(Closed) Orc Sub-Hero(es)

[Miss_Foxy]

Or maybe give one player control over Cairne, while the other control too depending on different events.

 

[Zzonehardy]

If you wanna go with Lore... there was that one Grunt at the Beginning of the Orc Campaign with Rexxar he dies... but he is very much alive for most of the first orc campaign

 

[Lich Prince]

Mogrin was a simple messenger mate.

 

[Princsky]

Why dont you make it like this
Level 1: Thrall + Nazgrell withuot wolf
Level 2: Thrall + Nazgrell withuot wolf
Level 3: Thrall + Nazgrell with wolf
Level 4: Grom + Nazgrell with wolf
it woud be like he got a wolf from the wolfrider of warsong

 

[Lich Prince]

Actually it's like this:

- O1 - Thrall & Nazgrel THEN Thrall & Cairne
- O2 - Thrall & Cairne
- O3 - Thrall & Nazgrel (Grom possibly controlled by a 3rd player)
- O4 - Grom & Nazgrel
- O5 - Grom & Nazgrel
- O6 - Thrall & Cairne
- O7 - Thrall & Cairne
- O8 - Thrall & Cairne (Jaina possibly controlled by a 3rd player)

Though I don't know if Spoon will change the model halfway through the campaign, it's up to him.

 

[Princsky]

and were shoud nazgrel go

 

[TheSpoon]

Yea, we're using the fel and normal model made by that guy (forgot his name)
And its just as Lich says.
Nazgrel is apparantly going to become fel for a bit

 

[Princsky]

and what will hapen when he becomes normal again and when he becomes fel will he be ever seen again like in the last map as a guard of grom or soomething

 

[TheSpoon]

I was thinking of using him in the custom Orc chapter, but thats been cancelled now unfortunately :C

 

[Deolrin]

Wouldn't it be kind of cool if there were two soul gems(one for Jaina\Cairne, one for Thrall), and you had to rescue both Grom and Nazgrel?

 

[Princsky]

thats a nice idea which i was saying all the time
in that last mission does grom reincarnate if you accidently kill him?

 

[Lich Prince]

Wouldn't it be kind of cool if there were two soul gems(one for Jaina\Cairne, one for Thrall), and you had to rescue both Grom and Nazgrel?

Check this page.

 

[Blackrockorc]

I think it'd b cool for some sort of prelude with mogrin getting the orders and his journy through barrens b4 being untimely killed. it could just be a hack and slash til he dies. it'd seem like a minigame in nature

 

[Deolrin]

They're discussing the RoC campaign.

 

[Zzonehardy]

Lol I guess that is why you READ the previous posts before posting

 

[Blackrockorc]

If those last two comments were directed toward me.... i know they are talking about the campaign. I played the human one. I just thought id suggest like some short secret mission or prelude to the opening cinematic with Rexxer meeting mogrin dying.

 

[Deolrin]

But Rexxar meeting Mogrin dying is the TFT campaign. They didn't even finish remaking all the RoC campaigns. :/

 

[Direfury]

I only managed getting to Page 6, and I have to point this out. Thrall sent the Warsongs into Ashenvale, and adding Nazgrel into those areas doesn't seem accurate. If anything, that Grunt who kept speaking out against Hellscream should be a hero, maybe a general or something, obviously with a souped up model. You won't have to add a new character, just take any random Orcish name and give the Grunt Hero that. I'd be more than happy to do up a model for this Grunt aswell.

Since he's just a random character, you could corrupt him and still keep to the story, allowing for a single Soul Gem. In addition, it wouldn't really matter if he died.


Hell, I could list off all the possibilities right off for the Undead campaign right now, if you want.

 

[TheSpoon]

This is what I've decided - I understand some of you may not like this, but this is how I'm gonna do it.

HEROES FOR EACH LEVEL:
- O1 - Thrall & Nazgrel THEN Thrall & Cairne
- O2 - Thrall & Cairne
- O3 - Thrall & Nazgrel
- O4 - Grom & Nazgrel
- O5 - Grom & Nazgrel
- O6 - Thrall & Cairne
- O7 - Thrall & Cairne
- O8 - Thrall & Cairne

BUT WHY IS NAZGREL GOING WITH GROM?:
To keep an eye on him - however Nazgrel is known to be quite hot headed like Grom, and goes with the plan to drink from the fountain.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST MISSION?:
Nazgrel is an optional hero in the map that you can choose to rescue using the Soul Gem (quite far away from Grom) - who becomes a usable hero for the remainder of the mission.
The battle with Grom will be quite a bit harder in insane mode so you'll probably need him!

SO WHAT KIND OF HERO IS NAZGREL?:
Class name: War Seer (Melee, STR)
Model(s): Normal Fel
Spells:
- Call of Thunder - Strikes the ground at the target location after 3 seconds - dealing AoE damage. Purges all targets.
- Flame Blades - Nazgrel's attacks for the next 15 seconds cause splash damage and extra damage.
- Protective Earth - Target ally recieves bonus armor and health regeneration.
(NO ULTIMATE SPELL)
Spells (Fel):
- Burning Meteor - Strikes the ground at the target location after 3 seconds - dealing AoE damage. Stuns all targets.
- Flame Blades - Nazgrel's attacks for the next 15 seconds cause splash damage and extra damage.
- Crippling Fear - Target enemy suffers reduced attack and movement speed.
(NO ULTIMATE SPELL)

 

[TheSpoon]

(I apologise for double post, but it is for notification reasons)

I've completed the Nazgrel hero - take a look here:
The map is only 1 player at the moment I'm afraid.

I'm happy with the hero - except the buff/effect for Earth Protection.

 

[rcshaggy]

I'm not really sure having Nazgrel, turning into a Chaos Orc, and it doesn't make any sense to do it.
Not saying its a bad idea at all mind you, but do you know that Grom could have his own Warsong Raider Hero?

 

[Lich Prince]

That would cause chaos to the current Hero Save/Load system.

 

[TheSpoon]

Well, probably not.
I'd rather have some consistency with the sub-hero - that is all.

 

[rcshaggy]

Just tested out the map and be sure to leave Nazgrel's own voice set for the hero, and what will be the ultimate for him?

 

[TheSpoon]

I decided on no ulti - seen as you don't use him in the later levels.
And I kinda gave him the grunt soundset so that he could fill in for the bits where a grunt talks to thrall ^^'.

 

[Anzure]

naa i think in the grom chapter he would be lvl 6 (cuz chapter 5 grom and nazgrel would be on lvl 6) so i would recomend you add an ult to nazgrel, appart of this you are thinking on the possibility to add him on the last chapter and use him to save grom with him so i would think i would fine add him an ultimate.

 

[McQvaBlood]

Actually, Grom can level to 10 on Chapter 5, so there is no point in preventing Nazgrel from doing so as well.
I urge you to reconsider your decision.

 

[TheSpoon]

Well, bearing in mind he'll already be getting 2 new spells on that level when he changes Fel.
So theres not really any point in designing one specifically to non fel.
And he'd ONLY be able to use it on that level.
So I'm unsure.

EDIT:
For the moment I've decided there will be no ulti spell.
Perhaps I will reconsider after I've tested the gameplay of the level, but in my opinion it won't be necessary.

If you wish to discuss anything about Nazgrel or the orc Campaign in general please see the other thread.
Some posts from this thread have already been moved there!
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