Approved
Man... how many campaigns or better written sequels are you going to do?
Anyway, is it finished? If there are no more chapters to be added, I'll probably play it sometime soon.
I've been working hard on this campaign, and I'm glad you enjoyed it!
(Not a big deal) his words: I laik' cat' thoz' maggots is laughable. Did it was a reference to Rowan the Wise, where Uther gets mad? In this map, we can receive tracks to the artifact... Here the lines are cheap and silly (dialogue lines). PLOT HOLE 1. Why Bloody cared with the seemingly unknown woman? He killed hundreds of druids and dwarves for example. This is unreal and a cheap action movie, where the writers want to show, that the cared one is important. It blatantly used too much in Arrow or other "action" movies.
Hi, dear member(s)! I played this campaign Undead and with the Human too. Interesting facts marked with purple, while theories with orange.
Well, I can tell, that the gameplay is awesome. 5/5 for gameplay.
4/5 for plot, somewhere it was funny, you seemed to use cheap-action and comedy movie tropes, but overall it was a correct high-fantasy.
Here is the long plot and gameplay combined review:
Prologue: Bloody is a smug to Uther. Here we can see, the introduction of Bloody. Kel'Thuzad tell Tichondrius and MG that the Lich King has a change of plans.
- 1st map:
Here we can see, the map of Alterac with the last remnants of Blackrock Clan. I had some fun time with this map. I just defeat the red base with my forces. Nothing extra it seems: I saw both original campaign and Sagi's Undead that the majority of the remaining eastern orcs had a massive force with a demon gate, they can also tame dragons). Why they not went away with Thrall? For religious reasons? They are massive zealots, if they chose to remain. They might left the land (they needed, but they remained), because in the burned East they signed their dead treaty. Jubei'Thos is a wrong and cheap leader. Here Kel'Thuzad just request an audience with the big demon daddy, Archimonde. He get some order to the lich, which he will carry on.
2nd map:
The first arc it seems the Dalaran Siege chapter. As far as I can remember, this was the map with Mal'Ganis. Here I converted with 100 peasant with relative ease. Mal'Ganis have some useful ability: Nether Walk and Doom for example. The Doom Guard will keep the Scarlet at bay, while I convert the folk. At the north, I found an useful track (no spoiler).
Mal'Ganis's speech at the map end are quite dizzy. Nothing discovered about his motivations, he just wanted to left the Scourge with no reason. In Human Campaign we can saw, that he is a skilled leader with success behind him. Why he want to left (Answer needed to why not presented these reasons in the dialogues)? :O
3RD Map:
Here the gameplay was awesome, the terrain are substandard. It was the original map's error maybe... but Dalaran look like ugly.
I builded a lot of towers here, the Spirit Towers with many-many patrolling units are great combination. The mages's forces are not able to defeat me. However it is surely needed to set in 30 minutes? :O Conjurus Rex or someone... is a great survivor. You can change their names to some unique instead of random. I saw Rex's name in three different maps.
Here the Archimonde arrived and ordered things... nothing great happened. Why a mage stay in an island? Did he went to isolation?
4TH MAP:
This is a common hack and slash map too... Bloody has some cool abilities. Like Demonic Stabs(?) or his aura (at level 3) makes him a powerful unit. Uther's mount ability is welcomed. The dwarves are hard enemies even at easy difficulty.
We can see the Green Dragons to appear. Good twist... I can not expect them to arrive. It seems one typical fantasy cliché (Random ignorance) is pushed away, because if the dragons would not arrive, that makes them unfit to their reputation. Will Alexstraza or someone will attack the Scourge in the North? The ending with the dwarf is quite cheap-action-mafia style, but ok... Bloody seems like a low-cunning smug with many-many ego. He just smack Uther with words. Uther also a comic-relief here...
5th MAP:
In the shores, we can receive more dwarf and dragon kill. In here we can meet the Dragon Garden Keeper, Nishera. He and Muradin are interesting. I completed this map easily. If you reach Nishera's base, you have to clear it to win.
6th map: Here the gameplay was two-sided. With Bloody in Froustmourne search and base protecting. The fight with Muradin are MK-esque or I don't know... however the recount was an unique idea. His lines are good (I also saw them revealed in an Abelhawk's video). Bloody receives cool abilities with his reform: Killing death nova, frost nova and passive blood nova... which hurts enemies, when he was attacked by someone. Nishera was a decent enemy.
7th map (Interlude)
Supposed to beautiful. One dialog are make this silly a bit and cheap-action movie like... "Out of my way" (Nobody in his way). If you may make an update, please change it: Leave me alone, now!
Terenas's speech are muted for a slight moment and made a weird background noise. :O Possibly PC error or not...
8th map:
Storm in Arathi
This was quite hard map. I barely able to defeat the ogres and the bandits. They are way too strong. :O The human scene is fair.
The begin theme song is awesome, one of the great moments in this map.
9th map:
Fallen Lord
The best map of the whole campaign. I played this hard to see the bonus chapter. Bloody and few his of undead men are able to kill the Scarlet Crusade. Even it is blizzlike to ally against the player, the Scarlet and Mal'Ganis should fight with eachother, or I missed something? (I do not think this) In the end, the woman do not look like old, just a lady who had a water sign in her head.
Bonus:
It was supposed to funny. But look like substandard. Sargeras was cool and his cast look like, that he was dancing. Broxigar's sound... I do not know exactly.
Overall:
Music 5/5 (Fitting and fair themes everywhere)
Plot 4/5 (Fair, with some comic-relief and some b-rated action movie cliché)
Gameplay 5/5 (suprising)
Misc 2,5/5 (Some triggers are wrong, terrain somewhere is substandard)
FINAL: 4/5
I can't remember if I mentioned this in my tester notes, but Storm in Arathi is really hard, and I'm playing on easy. Those spawns are insane! I would suggest spreading them out more, make them less powerful, or not put so many units in at a spawn. At this point I'm having to cheat just to get to the Syndicate Castle to stop their attacks.
EDIT: Or at least give me a strategy to beat it
EDIT 2: I think I figured out what happened. The Syndicate forces don't go to the ogre's base as they should, but instead they bunch up in the castle, therefore having dozens of guys to try and kill.
Also, start of Chapter 8, I noticed that Kel'Thuzad's ability buttons are switched up. Death and Decay is in the first slot, when it should be in the 4th slot
?? They don't seem to know nothing about the base that by the way it's not moving. Maybe they have movement sensors
I forgot this.
Do not take this serious, please. This is an action movie trope, where the villain (now subverted to Bloody) wants to show himself as ultra tough to his men and playing with the victim.
I liked the first campaign more. It had better gameplay, more varied. This one had some few levels with interesting ideas but mostly their concept was similar.
chap1:
-camera did not reset (at least fully; I suggest using reset camera over 0 seconds) after the intro cinematic scene
-Rain of Chaos replenishes faster than the life span of the Infernal ends; also Inferno costs 150 mana (from what I remember) and it only spawns one unit
-not all of the orcs (for instance the blue) attack
-you could change the Demolisher to Catapult (at least the model)
-"orcs are weak". Of course they are, they are so few now that there were two human-orc wars to dwindle their numbers
-well, this level is basically the same thing as in RoC; at least The Culling of Stratholme had major differences
chap2:
-Scarlet Archers don't have a portrait
-shouldn't city buildings contain villagers/units?
-you could make Mal'Ganis an agility hero or something to differentiate him further from other drealords
-I guess other villagers should be frightened by their kin becoming zombies and run or try to defend themselves? They don't even care if Mal'Ganis or a Doom Guard gets near them; they could at least run into their houses; I understand the villages are supposed to be taken by surprise but there has to be terror; Villagers don't even move (no wander ability)
-it's a good thing War Stomp doesn't hurt villagers
-suggestion: change/edit the colour of the three spells that look exactly the same (Sleep, Soul Preservation and Dark Conversion)
-but wait, shouldn't these people first have to eat/get the plague for them to be transformed? Or did they?
-might as well not make that animation with the zombies getting up as they first have to get down; looks like they're doing a pushup
-"don't let too many villagers die" doesn't really cut it since they're not considered enemy and aren't affected by player spells
-Soul Preservation's range is over 1000 I think
-Mal'Ganis levels up but no more spells to choose
-rarely do zombies escape the control of the dreadlord
-do those Scarlet Crusade buildings contain anything?
-I doubt zombies are spoken to
chap3:
-Skeletal Mastery's icon looks exactly like the for Skeletal Sorcerer or the other way around
-another copy of a level...
chap4:
-didn't they know the Lich King was in Northrend?
-Animate Dead and Summon Minions have the same icon; Death Grip's icon is the same with Doom; Frozen Aura's icon=Frozen Breath
-hey, I've seen the Death Knight unit quite the same in another custom campaign from a different user called The Curse of the Forsaken
-don't get the difference of Uther's mount ability; the only thing I see that changes is the movement speed
-what the heck is a Dog doing here?
-couldn't they just raise the dead before the undead enemy were annihilated
-well, two heroes on strength
-hmm... it seems some bandits got here past all the horrors somehow
-Death Knight has the same soundset as Mal'Ganis, Skeletal Sorcerer as the Shade
-it's interesting that Uther kept his hammer
-he didn't even give the dwarf time to actually feel he was being let go
-green dragons? Why?
-how do the dragons know where are my troops every time
-Murlocs in Northrend? Hmm...
-the dragons aren't fighting the dwarves
-no Avatar? I mean Life Drain on a Mountain King is win
-is it really necessary to destroy every farm and buildings that don't produce any unit?
chap5:
-had to put Uther's spells again...
-what's the use of Summon Charger if he can mount without the need of a horse nearby?
-the yellow base can be destroyed before building a base
-the player can build a base first in the north where the mine with undead is
-the nelven base can also be destroyed without its AI starting if the blue base is left alone
-Nishera doesn't have a hero glow
-Demonic Stabs gets the hero out of Entangling Roots
-what's this with unmounting Uther before the level ends?
chap6:
-another almost copy of a RoC level; really... this isn't original; the previous campaign did way better on map design
-Uther suddenly disappeared...
-units can get to Bloody; don't know if intended or not
-"how did they get through the Way Gate?" Well, smart aleck, they were the ones protecting it in the first place...
-is Demonic Stabs supposed to work on aerial units?
-could switch places of the Skeletar Sorceror Adept Training with Skeletal Mastery
-...how did Muradin get to Frostmourne when Bloody and co. got through his base and went on!?
-traitor!? Wha..
-Hellspawn is basically Doom...
-Mask of Death+Frostmourne; don't know if they stack or not
-shouldn't the elven base start to attack after Bloody gets back with the sword?
-whaaa... Uther wasn't killed!? I don't understand anything anymore
chap7:
-so, I guess either Archimonde decided to let Mal'Ganis work alone or something; anyways, if Mal'Ganis thinks he can do something agains the legion, he is totally insane
-there's another Demonic Rune... on the road to the east (starting point I guess); it can't be put down...
-Advanced Unholy Armour looks like Corrupted Shield
-Flesh Golem's soundset is that of the Abomination
-well, the Abomination has Cannibalize but Flesh Golem has Disease Cloud; I mean, it kind of makes the Abomination useless
-Corrupted Shield is named Burning Shield in the inventory; what kind of shield is this that doesn't even give any points to armour?
-the Undying can raise the Greater Zombie from a dead Greater Zombie
-so, how did the Ogres succeed to build their base inside the walls of the human fortress?
-Flesh Golems get through the bridge
-this map is too big to only have one optional quest that's pretty much something needed: taking a secondary gold mine...
-again... destroy all Farms...
chap8:
-why was Mask of Death taken out of the inventory so that Frostmourne would take its slot?
-Kel'thuzad's spells switched places; Death and Decay was the first spell...
-now, two Frost Nova spells...
-Bloody's range changed to melee from 200 after taking the sword
-woah there. Even demons are on Mal'Ganis' side? Anyways, it's really not the best time for a revolt since Archimonde is still alive
-please, music through its channel, not the one that plays all other sounds
-hints are written with light blue colour but in the first levels they were with the usual green
-for some reason Zombies can't be Cannibalized
-Hellspawn can be cast before the demon's time is up
-hmm... the optional quest is barely optional; I mean Scarlet Crusade troops are all over the place even in the way; also, no reward
-Bloody almost doesn't get a scratch because of that life steal fighting Mal'Ganis
-well, Mal'Ganis didn't even try to use the woman to his advantage; how did he know of Bloody's mom, no idea; why was she still alive? No idea
-just got me to the main menu after finishing this level
3/5. Next time, less to none copycat levels.
You might want to fix the bugs though.
Yes... make their gameplay different or varied. It's not a good idea to leave them exactly or very close to what they were. It's unoriginal and doesn't make the creator look too good (what did the creator work here? Where's the originality? So on.). The Culling of Stratholme is better in this regard, as written before.
Strange!
This campaign is not about Arthas. Let's say it only indirectly links him to it. But, if you liked the other one, you should definitely play this one.
please
Ok I've gone ahead and downloaded this campaign.... still would have felt better with Jaine in it...
Maybe she can show up when Illidan arrives... will he arrive
Wow... I see this new map is much bigger than the old one... by quite a lot too
try it, I'm sure you will love it.
I'm watching the bonus cunimsx right nowI guess the bugs will be fixed though the testers and most players didnt report much but Ill chrck it out of course
Aw well, this campaign is also great and Actully jaina appers in the bouns chapter but not playable. Also I made a skin for King Arthas. The campaign is great and basiclly used to reflect the Undead side, with some small views about the Alliance.
I noticed it has no cover art, but it still played for me
Mooore!!!
Waiting for Orcs campaign! I finished human and undead campaign in 3 days lol
Well most of it had been fixed in the Humans campaign. I guess there is more in the Undead Campaign:/In the Human campaign the spelling is wrong. is always not allways and is alter not alater
