Clash of Legends 0.82

[Moderator]

18:23, 3rd Jun 2013
Orcnet: Hell_Master's review:

Hey there! Played your map and I must say you are near on getting this approved but there are still little and big things to consider, bro. Let me give you my review:

[+] Good Points:
-I like the Hero Selection System. You are just gonna click tthe hero in a Full Screen Option at the screen. Sounds unique to me!
-Items are good and useful in battle and it has recipes that makes it better but you should add more items that have abilities so items can more serve its purposes in battle
-Quite decent amount of hero

[-] Bad Points:
-No offense but the terrain looks somehow bad. The way you mix tiles is very weird because you mixed manmade tiles with environment tiles and that should be avoided at all cost because it makes it more unrealistic. Also it is quite flat and empty. I suggest is use the Raise/ Lower tool to make different variations or level into the ground and fill it up with some doodads mostly basic doodads such as rocks and such.... Now to judge the terrain as an AOS, the lanes are quite narrow and because of that creeps sometimes got stuck and stopped in the way. You should make the lanes wider.
-Sometimes at some point my hero becomes crazy and uncontrollable. Wierd, right?
-Heroes are not unique, the spells are not that interesting and are Blizzard made. I suggest here is add some more uniqueness into it. Make custom spells but not only by changing spell description, models and such but triggering them.
-You made a quite wide area for the base but it is not even fully occupied because of the small amount of buildings there. I suggest is decorate it or add buildings maybe.

[] Suggestions:
-Some major terrain improvements here. Tips were exactly said above.
-Fix the weird bug about heroes getting uncontrollable and still need to press F1 just to control it again.
-Heroes are not unqiue at all, please do make it more unqiue by making somehing special on its skill and make it serve its purpose more of a tank, healer or such.
-Fill the base with more buildings or decorate it.

Overall, this still needs some work before getting approved. Rated 2/5 and voting for Pending until improvements are done!

Happy mapmaking there and good luck!

 

[Doomguy80]

-you are very skillful with the editor but i dont like the selection of hero because i cant have the liberty of read descriptions of abilities and that stuff
add something to add description windows when the user puts the mouse on them

How would I do that?

-the selection of power, the text is all comprimed and it is not confortable, space it more or reduce words.

Thank you for the advice! Will do.

-maybe you can add some doads like flowers, mushrooms, some fishes in the water or shells

I've been doing that with a few of my other maps. That surprises me because I can't believe I have forgotten that for this (my pride and joy).

EDIT:

-is a dota so game play is fun

I thought I said that it WASN'T a DotA
(jk)

 

[Doomguy80]

Defense of the Ancients (DotA) is a multiplayer online battle arena mod for the video game Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and its expansion, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for StarCraft. The objective of the scenario is for each team to destroy the opponents' Ancient, heavily guarded structures at opposing corners of the map.

K nevermind
Isn't it funny though, how Wikipedia has a definition of everything on it?

EDIT:

you can put the icon as a building, and inside the building the option of train hero and there the explanation of the hero trained.

That could be pretty hard to fix, seeing as the trigger uses the same unit for each building, and I will have to make 25 different buildings. Still, I think I can do it.

 

[Doomguy80]

I have it so that the trigger is a little bit different. I think I have an idea as to how I will do this, but it will still be pretty tedious.

EDIT: Would getting a quest work? You would click on the icon, and you could open the quest menu to see a bunch of information on the hero, starting with its skills and type.

 

[Daffa]

I remember this map, why don't you update the old one and tell Orcnet or Kobas for re reviewing.

 

[Doomguy80]

I remember this map, why don't you update the old one and tell Orcnet or Kobas for re reviewing.

It got pretty full with all of the comments that didn't match with this new version. Decided that it might be better to just make a new post on it. Whether that was good or bad, I honestly don't know.

 

[Daffa]

Hmm, I'll see what Orcnet/Kobas think, anyway, testing time.

EDIT :

I just remember that you aren't allowed to upload the Same map even if it's fixed, I will see which one Orcnet/Kobas will reject and which one will be left at pending, it's not a matter for the old infos, because when your Map become famous one day, they will now that many people have helped you and it's not easy reaching it, so they will become amazed at your work.

 

[Doomguy80]

Ahkay sorry.
btw I still need to fix 1 or 2 things. It won't take long (no more than 1-2 days), so I will update the map as soon as it's ready. Then can you tell them to look at the map?

EDIT: For example, the Responsible Banker (best name ever!) needs his Debt and Mint abilities.

 

[Daffa]

Okay mate, I will test it when you're done

 

[Doomguy80]

Map Updated!!!!

 

[Daffa]

The red warning make me laugh xD

 

[Orcnet]

there's something wrong with your upload, the map cannot be seen in any patch versions (version 1.20, 1.24d, 1.24e, 1.26) version 1.20 reveals the map but unplayable could you re-upload this re-save the map with latest version. For now 'NEEDS FIX' then vm me once you are done

EDIT: map updated

 

[Doomguy80]

The red warning make me laugh xD

That's what it is meant to do

 

[ZiBitheWand3r3r]

After download I cannot see your map in game so impossible to try.

 

[UndeadImmortal]

> No AI.
> An AI, in case you want to play this map in singleplayer.

Legit.

 

[Doomguy80]

After download I cannot see your map in game so impossible to try.

Does ANYONE know how to fix this or what may have caused it? The unprotected version works fine!

Legit.

Ty for pointing that out! I can't believe I missed that

 

[Daffa]

After download I cannot see your map in game so impossible to try.

What's your Warcraft version?


@Doomguy80

What Optimizer did you use?


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I don't know about this issue yet so I need to test to myself to see what's actually going on, also, for all people, make sure you use Version 1.26 so we can see what's going on.

 

[Doomguy80]

I found a thread on the hive saying that you can protect war3 maps by making a blank word document and importing it as war3map.wtg

So far it has worked, but maybe that's the problem?

 

[Daffa]

^possible issue, I forgot what War3map.wtg file does but it has something to do with triggers I think, and possibly that's the problem, use Vexorian Optimizer instead, it's more safe.

 

[Doomguy80]

k thank you

EDIT: Map updated. I used Vexorian Optimizer, so it should work now

 

[ZiBitheWand3r3r]

Sorry, but still invisible in game. I have version 1.26.0.6401. Cannot see in sigle player and on LAN too. I use for protect 5.0wc3mapoptimizer works fine w/o problems. All protections can be removed, so better use save ones.

 

[UndeadImmortal]

I'm sure it is because of the long file name, try renaming it to something short.

 

[Doomguy80]

NOW does it work!?!?

 

[Daffa]

Sorry, but still invisible in game. I have version 1.26.0.6401. Cannot see in sigle player and on LAN too. I use for protect 5.0wc3mapoptimizer works fine w/o problems. All protections can be removed, so better use save ones.

Hmm.... If I was right, it can be file name issue, I did get this happened on my old map, I was extending the map name and it suddenly gone in game, try shortening the name.

All sort of protection can be removed, yes, but only an expert can modify a unlocked map due to JASS

 

[Doomguy80]

Good to know then, because I have already updated it with a small name!

 

[Orcnet]

still doesn't work
I already switched from 1.20 up to 1.26 and still nothing

EDIT: hmm just a pop up theory, uh what optimizer are you using? is it vexorian?

 

[ZiBitheWand3r3r]

hey, smaller name is good solution, now i was able to try.

i choose all random, and get murthar psychic hero
im afraid i found few bugs:
-creeps only goes on one path (river)
-I lost control over my hero (was unselected), need to press F1 do controll it again - it happends many times,
-when press arrows, timer window appears names 'power cooldown' I had this timers on all width on screen (5 the same timers), they dont dissapear after reaching 0
-after 5-10 min play huge fps drop, so you must have leaks in game

Zibi

 

[Doomguy80]

uh what optimizer are you using? is it vexorian?

Yes it is vexorian.

creeps only goes on one path (river)

They are supposed to do that. I made the top lane turrets much weaker.

-I lost control over my hero (was unselected), need to press F1 do controll it again - it happends many times,

Interesting. That doesn't happen with me.

-when press arrows, timer window appears names 'power cooldown' I had this timers on all width on screen (5 the same timers), they dont dissapear after reaching 0

At the start there's a dialog for picking your power. When you activate the down arrow key, you activate it.

-after 5-10 min play huge fps drop, so you must have leaks in game

THAT is something I will definitely need to do. I don't notice that stuff because my computer is so powerful.

Thank you for the feedback

 

[Orcnet]

hmmm can't see it D:
will do some way to open it then

 

[Daffa]

Strange, I can see it with no real problemato
You sure you have a short file path Orcnet?

 

[Binsu]

Hey there! Played your map and I must say you are near on getting this approved but there are still little and big things to consider, bro. Let me give you my review:

[+] Good Points:
-I like the Hero Selection System. You are just gonna click tthe hero in a Full Screen Option at the screen. Sounds unique to me!
-Items are good and useful in battle and it has recipes that makes it better but you should add more items that have abilities so items can more serve its purposes in battle
-Quite decent amount of hero

[-] Bad Points:
-No offense but the terrain looks somehow bad. The way you mix tiles is very weird because you mixed manmade tiles with environment tiles and that should be avoided at all cost because it makes it more unrealistic. Also it is quite flat and empty. I suggest is use the Raise/ Lower tool to make different variations or level into the ground and fill it up with some doodads mostly basic doodads such as rocks and such.... Now to judge the terrain as an AOS, the lanes are quite narrow and because of that creeps sometimes got stuck and stopped in the way. You should make the lanes wider.
-Sometimes at some point my hero becomes crazy and uncontrollable. Wierd, right?
-Heroes are not unique, the spells are not that interesting and are Blizzard made. I suggest here is add some more uniqueness into it. Make custom spells but not only by changing spell description, models and such but triggering them.
-You made a quite wide area for the base but it is not even fully occupied because of the small amount of buildings there. I suggest is decorate it or add buildings maybe.

[] Suggestions:
-Some major terrain improvements here. Tips were exactly said above.
-Fix the weird bug about heroes getting uncontrollable and still need to press F1 just to control it again.
-Heroes are not unqiue at all, please do make it more unqiue by making somehing special on its skill and make it serve its purpose more of a tank, healer or such.
-Fill the base with more buildings or decorate it.

Overall, this still needs some work before getting approved. Rated 2/5 and voting for Pending until improvements are done!

Happy mapmaking there and good luck!

 

[Daffa]

Well, the wired control bug has been happening over and over from the first test....

 

[T. D. W.]

Hey there, sorry for the following but this is my review:
Good things:
Ver nice terrain
Nice ambient sound (but i got bored afeter a bit)
Nothing more sorry
Low size (but no much imports)

Bad things:
AI: weak but not very weak (it can stop in base no more moves, they can cast abilities)
Very bad AI: the AI applies to you which has to only apply on computer players
Computer players come to fill the empty slots ?!!!!! If you do not add computerr players, none computers should appear (not happening here)
Weak towers
Too much powerups spawning (i got 10 powerups just in the camera bounds)
Tooooooooooooooooooooo much bugs
Main bug: the JAINA hero..... Try tonplay with it and if you just do nothing, you will end up with more than 100 heroes wtf
You loose control of your hero when the AI got applied to you
Those 2 computer players that are used are ugly (remove them - you can control the 2 players while not having them as computer players
Very weak abilities - didn't find many own made abilities (most abilities are ones of warcraft)
The selection of heroes should be enhanced (hp bars appear - not sorted properly - no description)
In the beginning (the powerups you tell us to choose - i didn't notice them)
There was a devaution aura that was gave to me with no tooltip (wondering why)
Abilities don't have a good look (effects)
Buffs are not made by you (they are the ones from warcraft) which means a custom name ability doesn't match the name of the buff


I think there is more but i'll stop here, keep up the work and improve it well

2/5

 

[Doomguy80]

-Some major terrain improvements here. Tips were exactly said above.

I thought I had fixed that...

-Fix the weird bug about heroes getting uncontrollable and still need to press F1 just to control it again.

Sadly, Going through 256 (yes, I have that many) triggers is going to be tedious.

-Heroes are not unqiue at all, please do make it more unqiue by making somehing special on its skill and make it serve its purpose more of a tank, healer or such.

A lot of the older heroes are like that. I had made a game called War Party a long time ago, and liked how I got the heroes done. In that way, I moved them to CoL, but I had given them mostly Blizzard spells. Although it is like that, I have 28 heroes that have 1 or no Blizzard spells. Be rest assured that whatever victory code you get, it will feature a pretty awesome hero!

-Fill the base with more buildings or decorate it.

Will do

 

[Binsu]

Good, you do suggestions as exactly as suggested. You got a good attitude bro =)

Good luck again and happy mapmaking!

 

[Orcnet]

visitor message me once you have finish a new update

 

[Doomguy80]

Updated it with HUGE improvements to the AI.