Cmon guys! I love hive, but we're not neccesarily catching up with Mapster!

[lightning brigade]

As stated, we need to catch up with Mapster. I have a few suggestions that I would like ralle's attention.

1) We need to be actively participating in SC2, as well as making our Starcraft forums more...noticeable.

2)We can't hang onto the past forever, we are going to become as Sparse in numbers and as latched onto old traditions as the Protoss of Starcraft I. And yet...the Protoss have found new mobility in Starcraft II so why can't we?

3) Continuing from point 1 & 2, we need to broadcast that we are Starcraft on the front page. I know our roots are in Warcraft III but we can adapt, so make the forums bigger. Also, we need more forums, and not just sub forums.

4) Starcraft II contests would be welcome, as well as some people guiding newbies to our site.

5) We need to attract the best and brightest to our site, and we should be able to upload Starcraft II maps, just so we can get feedback on them(or at least have a Feedback Forum.

These are my five points, Discuss.

Edit: I will be adding more points

6) since starcraft II is sectionalized(separate servers for each country/region) we need a map transition system. I am in the U.S. and would be happy to help Europeans bring their maps to the U.S. and give my maps to someone to bring them to Europe.

7) continuing from 5 & 6 we badly need to be able to post our maps so people have proof of ownership and can therefore have maps in both Europe, Asia, Australia, the Americas, Etc.

 

[~Void~]

If we focus entirely on SC2, WC3 modding (as a whole) will probably die out. Fuck that. At the very most, we should split the focus evenly.

 

[Latecat]

hmm i agree with you.

for the part 4, there arent many contests to make out there, e.g model making can be a shitload harder (i really am not sure but as far as ive heard its true) and skins...well im not sure about it either, but for maps and melee combats, i highly suggest.
for melee, we would need both NA and EU for a reason ofc with the best players either being a part of it or as judges (i suggest, considering purplepoot for example...)

my thoughts about all parts (except part 4 which is above)
part 1: yes. i agree.
part 2: rofl, cant say anything to that
part 3: like Tosh in liberty campaign would say: ''Damn straight!''
part 5: high five.

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If we focus entirely on SC2, WC3 modding (as a whole) will probably die out. Fuck that. At the very most, we should split the focus evenly.

seconded.

 

[lightning brigade]

If we focus entirely on SC2, WC3 modding (as a whole) will probably die out. Fuck that. At the very most, we should split the focus evenly.

Please don't assume, because I suggested to make it a Primarily SC2 forum doesn't mean it will be totally SC2, in fact, Warcraft III modding is great, but we need to help some SC2 modders because frankly, these guys have absolutely no idea what they are doing. The editor is 1000x more complicated than the Warcraft III and Starcraft I editor combined. This would be a great place for them to learn the ropes, because we can't all be great at the World Editor of Warcraft III and have transitive knowledge of this similar yet dissimilar editor.

Head here if you don't believe me, my name's Laertes BTW.

 

[HFR]

Agreed with Void.

However, as the Wc3 community is still big and strong, the SC2 "part" of the site could be smaller. This can (and possibly will) change with time, of course.

 

[mrzwach]

I'm working on figuring out if a SC2 cross region melee tournament is possible. I already have 4 guest passes collected for NA, and one for EU, so if we could get server switching to work it could be possible.

 

[Anti_Bodies]

I think Starcraft II should have just as many features/contests on this site as Warcraft III.

And I think its time to shift the focus to Starcraft II. The Hive Workshop exists (now) for modders. I think the Warcraft III modding community has run its course. And It was a great ffing run. Literally changed my (young) life. But the future is Starcraft II. It would be great for the Hive Workshop to fully back Starcraft II to accelerate its modding development.

Though Warcraft III resource moderation and contests should be as they are now.

 

[Arhowk]

ATM, we have 180 members online.. i dont think sc2mapster is beating us.

 

[Just_Spectating]

i don't even have the game yet so chill

 

[Dr Super Good]

Stuff will change, just it is progressing slowly.

 

[lightning brigade]

I sent the post of suggestions to Ralle's inbox, if a lot of people show interest, I'm sure Ralle will KNOW the future of Hive. We just have to help Ralle shift his focus with suggestions, if anyone has any, shoot away.

 

[Karawasa]

However, as the Wc3 community is still big and strong, the SC2 "part" of the site could be smaller. This can (and possibly will) change with time, of course.

Haha...what the fuck? I think you swapped WC3 and SC2 by accident?

Back to the topic on hand, I agree. If this site is going to continue being worthwhile, it must keep up with the times.

 

[deathreaven]

The game's been out less than a month. It takes time to get enough people comfortable with the editor to churn stuff out for contests, also, this section is smaller because it's new. The W3 section has had years to develop. Personally I'd rather see the W3's polished section than the unpolished SCII section when I log on.

 

[lightning brigade]

The game's been out less than a month. It takes time to get enough people comfortable with the editor to churn stuff out for contests, also, this section is smaller because it's new. The W3 section has had years to develop. Personally I'd rather see the W3's polished section than the unpolished SCII section when I log on.

All I wanted was conformation from Ralle that he was speedily working on a new UI for the "polishing" of our Starcraft website, being the Hive, we should take on a Zerg Theme imo, anyway, I believe that if Ralle is working on it, he could use our feedback. So add your feedback to this post, I already gave Ralle the link.

 

[Anti_Bodies]

Actually the beta editor has been out for quite some time. Also the hive slowly built itself from nothing. Now their already is a full fledge website and very experienced staff manning it, not to mention many thousands of users. It should not take years for the SC2 portion of this site to develop. Their already is a battle hardened community.

Edit:

All I wanted was conformation from Ralle that he was speedily working on a new UI for the "polishing" of our Starcraft website, being the Hive, we should take on a Zerg Theme imo, anyway, I believe that if Ralle is working on it, he could use our feedback. So add your feedback to this post, I already gave Ralle the link.

Agreed.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Consider that, SC2 has harder models and textures, it takes more time to make them, not to say dont have the proper tools other than 3ds max w/o other alternative. War3 allows more flexibility when it comes to contests and such, as ppl make tons. Though I agree the number of war3 models is getting too high, not to say too similar as a type.

 

[Karawasa]

No one is going to argue that it is easier to mod for WC3 currently. I think the main point has been missed though. That being, no one plays WC3 anymore.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

As much as im from the guys that leave WC3 for good (just very soon), still some do play. Melee (umm my players who dont wanna move to sc2 :/) and for mapmaking.

 

[Karawasa]

Don't take no one literally. There are obviously some people still playing it. But if you compare SC2 to WC3, it is like no one is left.

 

[viiva]

The main reason I visit SC2Mapster over THW is because of
1. The large amount of maps and active projects.
2. The frequent updates about some interesting projects on the main page. This way you can keep up with the editor's capabilities and overall community progress without having to use the editor yourself.

I'd like to see THW focus a bit more on recourses (icons, models, spells, tools?).

 

[Rui]

Ralle has been working on THW 2 for quite some time. I suggested that, until he finished, we should arrange our forums like this. If I had more support on that (which is to say, more people posting on that thread; it isn't yet too late), perhaps SC2 Modding would be more noticeable now. But I advertised it countless times in the Chat and no one seemed to care.

Right now, this forum receives attention because of the link at the top. But creating a sub-category inside this forum was a wrong idea because we can't directly access the Galaxy Editor Help Zone, Project Development and the Tutorials from the main forum index.

As for a Map Section, it has been said before: every map must go through Blizzard's servers in order to be played, even if it's Single Player. It is useless to create a Map Section because, seemingly, you won't be able to play them. Our feedback forum is named Project Development.

 

[kewlthis]

I agree with original poster.

Iv abandoned wc3 for a long time, but im pumped up to start mapping again with sc2

 

[Grey Nightmare]

I'm working on figuring out if a SC2 cross region melee tournament is possible. I already have 4 guest passes collected for NA, and one for EU, so if we could get server switching to work it could be possible.

Yeah you can switch server and play with guest passes. Highly doubt your supposed to know/be able to though.

 

[Pyritie]

ATM, we have 180 members online.. i dont think sc2mapster is beating us.

Maybe not in overall activity but they're certainly beating us on SC2 maps/resources.

Ralle has been working on THW 2 for quite some time. I suggested that, until he finished, we should arrange our forums like this. If I had more support on that (which is to say, more people posting on that thread; it isn't yet too late), perhaps SC2 Modding would be more noticeable now. But I advertised it countless times in the Chat and no one seemed to care.

Right now, this forum receives attention because of the link at the top. But creating a sub-category inside this forum was a wrong idea because we can't directly access the Galaxy Editor Help Zone, Project Development and the Tutorials from the main forum index.

As for a Map Section, it has been said before: every map must go through Blizzard's servers in order to be played, even if it's Single Player. It is useless to create a Map Section because, seemingly, you won't be able to play them. Our feedback forum is named Project Development.

Plus Ralle also said that hive 2.0 will focus equally on WC3 and SC2. (adding more to your post, not arguing against it)

I would like to see an SC2 resource section here soon though. I think our WC3 resources are one of the main attractions of the hive. Since map uploading won't really be possible, we can still have all of the other resources.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

As I said, I now realize X region is crucial, more than any other feature. That's just Blizzard's epic fail from the whole SC2 creation thing.

 

[Statharas]

Please don't assume, because I suggested to make it a Primarily SC2 forum doesn't mean it will be totally SC2, in fact, Warcraft III modding is great, but we need to help some SC2 modders because frankly, these guys have absolutely no idea what they are doing. The editor is 1000x more complicated than the Warcraft III and Starcraft I editor combined. This would be a great place for them to learn the ropes, because we can't all be great at the World Editor of Warcraft III and have transitive knowledge of this similar yet dissimilar editor.

Head here if you don't believe me, my name's Laertes BTW.

The Sc editor was more like......................................................................... No editor.

 

[lightning brigade]

The Sc editor was more like......................................................................... No editor.

Let me guess:you couldn't figure it out...well, at least try and learn!

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

The Sc editor was more like......................................................................... No editor.

SC's editor was good for its time.

I don't really know what else to say. I had a lot of fun with it, despite how primitive it was, and its custom games were relatively popular, much like WC3 games during their time.

 

[Walle]

I really hope SC2 section will be updated soon, so i can start making and uploading resources. I do not believe this is some sort of competition... and i do believe ralle is doing his best with THW 2.0

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

The Sc editor was more like......................................................................... No editor.

Hey it wasnt that bad. I barely used triggers (haha) in the 90s but it was still a good editor for its time. Bunkery was the best mod.

 

[Statharas]

Hey it wasnt that bad. I barely used triggers (haha) in the 90s but it was still a good editor for its time. Bunkery was the best mod.

It had triggers :O?

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Ofc. But I think they were less understandable than war3's. I remember it had If,Then,Else

 

[Linaze]

The starcraft editor was fine. The Warcraft II editor on the other hand, that was some primitive shit.

On topic, someone said this isn't a competition, but that's exactly what it is, without a constant (or nearly) flow of new members, a modding site like the Hive will eventually die from inactivity. The competition are the other sites trying to attract (steal) the new people. In order to prevent this, Hive has to get a lot better at attracting these people.

Also, if I remember correctly, this Sc2Mapster is run by Curse gaming which has quite a reputation, and you'd all do well in not underestimating them in this battle for new people.

My suggestion(s)?
A sister site, much like wc3c/sc2c. Either that or making this site mainly focused on Sc2 modding, if people come here looking for Galaxy Editor-related stuff and find a site mainly focused on Wc3, there's a high chance they'll leave and not come back.

 

[Just_Spectating]

wait.
what?
this is turning into another one of those "which editor is better" threads..



I think this site will advance when we receive the modding tools

 

[Pyritie]

A sister site, much like wc3c/sc2c. Either that or making this site mainly focused on Sc2 modding, if people come here looking for Galaxy Editor-related stuff and find a site mainly focused on Wc3, there's a high chance they'll leave and not come back.

Or we could become the resource dump like we are for WC3

 

[syltman]

Perhaps for starters a wiki on all tools and data editing stuff. Everyone only needs to contribute with one option/one action and we'll have the best documentation for galaxy editor out there, this way those who have been editing warcraft 3/starcraft etc. will have a easier time to catch up with GE as they don't really need tutorials on how to do stuff. After that we should have more tutorials etc. flooding in making our site more attractive for completely new people.

 

[Teelo]

Mapster is run by Sixen, so I'm going to avoid moving there.

However, noone ever wants to join my projects when I advertise here, so I don't know what I will do...

 

[viiva]

Mapster is run by Sixen, so I'm going to avoid moving there.

Why is that?

 

[Pyritie]

Perhaps for starters a wiki on all tools and data editing stuff. Everyone only needs to contribute with one option/one action and we'll have the best documentation for galaxy editor out there, this way those who have been editing warcraft 3/starcraft etc. will have a easier time to catch up with GE as they don't really need tutorials on how to do stuff. After that we should have more tutorials etc. flooding in making our site more attractive for completely new people.

A wiki could be useful :0

 

[lightning brigade]

Where do you guys propose this wiki goes? Maybe our good Dr can help us organize it, for now, I just need some more details.

 

[mrzwach]

I would say add in a link to it at the top, like the resources for WC3 are. It needs to be easily accessible. Perhaps add in a link to it on the SC2 forums too,

 

[TwentyThree]

I would say add in a link to it at the top, like the resources for WC3 are. It needs to be easily accessible. Perhaps add in a link to it on the SC2 forums too,

that would make the most sense. We could even have the links for what will come into being, like forums for different things, seperated by a line at the top...

WC III Stuff | SC II Stuff
>_>

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

However, noone ever wants to join my projects when I advertise here, so I don't know what I will do...

Bad presentation perhaps? Don't blame the community for something that's most likely your own problem.

Thread about the wiki found here:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/starcraft-ii-408/unofficial-user-created-hive-wiki-175693/

All the resources should all be clearly accessible from the main page and not have the need to switch themes (the overall site theme should stick with whatever you set it to, not the whole switch when you enter the sc2 section thing we have going on now) or something like that to view them imo.

 

[Teelo]

Why is that?

Me and Sixen have... history

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

^You and battle net forums also have history.

Oh I did see some maps with SC2Mapster Map preview, never seen maps with preview of hiveworkshop.com on it.

 

[Anti_Bodies]

I would say add in a link to it at the top, like the resources for WC3 are. It needs to be easily accessible. Perhaps add in a link to it on the SC2 forums too,

that would make the most sense. We could even have the links for what will come into being, like forums for different things, seperated by a line at the top...

WC III Stuff | SC II Stuff
>_>

I agree 100%. I think that is supposed to be coming? I don't know why it is taking so long. However I will make a note that I do not understand HTML and their may be complications I simply don't know about. Also this is a free site. So I won't protest my complaints.

 

[JackRCDF]

I don't suppose there's any chance of THW staying WC3 focussed, and having the SC2 mappers move to staredit.net? Reason I ask is that THW and SeN are similiar, just SeN is for SC1 and 2, whereas THW is for WC3.

 

[Anti_Bodies]

I don't suppose there's any chance of THW staying WC3 focussed, and having the SC2 mappers move to staredit.net? Reason I ask is that THW and SeN are similiar, just SeN is for SC1 and 2, whereas THW is for WC3.

To the contrary it seems that at minimum Warcraft 3 will be on equal footing with this site, if not above Starcraft 2. So you can suppose their is a chance that THW will stay WC3 "focussed".

 

[lightning brigade]

I don't suppose there's any chance of THW staying WC3 focussed, and having the SC2 mappers move to staredit.net? Reason I ask is that THW and SeN are similiar, just SeN is for SC1 and 2, whereas THW is for WC3.

I'm not going to flame you by calling you dumb, but what I am going to do is say
that if you want hive to stay alive, they won't keep to the wc III theme.

While you might not want to move on to starcraft II, the truth is, we'll be bulldozed by bigger sites in no time. We're not going to stay in wc III, if anything warcraft will be at MOST equal footing with sc2, only by way of design, and as time passes, the community will push forward and make their way in starcraft II. It is unfortunate that people who dislike the starcraft editor think the world revolves around them.

I speak for a good amount of the community that wish to have even ground with warcraft, I dislike one being more important than the other, as starcraft progresses, the warcraft side will become smaller and smaller, and finally, starcraft 2 will become dominant.

Learn from the past, as it says that this outcome is inevitable...

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

^__ +1
I see more than one saying THW should stay with WC3. Dont you realize that if ppl move to other forums this places will be only with some n00bs asking how to use the WC3 editor, while others are already at SC2. That would be a pathetic picture. If you want THW to die, go ahead, stay with war3 section, I dont use forums anymore, the exception is THW.