reports for leaving players, strict and maintained banlist, timeouts of early exit, abiltiy to rejoin games, etc. To top it all off, the is an "honour" system. This allows people to honour players who are good sports. Simply put, people are rewarded for being nice, good sports, or helpful. Medals are dished out if you are honoured enough.

Ask yourself, what efforts are put towards Dota's community? Nothing other than 3rd party programs which only a small minority uses. Ask yourself, what can Icefrog do? Nothing. What can Blizzard do? The game has stopped receiving patches. Besides, only an expansion would be big enough to change Battlenet custom game matchmaking.

There is sadly no fix to Dota's community. You also cannot compare Minecraft to Dota though. Dota is a competitive game where one side loses and one wins. Minecraft is well. Well.................... I dont like Minecraft.
 
..., there actual fan base around the Oceania rooms that are a friendly bunch(atleast to me) even though I am not an above average player.
There are some great players there. I only play on various occasions though.
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Common guys not every part of the community of Dota's fanbase are full of ragers and 12 year old kids that are let to do whatever they want by there parents care.
 

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Hahaha no.
Minecraft is basically a griefing contest.

Please do tell me you've visited 20 servers to say that. Of course if you joined some Polish server with 12 year old kids to host it the community in there will be bad. Do you have official 20$ Minecraft? Have you tried their servers? Please do not post this if you didn't try this like I have.

@Radicool, I agree with a lot of things in it, you've got a plenty of point. But in fact, there're some things that Icefrog/Riot can do for DotA/LoL. If they make the game much harder in terms of intelligence, and make it more complicated for builds in general, there simply won't be raging idiots who'll play it. Why? Because they can't. They wouldn't be able to think with their own minds, which would then be essential. You gave a pretty well example with LoL, as it's in my opinion the worst community I've found. There's a reason behind this though, there are so many guides, each pretty much saying the same thing about the heroes/champions, where no player invents something new that is obviously a lot better than the current guides. This type of thinking simply brings a very low skill cap (intellectual in this case), and thus the community is based on that.
 
Please do tell me you've visited 20 servers to say that.
Far more than that.
Of course if you joined some Polish server with 12 year old kids to host it the community in there will be bad.
The public servers tend to be cesspools of trolling regardless of who is in charge.
 

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Far more than that.

The public servers tend to be cesspools of trolling regardless of who is in charge.

You're aware that to join that server you need an already bought minecraft account, where griefing leads to permanent ban and if you really want to join that server again you kinda need to waste another 20$? Are we really talking about same type (Premier) of servers?

And another thing. Get a bunch of friends to play with. First play 10 games of LoL/DotA, and sooner or later one of you will rage at each other (If not all). Then play minecraft. If your friends are average or above they won't grief each other but on the contrary they'll be creative and do some interesting and difficult redstone mechanisms.
 
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Minecraft multiplayer is pritty bad, the admins cant protect the whole world from grief. In a few months the land turns into waste, all the trees are cut down or left floating, all the animals are slain, the villages are erased and somehow most of the players have atleast a hundred diamonds. Minecraft is made for singleplayer guys.
 
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I must say, just saw thread and needed to see every page because I knew people will argue so hard wether it's godd or it isn't.

I personally like Dota, bexause there are so many heroes to play with, so many items to combine and make your hero imba
The terrain is awesomeness, because there are many good spots to gang, instantly blink on an upper part so enemies can't reach you etc...
It quickly eats time tho, but hey, I dont mind :D

Anyway, 5/5. Very good job IceFrog
 
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