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Adam and Eve

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Hey guys! Thought I might annoy you just a bit more for tonight.

I am here to talk about Adam and Eve, you know, the humans that were banned from paradise by admin when they ate of the forbidden fruit.

But what if there was no paradise? What if Adam and Eve just, after eating the fruit and thereby becoming more like God himself, just found faults about the perfect land that God created for them. Think about it, can't this be what the author of Genesis meant?
 
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''To have sex before marriage is bad''

I've never heard of that Eva and Adam were married, nor could those things have existed back then?

''They ate the apple from the wisdoms tree''
So.. What's so bad about it? Does God only want dumb people in his paradise? People who does not ask but just do what he wants?
 
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first myth-it was not an apple, at least we dont know what kind of fruit, just writen "fruit" secondly they had many many childrens, not just the two sons. Thirdly, some "scientiscs" say that the Garden of Eden was situated in Perzia golf (or what the name is) under the sea
 
People are bad! they lie all the time. You can even find them around hive.The fruit from the tree was not important what was important that Adam and Eva promised the God not to eat the Fruit from the tree. But they ate the tree breaking the promise that they made. The story says that Eva was tricked by satan. I think Satan words were "God does not want you to become like him to rule over everthing" so she was only thinking about here self wich is bad.
 
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Silly humans! Adam and Eve created babies through mitosis!

But on a more serious note, you can hardly take anything in the bible and read it as the truth. This is why I don't get how there's this whole massive religion following words of a book thousands of years old with no proof in being true (other than entirely by belief; but then again, you could make that argument for anything, such as Scientology).
 
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Genesis can be seen as a parable, an account that is gifted with easily recognizable symbols that tell a literal truth about the origins of matter and life by the will of God.

Adam and Eve could have been literally true, or they could have been a symbolic patriarch and matriarch ethnicity for Homo Sapiens, or even all the kinds of man.

Afterall, Modern Humans did come from eastern Africa, and Eden was located in Eastern Africa.

It is highly possible that if the tale is not mostly true/completely true, then Adam and Eve's fall from grace is a tale of God's creation moving from the innocence of a primitive hunter gatherer society in a paradise connected to the blissful nature around them, towards an agrarian society where civilization and all its negative impacts grow and flourish, forever being kicked out of the hunter gatherer paradise, and their primitive, yet blissful mental state.

But that is one interpretation amongst a few standing theories.

I personally believe in a bit of both sides.
 
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Hey guys! Thought I might annoy you just a bit more for tonight.

I am here to talk about Adam and Eve, you know, the humans that were banned from paradise by admin when they ate of the forbidden fruit.

But what if there was no paradise? What if Adam and Eve just, after eating the fruit and thereby becoming more like God himself, just found faults about the perfect land that God created for them. Think about it, can't this be what the author of Genesis meant?

Interesting point of view. But then again, what would the author try to achieve by saying "humanity" (let's call it that instead of "Adam and Eve") saw the "faults" of themselves and their environment? I mean, most things in the bible with symbolic meanings are supposed to "teach" something, so what would this teach us? It's not as if we should be prohibitted to "eat from the fruits of wisdom"...

But that is one interpretation amongst a few standing theories.
It's not a fucking theory, it sounds like absolute gibberish to me.
 
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Interesting point of view. But then again, what would the author try to achieve by saying "humanity" (let's call it that instead of "Adam and Eve") saw the "faults" of themselves and their environment? I mean, most things in the bible with symbolic meanings are supposed to "teach" something, so what would this teach us? It's not as if we should be prohibitted to "eat from the fruits of wisdom"...

Maybe it is meant to teach us not to be so negative about everything? This is just something I thought of at about nine o' clock some night, not to be taken too seriously, since I am not very educated (believe it or not).
 
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Fall of Adam

In the Garden of Eden, God commanded, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it, nevertheless, thou mayest choose for thyself, for it is given unto thee; but remember that I forbid it, for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Moses 3:16–17). Because Adam and Eve transgressed this command and partook of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were cast out from the presence of the Lord (see D&C 29:40–41). In other words, they experienced spiritual death. They also became mortal—subject to physical death. This spiritual and physical death is called the Fall.


Our Fallen Condition

As descendants of Adam and Eve, we inherit a fallen condition during mortality (see Alma 42:5–9, 14). We are separated from the presence of the Lord and subject to physical death. We are also placed in a state of opposition, in which we are tested by the difficulties of life and the temptations of the adversary (see 2 Nephi 2:11–14; D&C 29:39; Moses 6:48–49).

In this fallen condition, we have a conflict within us. We are spirit children of God, with the potential to be "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4). However, "we are unworthy before [God]; because of the fall our natures have become evil continually" (Ether 3:2). We need to strive continually to overcome unrighteous passions and desires.

Repeating the words of an angel, King Benjamin said, "The natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam." King Benjamin warned that in this natural, or fallen, state, each person will be an enemy to God forever "unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father" (Mosiah 3:19).

Benefits of the Fall

The Fall is an integral part of Heavenly Father's plan of salvation (see 2 Nephi 2:15–16; 9:6). It has a twofold direction—downward yet forward. In addition to introducing physical and spiritual death, it gave us the opportunity to be born on the earth and to learn and progress. Through our righteous exercise of agency and our sincere repentance when we sin, we can come unto Christ and, through His Atonement, prepare to receive the gift of eternal life. The prophet Lehi taught:

"If Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.

"And [Adam and Eve] would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

"But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

"Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.

"And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall" (2 Nephi 2:22–26; see also 2 Nephi 2:19–21, 27).

Adam and Eve expressed their gratitude for the blessings that came as a result of the Fall:

"Adam blessed God and was filled, and began to prophesy concerning all the families of the earth, saying: Blessed be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have joy, and again in the flesh I shall see God.

"And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient" (Moses 5:10-11).

Redemption from the Fall

Because of our fallen, mortal nature and our individual sins, our only hope is in Jesus Christ and the plan of redemption.

Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, everyone will be redeemed from the effects of the Fall. We will be resurrected, and we will be brought back into the presence of the Lord to be judged (see 2 Nephi 2:5–10; Alma 11:42–45; Helaman 14:15–17).

In addition to redeeming us from the universal effects of the Fall, the Savior can redeem us from our own sins. In our fallen state, we sin and distance ourselves from the Lord, bringing spiritual death upon ourselves. As the Apostle Paul said, "All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). If we remain in our sins, we cannot dwell in the presence of God, for "no unclean thing can dwell . . . in his presence" (Moses 6:57). Thankfully, the Atonement "bringeth to pass the condition of repentance" (Helaman 14:18), making it possible for us to receive forgiveness for our sins and dwell in the presence of God forever. Alma taught, "There was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead" (Alma 12:24).

Gratitude for the Savior's Atoning Sacrifice

Just as we do not really desire food until we are hungry, we will not fully desire eternal salvation until we recognize our need for the Savior. This recognition comes as we grow in our understanding of the Fall. As the prophet Lehi taught, "All mankind were in a lost and in a fallen state, and ever would be save they should rely on this Redeemer" (1 Nephi 10:6).

In My Humble Opinion.
 
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In My Humble Opinion.

Agreed. This is quite possibly the most intelligent post in this thread.

Although, as for the rest, there are many theories as to how it worked scientifically, but I personally believe
1: It doesn't nesicarilly have to work scientifically because God could do whatever he wants with earth (according to the bible).
2: Sure if they were the only ones alive they would have to be married or they could not reproduce and not sin, but the only reason that adultery is 'sin' is because it was told to us by the church, and the government, of course it was told to Moses by God on mount Sainai but that was later and man did not know the laws of God, so even if it was not sin, it could have been perfectly fine, also there was no marriage back then.
3: It could very well have worked scientifically, considering that the bible says that they were perfect before they ate the fruit (not apple) so Adam and Eve may have had a perfect gene that can reproduce for a few centuries before it scrambles (because of the fruit) so yes it could work very well, even if it's sin.
 
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From an entirely scientific point of view (excluding but not denying God), historians believe that the tale of Adam and Eve could represent the transition from hunter/gatherer to farming; if you can control your food supply, ie eating fruit & such, you would become as gods (or closer than you were before) by ending your dependence on unsteady food sources like... whatever savanna equivalent of buffalo. The original fruit was a fig or something; it was made an apple by the Greeks, who believe apples bring bad fortune (Eris' golden apple). It is possible that the temptation is represented by a snake because snakes were seen as good before that time, and the church wanted to undo pagan beliefs (is anyone familiar with a Caduceus? It is a cross with a/two winged snake/s entwined around it, and represents healing. The blind seer Tiresias had a lot to do with snakes also).
 
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I saw that you said the hunter => society, but I figured mentioning it would add too many () in the middle of my thing, and what they disagreed with was far enough out of the way of my post that I feel fine :p. Thanks for the tip anyways.
 
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Airhead said:
Agreed. This is quite possibly the most intelligent post in this thread.

Why thank you. However, I can't take the credit, really; I just copy/pasted from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Just what us "Mormons" preach and believe.


Teh_Ephy said:
...but I figured mentioning it would add too many () in the middle of my thing...
Take it from me; you can never have too many parentheses. :p
 
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^Thank you.

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"Technically" nothing; those are a disgruntled off-shoot of the true LDS belief-systems known as FLDS (or Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saints). They incorrectly preach and commit the abhorrent practices of polygamy and/or child marriage. Sick and immoral.

--EDIT--

Although the "Utah Mormons" aren't always the best example, shall we say, of Mormon values. :p (or so I'm told).
 
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brad.dude03 said:
Yes, I would hope not. But from what I understand, even the most Liberal Mormons are like conservative Christians, no?

Please, educate me.
Umm... Huh? I am confused by your question. Are you stating/questioning that Mormons are so conversative, that even Liberal Mormons are akin to conservative Christians?

What (if any) is the perceived "problem"?
 
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L. O. L. What makes you think the Garden of Eden is in Africa?

It is not in Africa (or even existent) any more, because the location is covered by the waters of the Persian Gulf. (which technically isn't Africa, but is close enough)

Though this is a hypothesis/theory, and I am still looking in on other possibilities.

Converging science with faith is the purpose of this.
 
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This is the first time I'm ever going to do this because I'm a bloody perfectionist but...

L. O. L. What makes you think the Garden of Eden is in Africa?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Tigris and Euphrates are two of the four rivers that converged at the Garden of Eden, no? The Tigris and Euphrates are basically right next to Africa, and the other two rivers are (I've heard) obviously there (but underwater) when viewed from outer space.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Tigris and Euphrates are two of the four rivers that converged at the Garden of Eden, no? The Tigris and Euphrates are basically right next to Africa, and the other two rivers are (I've heard) obviously there (but underwater) when viewed from outer space.
1. Pics or it didn't happen. :p

2. *points to avatar*
Tigris and Euphrates.JPG

If you count "basically right next" to each other as "not on opposite hemispheres", then yes, they are right next to each other. A mere stone's throw. :p

However, I believe that the doctrine states (don't quote me on this) that at that time the world was one continent (~ Pangaea), so they could've been closer. :? Meh.

3. See #1.
 
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Just as saying it's located in the spiritual "next world" (essentially heaven/hell [both cold and hot]). All fair guesses. I just thought it was funny, since I never recall there being "Eden" on my home-room's map-of-the-world.
 
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