Draenor

[VeljkoM]

And race that is kicked from their homes so the age of human could begin...maybe we should make Lotr lore group?

 

[AIagremm]

Perhaps... well there is LotR group, but it isnt exactle lorish.
Plus we have to stop talking about elves of Middlearth, in Draenor disscusion.

 

[VeljkoM]

So...dreanor...red planet...Mars or Shakuras...full of race (more then half extinct)...

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah... I wonder if orcs annihilated any other races as well?

 

[VeljkoM]

Well there were giants that were used to make temples. In warcraft 1 and 2 orcs always brag how they crushed all races in Dreanor.

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah. In my opinion giants of Draenor are such races as ogres, ogre lords, gronn and colossi. Personally, I think that ogres are evolution of stone giants. They may have been affected by something like curse of the flesh, but most likely it was just evolution. Jus compare the ogres and mountain giants. They have some similarities.

I made a small article about them on FoD site. Its in the page Other races.

 

[VeljkoM]

About FoD why did you decide to create a full mod instead of just campaign?

 

[AIagremm]

Well, actually first my idea was actually to create a mod with those races, then I understood that my duty is to create a campign.

 

[VeljkoM]

It won't be for russian warcraft right? I wanted that Woo mod but it is only russian and I really don't want to ruin normal warcraft. It is annoying to search for it again and update it.

 

[AIagremm]

Yes, I want to make a multicultural mod, in English.

BTW, right now Im updating my map of Draenor.

 

[AIagremm]

I updated the map of Draenor. Now there is Hand of Gul'dan, Frostwolf Mountains and Mountains of Flame. Plus its fancy! ^^

 

[VeljkoM]

Gul'dan was important then? But isn't that to far in past to effect him? Also are you making this maps from editor by taking screenshots from bird-eye view?

 

[AIagremm]

Gul'dan raised a volcano in Shadowmoon Valley. You can see it as a tall mountain under the first half of the word Shadowmoon.
Yes I am. You see a guy once showed me a terrain template of Draenor. I was shocked how bad it is, and sworn to make a good template. How I had a problem of making the map look like Outland and Draenor. So eventually it became a map.

 

[VeljkoM]

And it is good thing it doesn't look like out land. That look came after corruption and even more after explosion.

I hope you'll make it to be loading screen. Just add arrows for movement.

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah, I have such idea. Thanks to this map I found out the existance of Apexis Fields, Frostwolf Mountains and the fact that Nagrand is isolated from the wolrd by the mountains surrounding it.

It is interesting merging Draenor and Outland, because you use logic and fantasy to create Draenor.

Im also going to make a map of corrupted Draenor soon. It will have Hellfire Peninsula and Corrupted Shadowmoon Valley. Plus Black Temple and Hellfire Citadel.

 

[VeljkoM]

Cool. Also do you have whole story for campaign or it is still in progress.

 

[AIagremm]

I have finallized how the main story will go. It was really hard to understand how to make the storyline go, who will be playing some siege and stuff like that. However small features are yet to be made.

 

[Phoonix]

campaign what campaign?

 

[VeljkoM]

I know. When I was making story for my campaign I always had to add more and more. I was forced to divide my campaign in at least 3 or 4 parts depending of will I include pandaria.

@Phoonix he Alagremm is making Warcraft 3 mod about Dreanor before destruction.

 

[AIagremm]

Here you go Phoonix! Fall of Draenor.

 

[Phoonix]

i'm gona read it now.

 

[AIagremm]

New map up!

As you can see this is after the corruption of the orcs. List of changes can be seen in the picture description on its page(I added the map to the group pictures)

 

[Phoonix]

Nice. though i never really was very interested in the Lore of dreanor i look forward into playing your campaign

 

[AIagremm]

Squak!

 

[Fussiler1]

*crawls out of a monkey barrel with ripped apart clothes*
Everyone.. gone yet?

 

[AIagremm]

Eek! No! Squak! For Terokk!

Man, I found out and understood so much lore about Draenor... for example in my theory ogres originate from colossi(mountain giants) and sporelings were created only after the shattering of Draenor.

 

[Fussiler1]

Meh, I find those known topics boring..

Pandarens and the very early of humans are rather interesting, same with the twin Troll Empires.

 

[AIagremm]

Draenor, Old Gods, early humans, Titans, Argus, Seven Kingdoms, Broken Isles, Eldre'thalas and the First Horde are interesting.

 

[Fussiler1]

I..
see..
an..
Expansion..

''Revenge of the Old Gods.''
''Squiddie invasion!''
''Tentacle raep'.'

 

[AIagremm]

I... see... a... crazy... guy... talking... about... perverted... hentai... WoW.... expansion.

 

[StormWarriors2]

Lol. Blizzard would do that!

 

[Fussiler1]

Yep.

but im not crazeh

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah. You're Snoopy

 

[Fussiler1]

And Snoopy is awesome.
Especially when he beats the Red Baron!

 

[AIagremm]

I have a theory! According to it, Draenor is Old God infested.
It is inhabited by Old God of Shadow who was imprisoned by the Titans, most likely after the ordering of Draenor. This also explains why are there colossi in the world.

Another thing that proves it are the arakkoa. Where do they get their shadow powers from? There can only be one answer. Also, I suspect that Terokk is actually manifestation of that Old God. We all know that the great first ancient civilization of arakkoa called Apexis has fallen whe their golems-colossi turned on their master. Why did they suddenly turn on them? There is only one such force of corruption. Also, Sethekk are said to serve an unknown master of amazing powers and Dark Conclave was actually summoning that Old God in Shadowmoon Valley before the First War.

 

[AIagremm]

One of my last arguments are ogres. If we look at the ogres and gronns from whom they originated we ca notice many calcium and other stone on their skin, which was completely gone in ogres. But the shape and size of ogres show stunning resemblance to colossi otherwise known as Draenor mountain giants. We already know a force in Azeroth that has turned many stone and metal beings in bilogical formes using Curse of Flesh.
The last thing that proves the Old God presence is the fact that Draenor is connected to Azeroth's Emerald Dream and the Elemental Plane. There is even a Firelord in Draenor, who must be the alternative of Ragnaros.

From all those facts you can understand that there is an Old God in Draenor. Old God of Shadow.

 

[VeljkoM]

Answer to all strange in Waracfta is Old God.

For example:Hakkar and rest of Troll gods, Emerald Dream thing, Naga thing, Sargeras thing, Deathwing thing, Aszhara thing, Gnome and dwarves having flesh and not being robots (This bugs me because Old Gods control elementals so why change earth based creatures to "non-elemental")...I'll think of more latter.

 

[AIagremm]

Actually that really does make sence. Why the heck would they make elemental beings fleshy?

 

[VeljkoM]

Maybe for same reason they made faceless and forgotten ones?

But what is scary that Dreanor thing of yours has more sense then half of Warcraft Lore tho that would make poor arrakoa similar to nerubians.

 

[AIagremm]

Well they are the smartest race of Draenor. They can learn a language from zero in a few minutes and in a few hours speak it perfectly! I really dont understand why with such high intellect they are so technologically inadvanced and believe in Terokk's might?

Also, you know what proves my theory? The Dark Portal was mostl ikely part of the universal Old God plan. They wanted their brother from raenor help them. Old Gods in Azeroth influenced Sargeras and Medivh to open the portal. It all was part of their plan to be freed! Who knows, maybe even destruction of Draenor was actually planned by the Old Gods to free that Old God!

Plus as I said, those worlds are binded! Emerald Dream and Elemental Plane can be accesed from Draenor!

 

[VeljkoM]

Old gods are probably more advanced than we think. They are probably across whole universe.

 

[AIagremm]

Plus their plans are beyond our understanding. They probably knew about Arthas and First War even before the War of the Ancients

 

[VeljkoM]

What they are beyond time? And if you ask me Cthun and Yog-Sarron aren't really dead. They are more likely just pushed back.

 

[AIagremm]

Yes they are. No mortal can destroy an Old God, only destroy the physical shell.

The Titans said they killed one of the Old Gods, who is now known as C'thun. But he survived and then his minions created him a body.

 

[VeljkoM]

Old Gods sound just like Cerebrates from Starcraft. Both have super powers ad can't be really killed.

Once protoss killed Cerbrate and before they started to celebrate the damn thing just regenerated in front of their eyes.

 

[AIagremm]

Well they can be killed with some Khaidarin crystals

 

[VeljkoM]

Nah just the dark energies that they them selves use. Fire with Fire thing.

 

[AIagremm]

Logical. It makes sence, since only Old Giod should be able to kill an Old God.

 

[VeljkoM]

Oh and since this dreanor place can you tell me how does Illidan make more fel orcs? where does he get green ones?

 

[AIagremm]

Green ones are made... erm, the natural way.
But the red ones were made using imprisoned Maghteridon.