Gideon - Wrath Of The Olds Ones I

[Moderator]

15:49, 7th May 2015
Orcnet:

Krolan's review: LINK

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

I dunno about self-contained, that sequel hook is pretty brazen.

You probably want to look at the creep experience and bounty rates -- I had comfortably hit level 15 long before Coheed dropped that Tome of Power, and had a phenomenal amounts of money. (Black Market man had nothing on me before I'd even found the goblin town to buy middling kit.)

Could also have done cinematic mode during conversations, I accidentally reselected people when they were still talking and got the conversation running twice several times. I'm not saying you need to go nuts, but letterbox mode and a few camera angles would go down nicely.

The lack of a quest log was also a bit off-putting.

Otherwise, though, not bad.

 

[Binsu]

The map pretty much needs work to me. I also agree to all of what Rao Dao Zao and knowing he is a great map maker in my own opinion.

It is quite easy to get lost in this game because it lacks a quest log where quests are stored. I also had the issues of having to talked to NPC twice and thus which makes the conversation a disaster. Better turn on Cinematic Mode or Letter Box mode.

Also, there is a Bandit that gives a Gem of True Sight when entering a place full of Bandits, I clicked him twice and I just got myself 2 Gems which has a sell rate of 100 each gems. You should fix this because I can make easy money by clicking on him many times and getting gems that many times.

I did not play after that due to this small bugs and it also lacks enjoyable contents in it.

 

[Homor]

@Hell_Master: I was worried if I used letterbox mode it would get really annoying, cutting to cinematic for every conversation. Of course, I guess repeating conversations are annoying in their own right. Still, I figured it really wouldn't be a problem because it's so easy to avoid if you know it can happen.

Of course, the way you can exploit the Guardsman's kindness and get like 100 gems is a pretty big deal. I'll do what I can to prevent that.

The fact that you didn't play it all the way through disappoints me. For multiple reasons.

 

[Binsu]

@Hell_Master: I was worried if I used letterbox mode it would get really annoying, cutting to cinematic for every conversation. Of course, I guess repeating conversations are annoying in their own right. Still, I figured it really wouldn't be a problem because it's so easy to avoid if you know it can happen.

Of course, the way you can exploit the Guardsman's kindness and get like 100 gems is a pretty big deal. I'll do what I can to prevent that.

The fact that you didn't play it all the way through disappoints me. For multiple reasons.

Actually, I planned to continue it. I'll just give a review later about this.

 

[Homor]

Actually, I planned to continue it. I'll just give a review later about this.

Oh.

D'oh.

 

[PlankingWolf]

Can you... add screenshots please? I lost my Warcraft III, now I'm stuck in the rug with nothing to do. I want to view this from screenshots, because it interested me.

 

[Homor]

Can you... add screenshots please? I lost my Warcraft III, now I'm stuck in the rug with nothing to do. I want to view this from screenshots, because it interested me.

Here are some quickie screengrabs, just for you:
http://i.imgur.com/etYRVZw.png
http://i.imgur.com/VsfZSHw.png
http://i.imgur.com/82ZQzQo.png

 

[Orcnet]

Some problems I checked on the game:

-I can kill anyone, including quest givers and my 'stash' like ward unit. It would be better if you give them the invulnerable ability or a trigger that cancel out the attack on allied/passive units

-Quests are irritating once you accidentally click the giver, I suggest if the player should be atleast near the region of the quest giver its more accurate looking

-Dialogue scene is a waste, plus it pauses my screen not the game itself, how about give the dialogue a -command where when pressed it would skip the dialogue scene and ditch the pause screen idea, pause the game statement is more fine.

-skills are based on default heroes, can't you give them something more different?

that for now, I wouldn't say more about terrain, plot or so but this are just the main stuff that needs fixing, plus what Ra Dao Zao said above.

EDIT: vm me for update.

 

[Homor]

Some problems I checked on the game:
-Quests are irritating once you accidentally click the giver, I suggest if the player should be atleast near the region of the quest giver its more accurate looking

Could you rephrase that please? I don't quite understand. Are you saying the the player should be near the quest giver before speaking to them?

Some other thoughts:

1. You CANNOT kill quests givers. All vital storyline NPCs are invulnerable. I don't really believe in restricting the player by not letting them kill civilians, but if that's enough of a problem to contribute to the map getting rejected I'm more than happy to fix it.

2. I'll replace the "disable user control" trigger with "pause all units." Would that work?

3. I really like default hero skills, I don't really think that's a problem. If you do, what would you suggest?

 

[Orcnet]

Are you saying the the player should be near the quest giver before speaking to them?

Yes then the dialogue scene would start. however:

-Dialogue scene is a waste, plus it pauses my screen not the game itself, how about give the dialogue a -command where when pressed it would skip the dialogue scene and ditch the pause screen idea, pause the game statement is more fine.

I guess invulnerable ability to the said allies would suffice, strangely killing your storage like box is not a good route, especially killing villages via GTA-style.

I'll replace the "disable user control" trigger with "pause all units." Would that work?

There's also an option where a dialogue scene takes place but won't interfere with the player's movements, like what the campaigns usually do.

I really like default hero skills, I don't really think that's a problem. If you do, what would you suggest?

Alternate there damage status or acquiring neutral hostile's list of spells that can be customize for hero abilities (e.g Frenzy, Monsoon)

 

[Krolan]

Well, I played it. To the end, mind you.

Gameplay - [+]
Story - [++]
Characters (+NPC) - [++]
Graphics - [+]
Discovery - [++]
Originality - [+]
Quests - [+]
Layout - [++]
Items - [++]
Bugs - [+++]

An overall very good basic storydriven RPG-Map. I can't actually imagine why this would be rejected.

4/5 - Vote for Approval

Full Review


Final Suggestions:

1. If you loose the Mana and Life Orbs the player would have to consider actually buying potions.
2. If you include more sidequests to be found in different locations of the map the player would have more fun. But don't force it if you're out of ideas for this map.
3. If you include some buildings that spawn enemies once some are dead (especially at the end with the undead) the player would have to keep his cool and destroy these ASAP.
4. If you include a bigger variety of items the player could choose his play style more easily. As it is you're forced to go all defense. I however decided to use those furbolg summoning stones but found the enemy to be too weak to handle smart moves like that, so...
5. Consider making the enemies slightly stronger/more skillful

Overall I had fun playing through this map and am off to Part 2.

 

[Homor]

I think the biggest thing this map has going for it right now is the fact that it's hard to find/tell who exactly you're supposed to talk to. I think a simple "Exclamation Point over the head" system would fix that pretty easily. I'll also try to work on the GTA-style civilian killing, see if it's a good idea to keep the player from doing that.

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved now, to give more information and story behind Part 2 and Part 3, my apologize for the rejection from some point in time.

 

[Homor]

Map approved now, to give more information and story behind Part 2 and Part 3, my apologize for the rejection from some point in time.

Thank you so much, OrcNet! This is a huge validation for me. I was pretty bummed when this map got rejected the first time around and I'm so happy it's approved now. Especially since this means people who missed out on the first part will finally be able to get the full story.

Thank you so much, OrcNet. And a big thank you to all of the HiveWorkshop staff!

 

[EternaLife]

Uhmm.. this map is completely broken.
When I click on any NPC for a quest when first entering the game,
NOTHING happens!!
Can you fix it so I can actually play this?

 

[Homor]

Uhmm.. this map is completely broken.
When I click on any NPC for a quest when first entering the game,
NOTHING happens!!
Can you fix it so I can actually play this?

I haven't encountered this problem at all. Maybe I know which NPCs to click on? I dunno. I'll look into it.

 

[DD Mikasa]

Well i really enjoyed the plot.

One thing that kinda left me...Meh...It was the terrain it kinda felt empty and way to...
equable i think that terrain could use some work...

Something else that left wha...Was the fact that we gather all that help for the town and not a single Mercenary nor Goblin show's up there.Townfolks diden't even try to fortify the town no guards patrolling inside/outside the town either...I think you should have added this minor stuff.

Gameplay wise...It was kinda boring...

Hero stats need some tweaking he becomes really frikin op after a while.(You might have not touched the stats maybe cuz of the way you chose to make the gameplay of the map)

At least the map had some humore in it

I really enjoyed the story but in the other aspects it needs some work

 

[Trevojan]

Finished it today and wow! Such a great game!

Well, to be honest, I thought the start was really boring, because 'every simple RPG made with the Editor needs to have a beginning like that (kill-level up-kill-level up)'.

But as the hero levels up, the story starts to be much more interesting. And at the end, it finally caught my attention. It has a well made story, anyway

 

[DarkRanger2]

Did that old man called me just to get him Water ?

 

[Homor]

Did that old man called me just to get him Water ?

Well, water for the whole village... but yes.