Curse of the Forsaken v3.0.1

[tomoraider]

I'm glad you liked the campaign. Also Tides of War is made by another author, it's not related to my campaign, and I do not plan to make any more campaigns at this point.

 

[hasbiasdq]

This campaign is very nice, i love the epicness of the background music in the final battle, It makes the battle feel so intense. And i like the voice from world of warcraft. Really a good work

 

[hasbiasdq]

This campaign is very nice, i love the epicness of the background music in the final battle, It makes the battle feel so intense. And i like the voice from world of warcraft. Really a good work

 

[Kriss Karon]

Best custom campaign i've ever played! Although, i can't play the "Journey to the Sunwell" interlude and it won't let me pass chapter 8.1. In fact, it takes me back to the main menu after finishing "Echoes of the Past". Sorry if this has been mentioned before, i just don't have the patience to go through all the pages of this thread. Amazing, nonetheless!

 

[crumblinherb]

Amazing custom map from what I've seen so far! I was able to play through chapter 1 and 2 but once I got to three it seems my game will crash when clicking on the Necromancer replacements (sorry I cannot remember their new name) as well as sometimes if I click on the Temple of the Damned. Oddly enough I can have them in my army selected with other units, tab over to them to use spells but every now and then when I tab over to them it will freeze. Same with the TOTD, I can have it selected with another building and even research spells / build units but sometimes even tabbing over will make it freeze. I have the newest update for both my computer and warcraft 3, I'm using a Mac (probably the problem..) & would love to play the rest!

 

[RoPlayer]

Perfect!

 

[Khôi Nguyễn]

Just recently finished this campaign; and had finished Rise Of the Blood Elves - Enchanted Edition (Version 1.4) one week ago. I have to say: You really put your heart into your two wonderful-brilliant-epic-hardcore-exciting-refreshing campaigns, right?

Absolutely love it! Every single thing you have done, every tiny thing you have put into your campaigns, every effort you have spent. I truly admire your beautiful works.
Sincerely.

P.S: The music is what I like the most...

 

[DEB1234]

Chapter 4, if balnazzar can train some demons units will be more fun.

 

[Khôi Nguyễn]

Chapter 4, if balnazzar can train some demons units will be more fun.

Totally more fun.

 

[Jayborino]

Commenting so I can properly rate Tomoraider's campaigns like they deserve... 5/5. There is a full playthrough/review on my YT channel.

I enjoy the undead perspective on WotLK, which presents the story in a very particular way that really appealed to me as a WC3/WoW fan (missing Bolvar did not bother me at all). There is a very noticeable difficulty shift downward about halfway through the campaign after the first Northrend mission, which I think does make this campaign a bit more accessible than Rise of the Blood Elves. I struggled with a bit with RotBE when I played it as I was new to the custom campaign scene at the time and did know what to expect, but I can confidently say both of Tomoraider's campaigns have made me a better player (after only having the experience of completing the vanilla game on Normal). Now I can appreciate and enjoy the challenge of other projects as well!

 

[Loolazo859]

You are thinking to do a draenei campaing because it will be awesome,I love your campaing this one and the blood elf campaing

 

[Anaxie]

there plans for V3.0 fo4saken campaign like RotBE

 

[lesnarpower12]

i think that the doombriger model was better than the templar's one [i refer to the leader of the scarlet crusade]

 

[lesnarpower12]

nice researches in the labovatory building.pls create even more

 

[Alliance10]

if this campaign will going to be updated i have some ideas in mind IF you may consider,
a new forsaken unit( an undead golem) , new exotic items or just the regular UNIQUE items, and also can u show the assault on the stormwind on a cinematic and also could you put some space or distance between the scourge and ogrimmar a little bit long or make the map large. and also on the part that i save the worgen can i atleast control the remaining worgen to bolster my forces.

 

[lesnarpower12]

if this campaign will going to be updated i have some ideas in mind IF you may consider,
a new forsaken unit( an undead golem) , new exotic items or just the regular UNIQUE items, and also can u show the assault on the stormwind on a cinematic and also could you put some space or distance between the scourge and ogrimmar a little bit long or make the map large. and also on the part that i save the worgen can i atleast control the remaining worgen to bolster my forces.

the undead golem is indeed a good idea. check out the original gampaign the scourge of lordaeron but in its enhanced mode ,i am sure you will find many interesting ideas not only about units but also about abilities and passives.[you will find the campaign on hive workshop campaigns ]

 

[Anaxie]

Saidan_DathrohanV1

Great Model for Saidan when you do V3.0


Vereesa Windrunner (v1)

Spectacular Vereesa Model

 

[Michael the Boombringer]

mostly ok

 

[Anaxie]

mostly ok

Care to explain the 3/5 when its universally a 5/5?

 

[Johnnis]

Haven't finished it yet but it looks like it's TOP quality, just like the Blood elves campaign (maybe even better).

I'd like to report a bug. It seems like Jaina's Q is bugged. It doesn't do the additional + % damage, it does the flat 20+20*[ability level] - armor etc.

Very cool ability btw.

 

[lordoflinks]

I must say my only problem with the campaign is that Arthas dies at the end. To me, a more interesting outcome would be that he survives and has to live with immense guilt, and the fact no one in the world trusts, or even likes him. Unlike Kerrigan Arthas actually lost control of his will.
The thought occurred to me that an Orc campaign themed around cataclysm and a Night Elf/ Draeni campaign themed around the end of the Burning Legion would be fun ideas.

 

[Anaxie]

I must say my only problem with the campaign is that Arthas dies at the end. To me, a more interesting outcome would be that he survives and has to live with immense guilt, and the fact no one in the world trusts, or even likes him. Unlike Kerrigan Arthas actually lost control of his will.
The thought occurred to me that an Orc campaign themed around cataclysm and a Night Elf/ Draeni campaign themed around the end of the Burning Legion would be fun ideas.

The campaign is based on wrath..... arthas not dying would be contradictory stupid fanfiction.

Also arthas had his own will sourced by his entire novel about him.

Learn lore

 

[tomoraider]

mostly ok

Any specific things you didn't like?

I'd like to report a bug. It seems like Jaina's Q is bugged. It doesn't do the additional + % damage, it does the flat 20+20*[ability level] - armor etc.

Very cool ability btw.

Huh, I never realised that. I will check it out.

I must say my only problem with the campaign is that Arthas dies at the end. To me, a more interesting outcome would be that he survives and has to live with immense guilt, and the fact no one in the world trusts, or even likes him. Unlike Kerrigan Arthas actually lost control of his will.

Hmm, I like how it ended, however, I don't think Arthas surviving would make sense, as you say, no one trusts or likes him, I think certain characters like Sylvanas would outright refuse the possibility of sparing Arthas. I think he is the kind of villain whose story can only end in death, considering everything he had done.

 

[Alliance10]

Tomoraider is right. It's very hard to atone for all the slautering arthas did so death is the only option for arthas since no king rules forever

 

[Nmesa]

I am not very good in English, but I just cant be silent about this - LordaREON, seriously? Its spelled Lordaeron (Lordaeron), what was the problem to google it? And this typo not only in description, but even in all of the game dialogues.
I am rather shocked, on the first glance your campaigns looks very detailed and now this.

P.S. And am i right - you no longer work on this campaign? The last update was in 2015.

 

[Alliance10]

Maybe tomoraider is busy right now so probably she doesn't have any time to update this campaign right now. Futhermore all of us can do is to be patient

 

[Anaxie]

I am not very good in English, but I just cant be silent about this - LordaREON, seriously? Its spelled Lordaeron (Lordaeron), what was the problem to google it? And this typo not only in description, but even in all of the game dialogues.
I am rather shocked, on the first glance your campaigns looks very detailed and now this.

P.S. And am i right - you no longer work on this campaign? The last update was in 2015.

How shocking!!!!

Could you be more dramatic.

 

[tomoraider]

I am not very good in English, but I just cant be silent about this - LordaREON, seriously? Its spelled Lordaeron (Lordaeron), what was the problem to google it? And this typo not only in description, but even in all of the game dialogues.
I am rather shocked, on the first glance your campaigns looks very detailed and now this.

P.S. And am i right - you no longer work on this campaign? The last update was in 2015.

Mistakes happen. No need to be shocked about such an insignificant blunder.

 

[Nmesa]

It's me, again. I've completed your campaign and would like to thank you, report some bugs and express my personal thoughts on the matter.

1. Hero Abilities
- Don't you think that the Battle Roar, an ability of a worgen Darkclaw, would look better with its bonus being in percentages? At the moment, it's too strong while your enemies aren't strong enough to balance it out.
- The passive ability of Darkclaw mentions Pit Lord in its description.
- Lor'themar's ability Blood Cry mentions the decrease of movement speed, yet in the enemy's Buff/Debuff status it also states the decrease in attack speed.
- One of Thrall's totems, Windwalk, mentions the increase in movement speed for allies, while stating, in unit's status, that the movement speed is actually decreased by the effect (similar to that of the Earthbind).
- In my opinion, both Earthbind and Windwalk totems are absolutely useless. It would be more interesting should they be reworked to the increase in their utility.

2. Hero Items
To me, the campaign seriously lacks interesting items for the Heroes. Artifacts like these that give you +1 attribute are too frequent, it's confusing. First mission's Archmage Ring looks inorganic next to other two treasures (maybe a full set instead?)
There is little choice in items, after a few missions completed, everyone just has 6 Orbes of Darkness, which they've bought from the shop. Is it possible to give this item a unique type, make the item non-recurring?
- Frostmourne from the last mission has a typo in its name ("Froustmorne").
- A funny thing happened to me in the 9th mission: Lor'themar picked up the Sindragosa's Heart item. Is it possible to forbid the AI to pick items just on that map?

3. Maps
I think they seriously lack creeps and are pretty empty if you not concentrate on main quest. There is a shortage in the amount of map secrets. Cutting trees with meatwagons and finding stuff there was both introduced and ended with the first mission.
- "Defense of Orgrimmar" map suffers from serious pathfinding problems. Occasionally, the workers would effectively build upon and block the road next to the Fountain of Life, forcing us to demolish our own buildings. Though I understand, the map is quite heavy with the events and the AI, perhaps this problem could be impossible to solve.
- In the Azjol-Nerub mission, the priest, even while being entangled, will always be able to run to Varian for healing.

4. Dialogue and Quests
Couple of them tend to be very naive and poorly written, as if were created by a person, like me, not so familiar with the language.
Almost every side-quests starts with:
- Lady Sylvanas, we have a problem with murlocs/zergs/aliens.
- Yeah-yeah. We will try and do something about it, if we have the time.
It would be wonderful to see more diversity in this texts.

Among other things, the quest titles are often too dull: "Sindragosa (Kill Sindragosa)".
Enemy bases carry a generic name like "Main Base", even while being mentioned in the quest description, as if it was a mere placeholder. Why not make the names more unique?

- In the last mission, prior-to-battle Varimathras's dialogue has a typo in it. Sadly, I dont remember where exactly.
- In Dalaran's interlude, when Sylvanas picks up the locket, a portion of text appears in the name text field.
- When Anub'arak is killed, the kill is not counted.
- In "The Return of Quel-Dellar" quest, the "all heroes must survive" objective is not counted after the terms for completion were met.
- It's possible to destroy Vereesa's cage with just flying units like Gargoyles, avoiding any obstacles. Would it be possible to set a condition for this objective so you would have to kill the nearest monsters first?

5. Other
- I noticed that, in the campaign, the new Forsaken UI is used always, even when on a mission with Jaina or Vereesa.
- Is it possible to give Variann's model the scar?
- In Silvermoon's interlude, the music of Dalaran is playing in the background. In fact, it would be good if the original WoW music was used for every according location. I don't think it's hard to implement.
- The music that start playing in the end of Dalaran's interlude is too heavy (god damned metal) and completely off-mood. Phaelynne's combat music in the last mission was also very irritating.
- In the beginning of Azjol-Nerub, Fiends' ability "Burrow" proved to be quite tiresome for me. It doesn't make the gameplay any interesting. Is it possible to turn it off for this one map (or the fiends before Thrall)?
- I don't quite get why is there an option to hire the Val'kir of two different colors. They are completely the same, the blue one would have suffice, while both of them would appear in cinematic.
- Boss encounters could have been harder should they have 33-50% more HP. The final battle with Varimathras appeared to be too chaotic (too many units and action).
- Ghouls seems out of place in Forsakens army, especially with Spider Pet upgrade. The ghoul's shadow claws after upgrade has an awful looking effect. Forsaken's usage of assasins like in WoW was not realized in this campaign, would be cool if such units replace the ghouls.
- The Scarlet Crusade missions were a bit long and boring in compare with the rest of them in the campagn.
- When Varimathras leaves us as a playable hero, it would be better to return his items to us right on that map, not the last one where you dont need them.
- Incredibly frequent enemy attacks on our base. Its definetely more challenging, but at some point this becomes annoying. But i guess you have your own view about this.
- Text in the menu with choice heroes is beyond the framework on 1280 - 1024 resolution. Screenshot - 1.

6. The result
I very much liked the campaign. Especially, its similarity with WoW, raid bosses aspect and the attention to details. Dragonblight level is a masterpiece and feels like Blizzard's work (it is, actually). Interludes were of high-quality in terms of direction. The alternative version of the story was sufficient for me. Except for Phaelynne, she's horrible as a character and with her endless ties with Varimathras reminds me of a teenage-tier "Twilight" fan-fiction. Her lines are horrendous, her model is pretty cheap-made. i think it was a bad decision to make Master Apothecary a women, as if we are forced into empathy with her just because of this one fact.
I don't want to sound rude. Just voicing my impressions with the campaign.

And again, thank you for all your work.

P.S. Am i right - all your campaigns should be played with 1.26 patch, not the 1.27? The latest one completely mess up cost of buildings (Tier 2 cost -60 gold) and probably many other things.

 

[tomoraider]

I'm glad you liked the campaign. Thanks for all the points you brought up as well! Most of the things you mentioned are things I actually plan to change/fix if I do a v3.0 of this campaign. I especially agree about Phaelynne. 2012 was when I first created Curse of the Forsaken and I didn't put too much thought into her story. That definitely needs changing.

And I'm honestly not sure about the patch. I'm always playing on the latest one, but I didn't even realize it messed up the cost of buildings.

 

[Anaxie]

I'm glad you liked the campaign. Thanks for all the points you brought up as well! Most of the things you mentioned are things I actually plan to change/fix if I do a v3.0 of this campaign. I especially agree about Phaelynne. 2012 was when I first created Curse of the Forsaken and I didn't put too much thought into her story. That definitely needs changing.

And I'm honestly not sure about the patch. I'm always playing on the latest one, but I didn't even realize it messed up the cost of buildings.

Everyone is eagerly waiting for your v3.0 anncouncement. I sincerly hope you choose to do it and bring it up to par with RotBE. Since your series is a a direct expansion to TFT a definitive edition for long Warcraft playthroughs is the highest on my wishlist with perenolds warcraft 2 remake to bring the timeline into wc3 from. Wc1- curse of the forsaken and the wotlk finale.

Thanks for everything tomo....

 

[Verb8im]

I'm glad you liked the campaign. Thanks for all the points you brought up as well! Most of the things you mentioned are things I actually plan to change/fix if I do a v3.0 of this campaign. I especially agree about Phaelynne. 2012 was when I first created Curse of the Forsaken and I didn't put too much thought into her story. That definitely needs changing.

And I'm honestly not sure about the patch. I'm always playing on the latest one, but I didn't even realize it messed up the cost of buildings.

I've never played WOW, so I don't know much about the lore, but maybe you could replace Phaelynne with Nathanos Blightcaller. Of course, you'd have to change the story up to make it so he doesn't die at the end, but I think it would make it better fit with the official lore.

 

[Anaxie]

Nathanos has nothing to do with being an apothacary. She mostly replaces Putress

Nevermind the other parts that dont fit. Because they werent ment to

 

[psaraq]

Hi there. I have just finished your campaign and just wanted to say I was really amazed by its quality. Even though most of the missions were ultimately pretty standard in structure, either building base and killing enemy bases or rpg style exploration as estabilished by blizzard, it was still all extremely well done and not without some interesting twists here and there (the hero only defense in chapter 4 and the epic siege with ai allies in chapter 10 being my favourites). The terrains were all professional, the race interesting to control (especially with the research building - an amazing idea!) etc. Even though the campaign didn't reach the heights of Rise of the Blood Elves (3) (which I think is BY FAR the best campaign ever done for Warcraft, including the ones from Blizzard, truly brilliant), it was still a wonderful experience and I can certainly see myself coming back to it in the future.

I've actually created my account here for the sole purpose of praising you and giving you feedback on what might have been corrected, but I see @Nmesa has beat me to it. I agree with almost everything he/she said, except that I liked the ghouls.

Other things from just me:

• VERY INCONSISTENT DIFFICULTY. I am not a W3 noob, especially when it comes to single player, but I had a very hard time playing some of the missions, while the others were childishly easy.
  • The 6th mission was really hard (I almost gave up the campaign) and almost (?) impossible to beat without the upgraded towers, which for a long time I didn't build because I did not expect them to be so overpowered).
  • In the 10th mission, on my first try I was crushed after a few minutes. On my second try, using the same tactics I won with almost no trying - the human ally did almost all the work. On the other hand, the blood elven allies were generally very vulnerable in all the missions they appeared on all of my tries and were unable to survive enemy attacks without significant help from me, don't know if that was intended.
  • the rpg missions were so easy I could solo them with just heroes, aside from a few super hard boss battles, all in the last chapter: Phaelynne and Varimathras, which I had to kill using tricks - I killed some of their minions, escaped to the fountain of health, came back, killed some more, escaped again and so on... Arthas I couldn't kill at all (was only able to lower his health to about 50% before dying) and after a bit I decided to use cheats just to see the rest of the story (the only time I've ever used cheats in any campaign ever). I have no idea how you're supposed to kill him "legally".
• While we're talking about Arthas: I feel the campaign should have ended right there with his death and the rise of the new Lich King. The remaining bits felt really unnecessary, and felt like a prelude to something that never came. Thus the campaign ended on an unsatisfying note (it wasn't as bad as in Rise of the Blood Elves though, whose last two chapters were really terrible from a storytelling point of view and were the only flaws in this masterpiece of yours).
• Garrosh was terrible. I did not like playing him at all, for just one small silly reason: for a melee character, he had very low armor (I think about 4 in the first mission we can control him? Sylvanas had waaay more, blade masters have 5 from the start I think). The point is, he loses his health very fast. Not unlike Jaina, but you can always keep her in the back (ranged caster), while Garrosh just becomes useless. Very irritating.
• I did not like the fact that some of the buildings were summoned, others were build. It felt inconsistent, and quite strange. I've never played WoW so I don't know how lore-friendly it is, but based on the workers' looks I would rather like the buildings to be built the way humans or orcs do. That's just cosmetics, though.

I don't want to give a negative impression though, as I said before I loved the campaign and the above are ultimately just minor points that are nowhere near to breaking this beautiful campaign. Really great work, if you ever decide to make 3.0 or better yet, make a new campaign (maybe concerning Cataclysm??) I would be the first to play it.

 

[Nmesa]

I feel the campaign should have ended right there with his death and the rise of the new Lich King. The remaining bits felt really unnecessary, and felt like a prelude to something that never came. Thus the campaign ended

Actually the ending was there to simulate WoW starting experience, when you created the Forsaken character. The whole location and even NPCs are from the original and their main purpose is to bring nostalgia (at least for me), not to continue the storyline.

Sadly, I think Tomoraider campaigns are much less enjoyable for people who didint realise such things and never played WoW.

 

[tomoraider]

Hi there. I have just finished your campaign and just wanted to say I was really amazed by its quality. Even though most of the missions were ultimately pretty standard in structure, either building base and killing enemy bases or rpg style exploration as estabilished by blizzard, it was still all extremely well done and not without some interesting twists here and there (the hero only defense in chapter 4 and the epic siege with ai allies in chapter 10 being my favourites). The terrains were all professional, the race interesting to control (especially with the research building - an amazing idea!) etc. Even though the campaign didn't reach the heights of Rise of the Blood Elves (3) (which I think is BY FAR the best campaign ever done for Warcraft, including the ones from Blizzard, truly brilliant), it was still a wonderful experience and I can certainly see myself coming back to it in the future.

I've actually created my account here for the sole purpose of praising you and giving you feedback on what might have been corrected, but I see @Nmesa has beat me to it. I agree with almost everything he/she said, except that I liked the ghouls.

Other things from just me:

• VERY INCONSISTENT DIFFICULTY. I am not a W3 noob, especially when it comes to single player, but I had a very hard time playing some of the missions, while the others were childishly easy.
  • The 6th mission was really hard (I almost gave up the campaign) and almost (?) impossible to beat without the upgraded towers, which for a long time I didn't build because I did not expect them to be so overpowered).
  • In the 10th mission, on my first try I was crushed after a few minutes. On my second try, using the same tactics I won with almost no trying - the human ally did almost all the work. On the other hand, the blood elven allies were generally very vulnerable in all the missions they appeared on all of my tries and were unable to survive enemy attacks without significant help from me, don't know if that was intended.
  • the rpg missions were so easy I could solo them with just heroes, aside from a few super hard boss battles, all in the last chapter: Phaelynne and Varimathras, which I had to kill using tricks - I killed some of their minions, escaped to the fountain of health, came back, killed some more, escaped again and so on... Arthas I couldn't kill at all (was only able to lower his health to about 50% before dying) and after a bit I decided to use cheats just to see the rest of the story (the only time I've ever used cheats in any campaign ever). I have no idea how you're supposed to kill him "legally".
• While we're talking about Arthas: I feel the campaign should have ended right there with his death and the rise of the new Lich King. The remaining bits felt really unnecessary, and felt like a prelude to something that never came. Thus the campaign ended on an unsatisfying note (it wasn't as bad as in Rise of the Blood Elves though, whose last two chapters were really terrible from a storytelling point of view and were the only flaws in this masterpiece of yours).
• Garrosh was terrible. I did not like playing him at all, for just one small silly reason: for a melee character, he had very low armor (I think about 4 in the first mission we can control him? Sylvanas had waaay more, blade masters have 5 from the start I think). The point is, he loses his health very fast. Not unlike Jaina, but you can always keep her in the back (ranged caster), while Garrosh just becomes useless. Very irritating.
• I did not like the fact that some of the buildings were summoned, others were build. It felt inconsistent, and quite strange. I've never played WoW so I don't know how lore-friendly it is, but based on the workers' looks I would rather like the buildings to be built the way humans or orcs do. That's just cosmetics, though.

I don't want to give a negative impression though, as I said before I loved the campaign and the above are ultimately just minor points that are nowhere near to breaking this beautiful campaign. Really great work, if you ever decide to make 3.0 or better yet, make a new campaign (maybe concerning Cataclysm??) I would be the first to play it.

Thank you, glad you liked the campaign!

You are right about the inconsistent difficulty, I'm just not good at that part. I try to make maps feel challenging for me, but everyone plays differently, so it's tough to balance them correctly.

I disagree about the ending. In part, it is meant to serve as an epilogue to show what the Forsaken are up to after the Lich King's death, and in part, it is meant to serve as a prelude to a Cataclysm campaign, if that ever happens, but I don't think that diminishes its value as an epilogue, since it doesn't really open up any new storylines. I'm curious, why did you think the final two chapters of RotBE were bad?

Huh. I never realised Garrosh had less armor than everyone else.

Some of the buildings are summoned cause they don't have an animation for normal building.

 

[Anaxie]

What are the odds of a CotF 3.0 happening within 2017 tomoraider?

Tons of newer HQ models to update. Saiden, veressa, lothremar ect.

Building costs messed up from patch.

Unit oversights like garrosh

Peons building stuff that blocks pathing orgrimmar hero defense level.

General polish and story and mechanic updates you may have planned. An expanded Icecroqn Citidel level with a few more bosses qould be cool. Blood Queen /Kel'Thuzad maybe.

Hope it happens!

 

[psaraq]

I'm curious, why did you think the final two chapters of RotBE were bad?

I'm on it! Firstly, let me clarify that by "the last two chapters" I meant Chapter Twelve: Fury of the Sunwell and the Epilogue. Secondly, I'd like to make clear that I only have problems with the story aspects, not the gameplay. Well, to be completely fair, the Epilogue's gameplay isn't terribly interesting, just walking from point A to point B in a city, but it's perfectly understandable given the chapter's aim, and besides, the city is really beautiful. Chapter 12 was obviously awesome gameplay-wise.

So, let's get to it. For me Chapter 12 felt really out of place. We have this great story of blood elves (in particular our heroes) with a conflict that's perfectly set up in Chapter 1, develops throughout the next 9 Chapters and finally ends in Chapter 11. After a big and hard fight we destroy Kael's forces, and as a reward we get a grand cinematic finale in which the evil Kael dies, Alessandra redeems herself through sacrifice, Aewynne admits her mistakes, and basically everything is resolved. Maybe add Kael as an enemy hero in Chapter 11 or let us fight him in a short separate chapter just before the cinematic to make the victory even more satisfying, maybe do a short epilogue after the cinematic to explain that Lor'themar becomes the king and the blood elves are safe again, maybe hint at the events in Curse of the Forsaken if you wish to, but really you're basically done. Great, satisfying story.

What happens instead however puzzles me. Kael miraculously survives, somehow, and we have to stop him *again*! Since there's no real explanation for that and it's not hinted at anywhere, and there is no build-up to his return, it just feels annoying rather than exciting. In Curse of the Forsaken, for example, we get rid of Varimathras and he also comes back later on and destroys our city, and then again ruins our plans near the Frozen Throne, but it's all right because we had hints that Phaelynne may still be under his influence, we just knew he had to come back eventually. Here it just feels like a rushed sequel nobody asked for.

My second problem is: have you noticed how long the description of Chapter 12 is (it doesn't even fit on my screen, to be honest)? At the very end of the game you introduce two new vital characters that we hadn't even heard of before. They are so out of place you have to write an essay-long introduction for us to even have any idea what's going on. It's a huge problem because we don't really feel any connection to them at all. The long section of the fight when the dragon man declares his love to the girl and she has to die etc., was supposed to be very emotional but it doesn't make us feel anything or maybe even comes off as forced because we've only met the characters a few minutes ago and thus we just don't care about them at all.

As for the Epilogue, I just felt like it was too long given the lack of events and not focused enough on the issues we were interested in. I think it would be better to just tell us what happened to our heroes and don't get into the politics so much (the talk between the master mage and the diplomat being especially unnecessary), with the exception of the Sylvanas part which was a nice prologue to Curse of the Forsaken.

It's all just my opinion, of course. I'm sure WoW players would have a different one (like you and @Nmesa do in the case of Curse of the Forsaken), as would many non-WoW players, I presume. Also I've no idea how much of the story was by you and how much was by Blizzard, so sorry if I criticized something that wasn't even your idea! Again, let me stress that apart from the above I really really loved Rise of the Blood Elves.

 

[Anaxie]

@psaraq
You said CotF is sequal no one asked for...... you sound like a fucking dick. Nevermind it was made firat

The story is based on the burning crusade is RotBE and wotlk CotF. And both campaigns first arc is based on their racial Warcraft storylines.


Th e epiloguea of RotBE is based on the short story shadows of the the sun and sets up the wotlk prelude.


And yes Kael. Kalecgos and Annvena was handled EXACTLY as shown in the campaign by the official storyline.

The latter two were fleahed out in a trilogy.

Anveena is important because she is the suwell. Literally

As a person heavily invested in the lore everything tomoraider did especially in the epilogues was spot on. He didnt even need to do the epilogues but he did. If you dont like the premise of them just fuckin skip them.

Every nitpick you had should be directed at blizzard anyhow considering you complain about story while being wntirely ignorant on the last 2006-2009 WoW lore development.. The recreated storylines and new characters were spot on as far as im concerned.


Lastly fury of the sunwell chaper 12 was the culmination and recreated perfevtly by tomoraider as the finale of the TBC storyline. And most importantly the finale of the battle sparks the blood elves sunwell being cleansed and the race being fueled through the power of the light. Curing the magic addicition that drove their race to such desperation and fel magic.

 

[tomoraider]

You said CotF is sequal no one asked for...... you sound like a fucking dick. Nevermind it was made firat

The story is based on the burning crusade is RotBE and wotlk CotF. And both campaigns first arc is based on their racial Warcraft storylines.

Th e epiloguea of RotBE is based on the short story shadows of the the sun and sets up the wotlk prelude.

That's very disrespectful. Psaraq's criticisms are all well though out, and he was definitely not rude or anything about it.

I'm on it! Firstly, let me clarify that by "the last two chapters" I meant Chapter Twelve: Fury of the Sunwell and the Epilogue. Secondly, I'd like to make clear that I only have problems with the story aspects, not the gameplay. Well, to be completely fair, the Epilogue's gameplay isn't terribly interesting, just walking from point A to point B in a city, but it's perfectly understandable given the chapter's aim, and besides, the city is really beautiful. Chapter 12 was obviously awesome gameplay-wise.

So, let's get to it. For me Chapter 12 felt really out of place. We have this great story of blood elves (in particular our heroes) with a conflict that's perfectly set up in Chapter 1, develops throughout the next 9 Chapters and finally ends in Chapter 11. After a big and hard fight we destroy Kael's forces, and as a reward we get a grand cinematic finale in which the evil Kael dies, Alessandra redeems herself through sacrifice, Aewynne admits her mistakes, and basically everything is resolved. Maybe add Kael as an enemy hero in Chapter 11 or let us fight him in a short separate chapter just before the cinematic to make the victory even more satisfying, maybe do a short epilogue after the cinematic to explain that Lor'themar becomes the king and the blood elves are safe again, maybe hint at the events in Curse of the Forsaken if you wish to, but really you're basically done. Great, satisfying story.

What happens instead however puzzles me. Kael miraculously survives, somehow, and we have to stop him *again*! Since there's no real explanation for that and it's not hinted at anywhere, and there is no build-up to his return, it just feels annoying rather than exciting. In Curse of the Forsaken, for example, we get rid of Varimathras and he also comes back later on and destroys our city, and then again ruins our plans near the Frozen Throne, but it's all right because we had hints that Phaelynne may still be under his influence, we just knew he had to come back eventually. Here it just feels like a rushed sequel nobody asked for.

My second problem is: have you noticed how long the description of Chapter 12 is (it doesn't even fit on my screen, to be honest)? At the very end of the game you introduce two new vital characters that we hadn't even heard of before. They are so out of place you have to write an essay-long introduction for us to even have any idea what's going on. It's a huge problem because we don't really feel any connection to them at all. The long section of the fight when the dragon man declares his love to the girl and she has to die etc., was supposed to be very emotional but it doesn't make us feel anything or maybe even comes off as forced because we've only met the characters a few minutes ago and thus we just don't care about them at all.

As for the Epilogue, I just felt like it was too long given the lack of events and not focused enough on the issues we were interested in. I think it would be better to just tell us what happened to our heroes and don't get into the politics so much (the talk between the master mage and the diplomat being especially unnecessary), with the exception of the Sylvanas part which was a nice prologue to Curse of the Forsaken.

It's all just my opinion, of course. I'm sure WoW players would have a different one (like you and @Nmesa do in the case of Curse of the Forsaken), as would many non-WoW players, I presume. Also I've no idea how much of the story was by you and how much was by Blizzard, so sorry if I criticized something that wasn't even your idea! Again, let me stress that apart from the above I really really loved Rise of the Blood Elves.

Ah, I see, but I partly agree. Chapter Twelve does feel out of place, the problem with it is that it's 100% based on WoW's patch 2.4. Kael'thas surviving is a weird plot point I took from WoW, and Anveena and Kalecgos feel out of nowhere because it's the same in WoW. Their story actually comes a from a comic book called The Sunwell Trilogy. But yes, I do agree that this whole part of the campaign is probably different for WoW and for non-WoW players.

However, I do not agree the story of the blood elves ends in Chapter Eleven. The whole story is about the blood elves reclaiming their old glory, they do this in part after they retake Quel'Thalas, but they're still missing the Sunwell, and this story is continued by Kael'thas. While that was not the goal of the rest of the characters after Quel'Thalas, Chapter Twelve does finish that part of the story.

 

[ZodiackTV]

Congrats on 100k downloads man, you deserve it!

 

[CC_Chavez]

This is an awesome campaign it is basically PERFECT and I love the story-line. The new Lich king though hahaha

 

[JCarrill0]

Just downloaded this version (I had the old version) and I plan to download this after I play RotBE 3.0

 

[Kyrbi0]

Ah, I see, but I partly agree. Chapter Twelve does feel out of place, the problem with it is that it's 100% based on WoW's patch 2.4. Kael'thas surviving is a weird plot point I took from WoW, and Anveena and Kalecgos feel out of nowhere because it's the same in WoW. Their story actually comes a from a comic book called The Sunwell Trilogy. But yes, I do agree that this whole part of the campaign is probably different for WoW and for non-WoW players.

However, I do not agree the story of the blood elves ends in Chapter Eleven. The whole story is about the blood elves reclaiming their old glory, they do this in part after they retake Quel'Thalas, but they're still missing the Sunwell, and this story is continued by Kael'thas. While that was not the goal of the rest of the characters after Quel'Thalas, Chapter Twelve does finish that part of the story.

Perhaps, then, something to be considered would be to do it better than Blizzard did it (gasp). Like, if in WoW they randomly introduce these two characters way late in the story, you have the power in your story to modify that; introduce them, even just a little, earlier, and perhaps reference them once or twice. You shouldn't need to drastically change everything around, but "put the gun on the mantle" in Ch1 so that when it's shot in Ch10, everyone's on the same page. Blizzard failing to do so doesn't mean you have to. : )

Similarly with Kael. Him surviving beyond the initial death could, perhaps in some way, be foreshadowed somewhere in the campaign (NOTE: I have not played either of these campaigns, so I have no idea if this is even possible or really what's going on. Spoilers lol). A "weird plot point" doesn't sound like something I'd choose to recreate, personally, but since you have, might as well make it less weird. : )

For the final point, it sounds like that's just a (relatively) simple matter of (once again) foreshadowing. For whatever reason, psaraq felt that recapturing Quel'Thalas was a fitting end, one that appropriately wrapped up the story's arc. So then recapturing the Sunwell felt tacked on (if I'm understanding both of you correctly). Simply foreshadowing that point ("Quel'thalas is our goal, but the Sunwell our aim" // "We must take Quel'thalas, but only as a stepping stone to taking the Sunwell" // "Without the Sunwell, all this [Q'thalas] is as ash in the wind") in several points throughout the the campaign will help make it clear that no, we are not done, even though Quel'thalas is secured.


Just my $0.02 as a burgeoning writer. Again, disclaimer, I haven't even touched these campaigns yet (sad, I know), so what I'm talking about might be totally ridiculous/already done/silly/impossible/whatever.

 

[tomoraider]

Congrats on 100k downloads man, you deserve it!

Thank you, it's a bit unreal number!

This is an awesome campaign it is basically PERFECT and I love the story-line. The new Lich king though hahaha

Thanks, glad you liked it!

Perhaps, then, something to be considered would be to do it better than Blizzard did it (gasp). Like, if in WoW they randomly introduce these two characters way late in the story, you have the power in your story to modify that; introduce them, even just a little, earlier, and perhaps reference them once or twice. You shouldn't need to drastically change everything around, but "put the gun on the mantle" in Ch1 so that when it's shot in Ch10, everyone's on the same page. Blizzard failing to do so doesn't mean you have to. : )

Similarly with Kael. Him surviving beyond the initial death could, perhaps in some way, be foreshadowed somewhere in the campaign (NOTE: I have not played either of these campaigns, so I have no idea if this is even possible or really what's going on. Spoilers lol). A "weird plot point" doesn't sound like something I'd choose to recreate, personally, but since you have, might as well make it less weird. : )

For the final point, it sounds like that's just a (relatively) simple matter of (once again) foreshadowing. For whatever reason, psaraq felt that recapturing Quel'Thalas was a fitting end, one that appropriately wrapped up the story's arc. So then recapturing the Sunwell felt tacked on (if I'm understanding both of you correctly). Simply foreshadowing that point ("Quel'thalas is our goal, but the Sunwell our aim" // "We must take Quel'thalas, but only as a stepping stone to taking the Sunwell" // "Without the Sunwell, all this [Q'thalas] is as ash in the wind") in several points throughout the the campaign will help make it clear that no, we are not done, even though Quel'thalas is secured.


Just my $0.02 as a burgeoning writer. Again, disclaimer, I haven't even touched these campaigns yet (sad, I know), so what I'm talking about might be totally ridiculous/already done/silly/impossible/whatever.

Hmmm, I agree with you, some foreshadowing would make it less out of nowhere. When I do a next update, I will try to add those.

 

[WORNOXCOOL]

Shud do a Voice Over on both Rise of The Blood Elves & this campaign (Curse of The Forsaken) too. That'll b awesome.

 

[LISBOAH]

Awesome campaign, I loved it! The plot is good, I like the Forsaken units and upgrades. This campaign is truly a masterpiece!

I didn't like Jaina's personality at this campaign, though. She seemed like the Jaina after the destruction of Theramore and I hate her racism and mistrust. She seemed far more sympathetic towards Arthas than to Sylvanas, even though Sylvanas is her ally and Arthas has killed far more people and commited far more atrocities than Sylvanas. She even seems to berate Vereesa for still caring for Sylvanas, while she herself still has feelings for Arthas, the man responsible for the destruction of two kingdoms, millions of deaths and the suffering of many others.
I actually liked the interactions between Sylvanas and Vereesa. It served to show that Sylvanas still retains parts of ''humanity'' despite her thirst for revenge and cursed state and that Vereesa still loves her sister, even if she is an undead.

 

[tomoraider]

Awesome campaign, I loved it! The plot is good, I like the Forsaken units and upgrades. This campaign is truly a masterpiece!

I didn't like Jaina's personality at this campaign, though. She seemed like the Jaina after the destruction of Theramore and I hate her racism and mistrust. She seemed far more sympathetic towards Arthas than to Sylvanas, even though Sylvanas is her ally and Arthas has killed far more people and commited far more atrocities than Sylvanas. She even seems to berate Vereesa for still caring for Sylvanas, while she herself still has feelings for Arthas, the man responsible for the destruction of two kingdoms, millions of deaths and the suffering of many others.
I actually liked the interactions between Sylvanas and Vereesa. It served to show that Sylvanas still retains parts of ''humanity'' despite her thirst for revenge and cursed state and that Vereesa still loves her sister, even if she is an undead.

Thank you, glad you liked it. I agree with you about Jaina, if I update the campaign, I plan to change Jaina's behavior.

 

[LISBOAH]

Thank you, glad you liked it. I agree with you about Jaina, if I update the campaign, I plan to change Jaina's behavior.

Thank you.
I actually preferred Varian and Jaina on the first version of your campaign. These ones are nothing more but racists and hypocrites, claiming that Sylvanas cannot be trusted when they are the ones that are plotting behind her back, like talking with Rhonin. Each phrase of theirs just made me so pissed that I almost wished that Sylvanas rejoined the Scourge and kill them all, but not before saying something like this "you all saw me as a monster, and now I am one, are you happy now?" This is one of the main reasons I stand more at the side of the Horde, since they are more forgiving and tolerant.

And on the "Memories" interlude, Varian's comment that the high elves sufered the way they did because of Sylvanas made my blood boil in anger. Sylvanas is one of my favorite warcraft characters without a doubt and I think she is the way she is because she knows that the overall world will never accept the existence of the Forsaken, so why bother being a "hero" and having morales and honor?

 

[Mythical Ace]

Tomoraider Like it!! I know some bugs may occur, but no games is perfect! Scale it 5/5!