Administration Effectiveness

[Ghan_04]

The purpose of this poll is to get a general public opinion on how effective the administration is. In this poll, please indicate your vote on how well you think the administrators of the site do their jobs and if you think they do the best they can for the site. To simplify: How good is the administration?

Also, please do not feel intimidated by this poll. Your responses will not be taken to mean that you do not like the admins themselves. This is only to get an idea of how well they carry out administrative duties.

Additionally, if you voted that the administration is ineffective, I would be grateful if you would post indicating any specific problems you see with the administration in order to provide some ideas of how to improve the situation. If you would rather have your post remain private, you may post in Admin Contact with your concerns.

 

[PurplePoot]

Somewhat Ineffective, because I'd like to see some more consistency in some of the decisions and policies.

 

[Andriejj]

Somewhat Ineffective, because I'd like to see some more consistency in some of the decisions and policies.

Yeah, that's the key word.

 

[Ghan_04]

Hmm....
Do you have an example of an inconsistency?
Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean, so I was hoping you could give me an example.

 

[Mr. Bob]

Somewhat ineffective. I am glad to see that you have done a great job with correcting some of the more 'mean' moderaters.

Here is a list of what I think would help:

1. Make a stable voting based election system. Mainly for moderaters and global moderaters. But for Admin election, only make this once a year. The particapants should send a request to the admins about a moderater position. But, he/she must meet the standard requirements for that area of skill. And then the chosen few will make ads and obtain votes for his/her election. And above all these people is, of course, Ralle.

2. Appoint several people willing to maintain stability within the forums not by posting or banning, but by talking to an Admin.

3. Make a court based judgment system. If someone made a bad choice, appoint several jury type of users to take a vote on what to be done.

4. You can NOT make peace with power. All that will do is cause the users to become even more distilled, and hopeless about the power abusive moderater. Take them to the 'court' system explained above.

5. Give the moderaters a set of rules to follow, and if they break one, send them to the 'court' system above.

6. Listen to the users suggestions as if they were a fellow Admin. This is vital for a lasting trust between users, and Admins. Which, will make them more willing to follow basic rules.

7. Divide the Hive into teams, maybe 2 teams. This will develope trust between team members.

8. When a person has a rep level, below -10, appoint someone to watch everything they do. (For +rep of course.)

9. Do not simply ban a person for one incident. Send them to a jail mode (spectater mode) for a period of time. Before you do this, give them over to the court system explained above.

10. Create an official pole section, that can only be used/created by Admins. Here, you will appoint Admins, moderaters, and such.

These are just a few. Thank you for reading!

 

[Shados]

So very many thing wrong with your suggestions:

1. Make a stable voting based election system. Mainly for moderaters and global moderaters. But for Admin election, only make this once a year. The particapants should send a request to the admins about a moderater position. But, he/she must meet the standard requirements for that area of skill. And then the chosen few will make ads and obtain votes for his/her election. And above all these people is, of course, Ralle.

The Hive, like 99.9% of sites, is not a democracy, it is a dictatorship, with Ralle as the dictator. The site is his legal property and his word is literally law on it, and this works because if you don't like the Hive, you either try to change it by talking to Ralle or his chosen representatives, or you leave to another site / make your own site. Given the freedom of choice allowed by the internet, dictatorships tend to work better than democracies, on the internet, as you have a relatively stable system of governance, consisting of people who the owner of the site (In this case, Ralle) believes are able representatives of him.

2. Appoint several people willing to maintain stability within the forums not by posting or banning, but by talking to an Admin.

You haven't really elaborated on this idea at all, but based on what you have said...
1. Admin Contact.
2. You can easily contact admins via their listed IM addresses or via PMs, emails or some other such method. Why would specifically appointed people be necessary or helpful? As far as I can see, only allowing them to act as messengers between the members and the administration would only slow and worsen communication.

3. Make a court based judgment system. If someone made a bad choice, appoint several jury type of users to take a vote on what to be done.

No. Once again, I repeat: The hive is a dictatorship. 'Law', as such, is managed by Ralle's chosen representatives, and if a person believes they have been unfairly judged, all they have to do is 'appeal' to Ralle, and he will make a final judgement on it. This system is efficient and for the most part reliable. Requiring the input of multiple people before making any decisions merely bogs down the system in needless beauracracy, and most members (unfortunately) do not really know the rules well enough to judge, so it would just end up being staff members judging anyway.

Our current moderator invitation/application system is quite thorough, and was originally designed by the extremely helpful Wolverabid.

4. You can NOT make peace with power. All that will do is cause the users to become even more distilled, and hopeless about the power abusive moderater. Take them to the 'court' system explained above.

...What? The phrasing of this is almost incomprehensible, and I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Also see flaws with your 'court' system, above.

5. Give the moderaters a set of rules to follow, and if they break one, send them to the 'court' system above.

Moderators have rules to follow; you just don't know of them all. Perhaps they should be transparent, perhaps not, but that's not the argument you're making in any case. Also see flaws with your 'court' system, above.

6. Listen to the users suggestions as if they were a fellow Admin. This is vital for a lasting trust between users, and Admins. Which, will make them more willing to follow basic rules.

The administration does listen to users' suggestions; however, users often make suggestions in an unreasonable manner, do not flesh their ideas out enough, do not explore the consequences of their ideas, or present otherwise flawed ideas. Were a moderator to do the same, their ideas would be equally ignored.

7. Divide the Hive into teams, maybe 2 teams. This will develope trust between team members.

Not really sure what you're on about, but I'll assume you're talking about a 'house' type idea, as some schools have. If you are, this just seems plain unecessary. Also, how exactly would it 'develop trust between team members'? Further, that almost implies that people outside one's team would be untrusted.

8. When a person has a rep level, below -10, appoint someone to watch everything they do. (For +rep of course.)

Why? People with negative rep are easily recognized in any case, and moderators already pay special attention to repeat offenders.

9. Do not simply ban a person for one incident. Send them to a jail mode (spectater mode) for a period of time. Before you do this, give them over to the court system explained above.

What is a 'jail mode', exactly? Also see flaws with your 'court' system, above. Furthermore, moderators will not usually ban someone for their first one or two (minor) rule-breakages, but rather warn them instead. Forum bans are also dealt only vary rarely, with -rep and smaller infractions being the preferred method of punishment.

10. Create an official pole section, that can only be used/created by Admins. Here, you will appoint Admins, moderaters, and such.

See flaws with your 'election' system, above.

 

[Rui]

Between Neutral and Somewhat Ineffective.

I do not like to see the Hive as a dictatorship, having a court would be somewhat interesting, yet it is something that will never happen. Maybe with Wolverabid here, but without him, it's impossible.
It wouldn't work anyway, people who disobey the rules cannot be brought to court like we're not in a virtual world. Their low intelligence is another factor.
And if you're saying we should put the court to work without the user able to defend himself, then that's not a court.

What fails is not exactly the administration, it is administration capable of helping Ralle in the scripting/administrating, and that's my definition of administrator, otherwise, they're as good as global moderators, the only difference is that administrators can say they are on a higher ground.

 

[Mr. Bob]

The Hive, like 99.9% of sites, is not a democracy, it is a dictatorship, with Ralle as the dictator. The site is his legal property and his word is literally law on it, and this works because if you don't like the Hive, you either try to change it by talking to Ralle or his chosen representatives, or you leave to another site / make your own site. Given the freedom of choice allowed by the internet, dictatorships tend to work better than democracies, on the internet, as you have a relatively stable system of governance, consisting of people who the owner of the site (In this case, Ralle) believes are able representatives of him.

This is just a suggestion that relieves Ralle of so much to do. Besides having to watch and see who would be the best Admin, he can simply set up a stable community effort.

You haven't really elaborated on this idea at all, but based on what you have said...
1. Admin Contact.
2. You can easily contact admins via their listed IM addresses or via PMs, emails or some other such method. Why would specifically appointed people be necessary or helpful? As far as I can see, only allowing them to act as messengers between the members and the administration would only slow and worsen communication.

Again, this would relieve you of so much to do. Allowing you more time with more important things.

No. Once again, I repeat: The hive is a dictatorship. 'Law', as such, is managed by Ralle's chosen representatives, and if a person believes they have been unfairly judged, all they have to do is 'appeal' to Ralle, and he will make a final judgement on it. This system is efficient and for the most part reliable. Requiring the input of multiple people before making any decisions merely bogs down the system in needless beauracracy, and most members (unfortunately) do not really know the rules well enough to judge, so it would just end up being staff members judging anyway.

Good point, although, this system would be run by the staff, yet besides having people not liking the decisions, they can simply leave it to them. You would appoint the best users for the job, of course.

I can tell, that Ralle likes to have more members, and this would help develop the reputation of the Hive.

Our current moderator invitation/application system is quite thorough, and was originally designed by the extremely helpful Wolverabid.

The idea given would produce a more fruitful Hive. EXAMPLE: People like certan peoples' models, whenever the majority of the people like a certan modeler, they would feel more comfortable being able to vote for there next moderater. It also helps eliminate the possibility of one Admin liking a modeler, yet the majority of the public doesn't. Further increasing the Hives popularity, and quality. If they do not like the next model mod, they will not upload models. Making the Hive not as good.

...What? The phrasing of this is almost incomprehensible, and I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Also see flaws with your 'court' system, above.

I am saying don't try to force the Hive users by banning other users in front of there faces. Otherwise, in the long run, more people will do ban worthy acts. Sometimes, I can go in chat, and people will say things like, "All of the moderaters have gotten drunk with banning!" or sayings to the same effect. This causes 'mutiny' within the Hive, which will ultamately cause Ralle more trouble.

Moderators have rules to follow; you just don't know of them all. Perhaps they should be transparent, perhaps not, but that's not the argument you're making in any case. Also see flaws with your 'court' system, above.

Good, it seems Ralle is doing very well with this.

The administration does listen to users' suggestions; however, users often make suggestions in an unreasonable manner, do not flesh their ideas out enough, do not explore the consequences of their ideas, or present otherwise flawed ideas. Were a moderator to do the same, their ideas would be equally ignored.

Again, good. You are apperently doing great with this too.

Not really sure what you're on about, but I'll assume you're talking about a 'house' type idea, as some schools have. If you are, this just seems plain unecessary. Also, how exactly would it 'develop trust between team members'? Further, that almost implies that people outside one's team would be untrusted.

I meant more of split groups that participate in different events. Such as challenges, and each group would consist of users. You would have group points, from whenever the group beats another group at a particular event. It would develop trust because of the group effort. And it would not taint the trust between the other group and them, because of the size of the groups. The bigger the crowd, the less personal it gets.

Why? People with negative rep are easily recognized in any case, and moderators already pay special attention to repeat offenders.

Good, again, another good job by you guys.

What is a 'jail mode', exactly? Also see flaws with your 'court' system, above. Furthermore, moderators will not usually ban someone for their first one or two (minor) rule-breakages, but rather warn them instead. Forum bans are also dealt only vary rarely, with -rep and smaller infractions being the preferred method of punishment.

Good, glad to see that this punishment issue is well taken care of.

And, the 'jail mode' would be made to have the users not completely expelled from the Hive, but rather, for them to be able to witness large events and small events, without being able to participate, (except to the Admins). Furthermore, they could watch chat, but not comment. This would likely cause them to be more careful to obey rules. And if they continue to be bad. Simply ban them, and the other users would not feel bad.

 

[emperor_d3st]

I think it would be nice to clear what's an Administrator's job on Hive.

By the way, this is a website. The most serious crime a user can commit here is flaming, posting inappropriate stuff, spamming, things like that and the most serious punishment one can get is a ban.. It's not like the moderators and admins are going to make one's whole life miserable and it's not like they can be wrong about banning someone for spamming dozens of threads. There is no need of a "court" or jury or anything like that. If you spam you should get pawned.

 

[PurplePoot]

1. Make a stable voting based election system. Mainly for moderaters and global moderaters. But for Admin election, only make this once a year. The particapants should send a request to the admins about a moderater position. But, he/she must meet the standard requirements for that area of skill. And then the chosen few will make ads and obtain votes for his/her election. And above all these people is, of course, Ralle.

Moderation should really not be a popularity contest.

2. Appoint several people willing to maintain stability within the forums not by posting or banning, but by talking to an Admin.

Report Post?

3. Make a court based judgment system. If someone made a bad choice, appoint several jury type of users to take a vote on what to be done.

In the majority of cases the rules are rather clear about what is to be done anyways.

4. You can NOT make peace with power. All that will do is cause the users to become even more distilled, and hopeless about the power abusive moderater. Take them to the 'court' system explained above.

If you have problems with moderators, you can report it in Admin Contact already.

Again, moderation should not be a popularity contest, and some moderators will legitimately piss off a good deal of people (Ex, if they enforce the rules well and a ton of those people break them and suffer for it).

5. Give the moderaters a set of rules to follow, and if they break one, send them to the 'court' system above.

There are rules, guidelines, etc, for moderators.

6. Listen to the users suggestions as if they were a fellow Admin. This is vital for a lasting trust between users, and Admins. Which, will make them more willing to follow basic rules.

If this isn't already happening, then fair enough.

7. Divide the Hive into teams, maybe 2 teams. This will develope trust between team members.

I've got a feeling it would just make moderators more protective of each others' positions, which is the last thing we need.

8. When a person has a rep level, below -10, appoint someone to watch everything they do. (For +rep of course.)

People really have better things to do, and if the person continues to be an idiot, it isn't hard to find out.

9. Do not simply ban a person for one incident. Send them to a jail mode (spectater mode) for a period of time. Before you do this, give them over to the court system explained above.

It's pretty hard to get banned from doing one thing, so if you do, you almost definitely deserve it.

10. Create an official pole section, that can only be used/created by Admins. Here, you will appoint Admins, moderaters, and such.

Welcome to the THW poll forum?

While others can post here, it's not like it isn't moderated.

What fails is not exactly the administration, it is administration capable of helping Ralle in the scripting/administrating, and that's my definition of administrator, otherwise, they're as good as global moderators, the only difference is that administrators can say they are on a higher ground.

Samuraid helps with the scripts, etc (the server), and Archian (when active) helps with the staff, etc.

This is just a suggestion that relieves Ralle of so much to do. Besides having to watch and see who would be the best Admin, he can simply set up a stable community effort.

Somehow I'm skeptical that a popularity contest would elect the best people for the job... ever had a student council at your school?

Again, this would relieve you of so much to do. Allowing you more time with more important things.

It wouldn't make any difference... people do that with Report Post and Admin Contact already.

The idea given would produce a more fruitful Hive. EXAMPLE: People like certan peoples' models, whenever the majority of the people like a certan modeler, they would feel more comfortable being able to vote for there next moderater. It also helps eliminate the possibility of one Admin liking a modeler, yet the majority of the public doesn't. Further increasing the Hives popularity, and quality. If they do not like the next model mod, they will not upload models. Making the Hive not as good.

Oh... god, no. Just because someone makes good models doesn't mean they're at all intelligent.

I am saying don't try to force the Hive users by banning other users in front of there faces. Otherwise, in the long run, more people will do ban worthy acts. Sometimes, I can go in chat, and people will say things like, "All of the moderaters have gotten drunk with banning!" or sayings to the same effect. This causes 'mutiny' within the Hive, which will ultamately cause Ralle more trouble.

Seeing as those people have no idea to know why those people are banned, and 99% of those banned are multiaccounts, then they really shouldn't be whining. If they want to ask why someone was banned, sure, but random whining will happen, and is irrational.

[And, the 'jail mode' would be made to have the users not completely expelled from the Hive, but rather, for them to be able to witness large events and small events, without being able to participate, (except to the Admins). Furthermore, they could watch chat, but not comment. This would likely cause them to be more careful to obey rules. And if they continue to be bad. Simply ban them, and the other users would not feel bad.

There is already such a thing, it's called Global Ignore, and it does sometimes happen.

Hmm....
Do you have an example of an inconsistency?
Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean, so I was hoping you could give me an example.

The punishment for certain rules being broken (Look at the infractions archive), and the fact that I don't believe Moderators should be punished any differently than Users, for example.

 

[Pyritie]

How effective is the administration... I'm not sure about overall, but I know some admins are more effective than others...

Yes, Wolve's gone. We relied on him too much. Instead of saying "oh, we'll do that when Wolve gets back" you're completely missing the point. What if he never comes back? The admins (and other people in general) need to stop whining about "when he'll get back", and instead get other people to cover the jobs that Wolve did

 

[DesKaladA]

I find the admins to be verry inefective when dealing with my trolling complaints and outher user issues

also a key issue that i have with the admins is the fact that they are makeing it a fact that wolver will return

 

[MasterHaosis]

Well they are somewhat effective because it is hard to manage and control big site such this but they are organised, help people when they have time. Yeah they can do alot more and better their jobs, but depending here is chaos now wothout Wolverabid and others they must continue to be united with Ralle as main leader. It is not true that it is Dictatorship because here is total freedom, people can say or to mainly whatever they want. many of them deserved ban and they still stay here and spam...

 

[emperor_d3st]

Okay, so again... What are the admins' jobs exactly?

 

[PurplePoot]

Depends which one.

Samuraid manages the server, Ralle manages the site, Archian manages the staff, Wolverabid managed the community when he was around.

No idea what Bob and DSG do, but I think they're more global mods.

 

[Pyritie]

No idea what Bob and DSG do, but I think they're more global mods.

If they're more global mods, why do they have the "Site Admin" title and ranking?

 

[PurplePoot]

A lot of people ask that. I think they have a few more powers, but meh, maybe they should be.

 

[Rui]

I'm perfectly OK with Bob as administrator. He's a nice guy and although inactive, he helped me with the Roleplaying forum.

Also, only Samuraid actually helps Ralle, I see none of the other administrators doing anything.

Report Post?

To end up being fixed by Ralle. Again, where the hell are our administrators or global moderators? -_-

 

[BoneBreaker]

Actually, DSG helps A LOT more then you think.

 

[RoughneckLeader]

I say that they are some-what effective. I think the main problem is that there isn't enough moderators.

 

[~Void~]

How effective is the administration... I'm not sure about overall, but I know some admins are more effective than others...

Yes, Wolve's gone. We relied on him too much. Instead of saying "oh, we'll do that when Wolve gets back" you're completely missing the point. What if he never comes back? The admins (and other people in general) need to stop whining about "when he'll get back", and instead get other people to cover the jobs that Wolve did

That's basically what Ghan_04 is doing right now.

I voted neutral because sometimes it's great, and sometimes it's not so great.

 

[Rui]

I say that they are some-what effective. I think the main problem is that there isn't enough moderators.

Oh my god. There are not enough moderators? There are MORE THAN ENOUGH moderators, the problem is that none of them do anything and for some reason they get to go around with the fancy staff label.
And promotion is not as good as it sounds. Some of our Forum Moderators were initially Resource Moderators, and as soon as they were promoted, they stopped working on their resource sections.

So no, it is FALSE that there are not enough Global Moderators/Administrators, and it is TRUE that we lack Resource Moderators, we have an exaggerated amount of members in the higher staff and a ridiculously low amount of lower staff working in the Resource Sections.
That's why currently people ask why this guy or the other were promoted and the Resource section (especially Maps) are unmoderated and pilled up.

Also, Wolverabid was important because he somehow enchanted this forum and he had a special way of contacting Ralle for immediate action, whenever something happened.

 

[HINDYhat]

Some people shouldn't be administrators at all, simply because there are better people that actually do something, who could replace them. I voted neutral because, while some of the administration is doing an excellent job, another part of it is totally useless.

EDIT: Rui, you are wrong. It's not that there are enough global moderators and administrators. It's that we need to find the appropriate people for the job (seems to be going well now). We aren't lacking resource moderators at all... again, we just need to find people willing to do the job and who are QUALIFIED!!

 

[Rui]

Some people shouldn't be administrators at all, simply because there are better people that actually do something, who could replace them. I voted neutral because, while some of the administration is doing an excellent job, another part of it is totally useless.

I had to quote this for truth.

Rui, you are wrong. It's not that there are enough global moderators and administrators. It's that we need to find the appropriate people for the job (seems to be going well now). We aren't lacking resource moderators at all... again, we just need to find people willing to do the job and who are QUALIFIED!!

Which is more or less what I was trying to say. When I meant there are more than enough administrators and global moderators, I meant admins/globals who don't do anything at all.
But I don't mean it all, for example, I'm pretty OK having VGsatomi as Global Moderator because although he is in that position, he didn't quit working on the Map Section, and when he leaves, he clearly states his reasons.

As for the last part, I can't agree. You should spend a day at that Map Section and you'd see what I'm talking about.

 

[HINDYhat]

Well, there arises another problem... The quality of the maps that we accept in our database, but I won't bring that up here, for the 10000th time.

 

[Rui]

That's why I opened up a debate about the current guidelines. All contributions would be great.

 

[Velmarshal]

Well I vote sommewhat effective, cause it can always be better. I noticed that most of the recourses have bad keywords. Which causes the advanced search to be less effective.
I do agree with Rui. We need more, demi mods. I mean those with headhunter icon.
I would be more than happy to help, if I could.
Anyway, back to the topic. Some mods do a great job, while some don't. It would be great if someone manages to motivate the lazy mods to be... less lazy

And what do you need to be qualified for a demi mod?
Just asking.

 

[Rui]

I posted a visitor message in your profile. That'll be a better place to discuss mini-judging.

 

[Alleycat5]

Ok, currently what Is the seystem setup and staff?

like:

|Server Admin-Site Admin-Staff Trainer\Admin-Community Admin|
|Global Infratction Moderator-Global Commplaints Moderator-Global Resources Moderator|
|Arena Moderator-Warcraft 3 Modding Moderator-Artist Discussion Moderator-WC3 Tutorials Moderator-Jass Resource Mod-Model Recource Mod-Spell Resource Mod-
Gamer Hub Moderator-Project Watcher-Off-Topic Moderator|

ect......
?

 

[Pyritie]

Well the admins and forum moderators are the only real ones with "roles" as such... the globals just, well, are global.

 

[Alleycat5]

Globals role is to kind of watch over everything and in the system of reports, forum moderators report to globals who report to admins.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

The truth is that the higher up members forget their duties to the site on the lower end of things. Being an administrator requires you be a resource moderator in every resource section, being an administrator requires you moderate every forum and help everyone make their experience here as enjoyable as possible. Being a global moderator requires that you do everything for every lower area of the site. This doesn't happen, currently, rather the higher up members just hire new people to do the dirty work for them. That's a load of bollocks.

I have never seen a more disorganized and haphazard site as I have in the hive. Please take that I'm not insulting it in any way, but that this place needs a reform before it can even be considered a modding site as opposed to a WC3 MySpace (Look at the dumb profiles). If the hive wants to be taken seriously and not just be a safe haven for everyone that's too scared to go anywhere else, it needs to first start by redoing the entire staff.

I would take the current list of staff members and purge them all. Dedicate some admin with good and trustworthy judgment to reassign users to places based on qualifications and activity and dedication. God damnit, people, moderating a website is not a bloody job, it is a privilege. The moment you lose site of that, you are no longer qualified in the least to moderate the site on any level. There are a lot of strong users here and I'll be damned that yeah, I'm jealous that a lot of them choose to be here, but that's their choice. To squander such talent is blasphemy in the highest manner, treat the users here well by giving them a God damned staff worthy of their positions.

Man, you know, the hardest thing about lurking in the shadows here is that it pains me to see such talent wasted. There are so many strong users here and I'll be damned, if it were my call I'd treat them all like kings and queens for their qualifications. I only wish I wasn't the only one that thinks that way, the hive is more a slave-driven job for them than it is a place to have fun all things considered.

 

[Velmarshal]

The truth is that the higher up members forget their duties to the site on the lower end of things. Being an administrator requires you be a resource moderator in every resource section, being an administrator requires you moderate every forum and help everyone make their experience here as enjoyable as possible. Being a global moderator requires that you do everything for every lower area of the site. This doesn't happen, currently, rather the higher up members just hire new people to do the dirty work for them. That's a load of bollocks.

I have never seen a more disorganized and haphazard site as I have in the hive. Please take that I'm not insulting it in any way, but that this place needs a reform before it can even be considered a modding site as opposed to a WC3 MySpace (Look at the dumb profiles). If the hive wants to be taken seriously and not just be a safe haven for everyone that's too scared to go anywhere else, it needs to first start by redoing the entire staff.

I would take the current list of staff members and purge them all. Dedicate some admin with good and trustworthy judgment to reassign users to places based on qualifications and activity and dedication. God damnit, people, moderating a website is not a bloody job, it is a privilege. The moment you lose site of that, you are no longer qualified in the least to moderate the site on any level. There are a lot of strong users here and I'll be damned that yeah, I'm jealous that a lot of them choose to be here, but that's their choice. To squander such talent is blasphemy in the highest manner, treat the users here well by giving them a God damned staff worthy of their positions.

Man, you know, the hardest thing about lurking in the shadows here is that it pains me to see such talent wasted. There are so many strong users here and I'll be damned, if it were my call I'd treat them all like kings and queens for their qualifications. I only wish I wasn't the only one that thinks that way, the hive is more a slave-driven job for them than it is a place to have fun all things considered.

As I always say: "Truth hurts more than a lie".

 

[Alleycat5]

wow......that was good, and very truthfull

 

[brad.dude03]

I stand at Neutral. Though the Admin team resolves many problems shortly after occuring, however sometimes it takes way too long. Whenever Wolve disappears, the user end of the site just goes to hell, with Ralle and DSG having to pick up the massive burden that Wolve leaves in his wake.

The Globals should be doing this job, but since Mecheon is the most active out of them all, and that's not saying much at all, they usually tend are no where to be found.

Now, the only reason I remain neutral is because we have two brand new Globals, which should hopefully help speed up the running of the site.

As long as they don't get perma-AFK like the other three.

And PS, Poot, Bob's job is Site Manager of Awesome. It's hard to deal with awesome every day of your life, but Bob does his best.

 

[Kwah]

Very effective.

They solve many problems very quickly.

The only problem is the delay to get problems solved.
This is because of the limited # of admins.

[To solve this deadly problem I vote that we elect hawk900 as admin for life]

lol, just kidding.

I think that the admins do a great job in the upkeep of the site.

This is really my opnion. The admins do need to work abit more on being well "global"

 

[HINDYhat]

They solve many problems very quickly.

The only problem is the delay to get problems solved.

I never thought it was possible to contradict oneself in simply two lines of text.

 

[Alleycat5]

Its quick.....but its slow......

I think the translation is:

"They recognize the problems quickly but they take their time solving them."

 

[Zombie]

I think it's somewhat effective. Spammers get punished accordingly and lately models are moderated pretty fast. We got all the government we need, I only voted somewhat effective because nothing is perfect.

 

[Kwah]

Ok, that was an oximoron. I did not realise when I was typing.

What I mean is:

They solve them quiickly for their number.

Overall admin response could be faster though.

 

[Hakeem]

Somewhat Ineffective.

This is not a complaint, however. If this were a question of whether or not I am satisfied with the administration, I would say "Adequate." Considering what a forum can be like, this poll aims at the upper portion of the spectrum.

I say Somewhat Ineffective because when someone posts porn, for example, very many people may see it before it is dealt with.

 

[PurplePoot]

I say Somewhat Ineffective because when someone posts porn, for example, very many people may see it before it is dealt with.

It depends on if a moderator is online, most of the time.

Also, how would you know if someone posted it when we deal with it right away?

 

[Zombie]

PurplePoot, that's the point of very effective administration. It's not enough to provide a safe site, you'll have to make people know that it's safe. If people don't know about that someone posted porn, that means the community is very good because the mods/admins keep the site clean, imply fair rules, and deal with everything fast.

EDIT: I think responding to spam at once is impossible. You'll need to have a mod watching every thread in every second.

 

[Hakeem]

Which is why I don't expect to ever vote "Very Effective".

 

[Squiggy]

Neutral.
There are 3 things i noticed being here on THW:
#1 Reputation:
Everyone whines about it and stuff. I mean - are users with higher reputation also higher in the hierarchy of this board? I hope not.
I personally laugh at users who set the knowledge of other users according to their reputation.
In my opinion, reputation is rather a thing which one should get for his/her work BUT NOT a scale for users.
As a result of that, people with higher reputation feel like they have more rights than others and they can blame newbies for (stupid) questions.
That is, in my eyes, not the result reputation was implemented, isn't it? (+)

#2 Administration
Being an administrator is a hell of work. So, active administrators have my full respect concerning site-management, server-upkeep, keeping all cats 'in form' and stuff.
As far as i know, the purpose of an administrator is on the one hand the things i wrote above, but on the other, an administrator also has to maintain the relation between himself and the 'normal' users and that means treat everybody the same and not thinking 'yeah, i'm the admin and you, folks, are lower-valued'. For heaven's sake, i did not notice such a thing here significally..
I know, having priviledges is a nice thing but once someone receives priviledges such as -rep, banning, ect.. this 'someone' must also care for his 'new" position, which leads to #3. (-)

#3 Managing a forum with such a huge diversity is a really unthankful job.
That's why god has given us moderators and global moderators. But it's always the same song, people get to tend to lay down on their position being a (global) moderator.
To have a maximum efficiency, this forum shall contain at least 7 global moderators and another 29 moderators -at least (one global for every category and a moderator for every subcategory) only for the board section, so resource-mods have to be recruited too.
So, who can get up the to manage his/her section (e.g. tutorials) day by day?
Few people, i suppose.. so, i think the so-called maximum of efficiency is VERY hard to reach (~)
C'mon, flame me
_____
PS: Don't blame me for my english pleeeease

 

[Kwah]

Squiggy, your english was actually very good! Keep up the good work.

You also had many good points with which I agree with.

 

[Formula1]

I'm getting the impression that some might be overwhelmed.
But the general theme of everything is no one knows better then the ones in charge....

 

[brad.dude03]

Hi, don't ressurect old threads. Much has changed. The rules about Necroposting have not.

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