Alliance Cavalry

[Moderator]

10:03, 17th Dec 2008
Cavman:
Ok, I like how this is set up, with two people and the difernt bones and animations. Good work there, but there are way to many pollies. You need to drasticaly reduce those.

4th Jan 2009
Pyritie: Changes made, resource approved.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Lulz, 2,6k polies.

Besides, isn't that just the usual campaign models.

 

[wingednosering]

The models are based on the campaign models, yes. But I actually reassembled the models piece by piece, editing things here and there, changed the skins, created custom bones, custom particles and animations...so on and so forth.

 

[Dionesiist]

You could've reduced the polies as well, seeing how there's 3 characters in one model.

 

[wingednosering]

I did make reductions here and there to the poly count, but let's be reasonable. This is a hero. It is obviously not a unit that you should have hundreds of on your map. It's filesize is quite reasonable and I can tell you that no lag is experienced with a fair amount of them on the map at once.

 

[Devine]

horse 400 polies + footy 600 polies + NE 650 plies = not 2.6K poly

 

[terradont]

Well... The idea is new.

 

[Kael Theron]

lol two on one horse. It looks good but i don't think it might very useful

 

[Ghost765]

HOLY SHIT ITS WINGEDNOSERING. I <3 YOU AND YOUR MODELS.
ok, its a good concept, athlought i think the horse would collapse from the weight. maybe just a footman on horseback?

 

[Mechanical Man]

ohhhh...so romantic <3

 

[SILLYbear]

The model by itself is nice; but in Warcraft III, the unit doesn't look like something the Alliance or Night Elves would dispense... and it looks 'queer' (tho its boy-girl).

 

[TaKky]

someone could make a campaign based off a romance novel, this would be so useful

"and so the princess and her unlikely human lover road away on a scrawny pony into the sunset, knowing full well the days ahead would be challeging. But together, they could overcome anything."

T_T this is epicly beautiful

sorry, what are we talking about again?

 

[Lord_T]

Ridiculous polycount, they're practically unmodified campaignscreen models. You're better off putting a normal footman and a normal archer mapped to these textures on that horse....
Secondly, casting and slashing in both animations = nono. Make an attack, without casting, and a spell without attacking. Make what the current attack is something like attack slam. Something so epic as an attack anim gets annoying FAST.

 

[wingednosering]

Currently updating the model to reduce the polycount. What should I aim for?

The plans so far:
1. I'm going to remove the fingers, and replace them with standard, triangular Warcraft hands.
2. Removing the feathers along the Night Elf's arm will reduce the polycount by at least 100, maybe more.
3. Changing the Footman's weapon to slightly lessen the polys and make it look more like a realistic slashing weapon
4. Taking off half of the Footman's shoulder pads.
5. Replacing the Night Elf's ears with flat planes, like the other in-game models.


I think that's all I can change without completely redoing the model. :S

Can anybody think of anything to add to this?

Edit: I have updated the model. I've lowered the poly count by almost 600.

 

[jarri]

nice idea but the model looks ridiculous in-game sorry.

 

[Discipline]

Where did he get that cool night-elf backpack?

 

[Misha]

they CAN'T both have the same and synchonised moves in the anims. fix that

EDIT: remove the cape and move the girl closer to footy <3

~Misha~

 

[MUHAHA_MASTER]

the analriders xD

 

[Misha]

the analriders xD

WTF? oO;;

 

[VeljkoM]

This is becoming....disturbing.
Anyway I like this model.

 

[Mechanical Man]

Yes, the elf needs to be closer. If you see couples riding, you will see that the riders are very close together, not because they are in love, but because of limited ridable horse back space .

 

[Cavman]

Still to many pollies. The average hero model, even a mounted one, has around 1,000 polies. this thing has double that.

 

[Ghost765]

well thats cause theres another unit riding the horse. anyways, i still think you should make a knight based on the Wc3 Campaign Screen footmans armor, and make the horse have matching armor.

 

[Radagast]

you chould take the "tail" on the Footmans head and make it more square...

 

[neogaidenx]

Sweet Model!! hey can you make a footmen model like this one.. this pikeman looks awesome

 

[wingednosering]

Cavman: How low do you want me to make it? I'm pretty sure it'd be impossible for me to reach 1000 with two units and a horse, without completely redoing it. There are some models on this site that have over 1500 polies for a single warrior. I'm willing to try to lower it some more, but could you give me some guidelines or help me find some polies that can be easily removed?

NeoGaiden: I have had two footmen that look like this one on the site for some time . Search for pikeman or longbowman or simply search for models made by me.

 

[Cavman]

Under 2000, probably close to 1,500 would be acceptable. To close or over 2000 would probably have gotten igrnored right away by any other mod.

 

[cHeRoL]

The horse must be a bit more bigger.

 

[Lord_T]

It's alot easier on the eyes with the desynchs and particle reductions.

To kill more polies, i think you could get rid of their legs.... like just weld them to hell, they don't need that much detail.

 

[Cham[p]ion]

Original and useful. Make a version with just the footman. =D

 

[Mechanical Man]

There is already a footman on horse I think.

 

[knight26]

First of all this is an UNIQUE model for now as far as i know and a very good one indeed you deserve a 5/5 and rep.. what am i saying? man this deserves director's cut

 

[Dark Destiny]

Nice model.. But looks kinda wierd ingame, anyways nice addition for you units. 4/5

 

[CeDiL]

Wanna know honestly what i don't like most?
Here ya go:
2 Awersome Models, made awersome, looking awersome, smelling and tasting awersome, are mounten on a crappy horse, i'm not sure it can even carry them both, so if you make a hight quality skin or replace the horse it will be fully AWERSOME!

 

[wingednosering]

CeDiL: Lol, I know what you mean about the low-res horse being annoying, but to get a better looking horse, I'd need to make a custom skin. That would increase file size and look crummy, because I suck at texture editing .


Model has now been updated and the polies have been significantly reduced again. The total number of polies removed is almost 900 now! I'm hoping that it's low enough now?

 

[D a w n]

give the nightelf some female hair please :/

 

[Misha]

told ya to get rid of the cape on the night elf D=

 

[Fasian_guy]

is the nightelf trying to humpp the footman??????

 

[terradont]

is the nightelf trying to humpp the footman??????

Obviously you've never seen 2 persons on 1 horse.

 

[PROXY]

the mount texture and the human and nightelf modles are too different, otherwise a good model

 

[Misha]

yea...

EDIT: what bugs me is that a lot of the animations seem still syhchonised

Attack: nightelf should kinda do some circles or hang on to footy
Stand (dunno which one) footie's and nightelf's arms are moving in unison. (the arm that holds the weapon and the same arm on her)
death: it is lol but maybe they should fall fon two diferent sides ^.^
Dissipate: why do they don't rise?
a lot more but i can't remember right now ^^;;

and get...rid...of...the... cape xD

~Misha~

 

[Kazuga]

Good model but some animations could be changed/added...

The girl shouldn't try to attack when she doesn't hold any weapon...
Add at least one more attack animation, looks horrible in game when the unit strikes the same way over and over again.
Add one or two spell animations, let the girl cast the spell animation.

Without these animations I would say that the model is completely useless, but that's just my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great model but it lacks that little extra that makes it good.

 

[HFR]

There are an big poly count but it's 1500 por 3 units! Not 1, not 2, but 3! And it's an very original model, I never saw 2 people in 1 horse in Warcraft.

 

[Cavman]

1,500 polies or below.

 

[Joss]

wow. Do you people even listen to yourselves? "Too many pollies!", "Reduce the damn poly count!", "Dude, the poly count is way too high." I may not know a whole lot about poly counts, but I do know that 2000 pollies for 3 units is VERY fukin reasonable. Can't you just live with it? This was obviously designed as a Hero model, so you shouldn't have too many in your map anyway, right? Besides, to quote winged nosering, there's a good amount of singel-unit models on THW with over 1500 pollies. Just deal with it. Jeez.

 

[Cavman]

wow. Do you people even listen to yourselves? "Too many pollies!", "Reduce the damn poly count!", "Dude, the poly count is way too high." I may not know a whole lot about poly counts, but I do know that 2000 pollies for 3 units is VERY fukin reasonable. Can't you just live with it? This was obviously designed as a Hero model, so you shouldn't have too many in your map anyway, right? Besides, to quote winged nosering, there's a good amount of singel-unit models on THW with over 1500 pollies. Just deal with it. Jeez.

Whos' the mod here with the power to approve the model?

If I hadn't caught this thing before the other mods got here, It would ahve been ignored. And this thing isn't three units, it's one. Yes, this should be a hero, but people are fucking retarded and will try and spam this thing in their maps.

 

[Mechanical Man]

Retarded people make crappy maps so we don't care what they throw in.

 

[wingednosering]

Thank you all for the feedback, it's been very helpful (for the most part). I'm currently working on yet another update, but I don't think I'll be able to reach the goal of 1500 polies. Anybody who wishes to download this should do so as soon as possible before it gets deleted .

Cavman: I'm doing one more update, but as stated above, I don't think I'll be able to reduce the polies to the amount you requested. I'm sorry this model has been such a pain for you to keep reviewing, but I'd like to defend it a little bit . There are many models on this site that are over 1500 polies. Search 'Battle Priest' and you'll see a good example. The model I'm talking about is 1470 polies for a single dwarf.
I've been looking for a while now, to see what else I can strip off of this model and I've found almost nothing. I feel that if I remove anything else, the quality of the model would suffer. Are you sure you won't allow 1700?

 

[Cavman]

If you get it just under 1,700 (1,699 or below) I'll approve it.