Zephyr Challenge #7 - Nature

[Kercyn]

First WIP. Yeah, I know a tree is not a place for a footman, but I needed to see if it worked correctly

 

[Klingo]

Kercyn , what your spell is suppose to do?

Edit: Can we use imported stuff?

 

[Ash Darkside]

Judgment:
The Warden judges her enemies unworthy of the life given to them by nature and channels the roots of judgment to take that life back, damage every ground, non mechanical enemy unit for (X) per second for (5) seconds. At the end of channeling, 75% of drained life is given to the ancient of judgment which rises to bring the hammer of justice on nature’s enemies. If the channeling is interrupted, the drained life is seeded in nearby corpses raising them as treant warriors (each warrior requires 250 drained HP and a corpse to raise).
Level 1: drains 10 HP per second.
Level 2: drains 20 HP per second.
Level 3: drains 30 HP per second.

I'll post a wip later.

 

[Lambdadelta]

I was thinking of using some idea with Gaia or some other god/ess ?

Touch of Gaia
Whisper of Gaia
Gaia's Wrath (Overused?)

Argh. I'm idealess. Do faeries / wisp / spirits fit in with nature theme?

 

[real138]

hey black rose if you want an idea i got one for you.

 

[Lambdadelta]

:O What what what? :O

(Is that even right? By contest rules and my own, I'd feel better if I came up with the idea myself, but go for it. It might inspire something )

 

[Dubey]

I think I shall enter this as well ^_^

Have an awesome Idea for an AoE spell

 

[Cihparg]

WherewolfTherewolf, Fix the MUI'ness of your entry.
If you cast it multiple times, the other ones cast before won't do anything. (Well they grow high, but thats all)

 

[Etzer]

I've made a pre-beta version of my spell.
ALOT will (likely) be changed, and more is to come :

 

[Garfield1337]

@Etzer
It looks like just another knockback spell,you should add something unique for it.

 

[-Kobas-]

Etzer lol I have something like that also! Difference is that mine will pulse few times, each time push units away

Nah I will change that, I have better idea

 

[Etzer]

@Etzer
It looks like just another knockback spell,you should add something unique for it.

I am ALREADY adding some more unique for it.

Etzer lol I have something like that also! Difference is that mine will pulse few times, each time push units away

Nah I will change that, I have better idea

Hah, well I am changing mine too, so it's no big deal xD

 

[-Kobas-]

Well I finished with mine, it can use only 1 trigger to do job, but I needed 3 to clean mess
I will edit it a little add few stuff and then maybe upload it here!

 

[Klingo]

Etzer , You should make it MUI.

Altough , how do you make a video?

 

[Etzer]

I think it's MUI...

Hypercam 2, Fraps and Sony Vegas

 

[Klingo]

I think it's MUI...

Hypercam 2, Fraps and Sony Vegas

thanks for the video but as I can see your video , you don't use any indexing system nor hashtable...


Edit: I have a two question.
#1: can we put random name to our variable?
#2: We loose points if we don't do any documentation?

 

[Etzer]

Indexing system? I can't configure hashtables, so I don't know how to use them.

 

[Klingo]

Indexing system? I can't configure hashtables, so I don't know how to use them.

watch that, maybe it will help. http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/trigger-gui-editor-tutorials-279/dynamic-values-storage-121558/

 

[real138]

Just learn how to use hashtables it will be well worth it. They aren't difficult... If you want I'll teach you how.

 

[Etzer]

I would be forever greatful!

 

[Ash Darkside]

Hashtables aren’t that difficult, it turns out that they are just a massive 2D matrix that can store anything.

No feedback on my idea?

I guess I have to post a wip to get attention.

 

[Etzer]

You must post a WIP, ideas are not so interesting.

 

[Klingo]

There's a sample of my spell (WIP)

Mysterious Fruit

Forest Protector use his mystical power to produce some dangerous "fruit" which are thrown at a random place around the tree when they are ready. When they fall on the ground they release mysterious poisonous dust which give a curse the misfortuned enemies stand close, those curses are: Paralize, Blind, Slow or Heal. The tree can only make ten fruit then he need to recharge his power.
Level #1aralyze for 3 seconds / Blind 80 % miss / Heal 100 HP / Slow 50%.
Level #2: Paralyze for 4 seconds / Blind 90 % miss / Heal 150 HP/ Slow 75%.
Level #3aralyze for 5 seconds / Blind 100 % / Heal 200 HP / Slow 100%.
Cooldown 12/11/10 seconds.

View attachment Klingo's Contest Submission.w3x

PS: I hope I didn't stole anyone's idea

 

[Berb]

You used the name Treant for your hero. Fail. 0/10

 

[Klingo]

You used the name Treant for your hero. Fail. 0/10

awesume.... I'll find a new name

 

[Kingz]

30 % of the winner shall be determined by the results of a public poll.

How about you lower this to 0%?
Or something like 10%?

Polls are abusable and messy anyway...

Anyway I ain't joining if a 1/3 of the score is determined by a poll =P

 

[Garfield1337]

There shouldn't be public poll in my opinion.

 

[Lambdadelta]

Do the visual effects match the spell? Do the effects provide unnecessary clutter (too many), or are the not enough? Do the visual(s)? contribute in a positive manner?

Because I have nothing else to do, I decide to pick on the thread.

Edit: =O - Why not fix up the typos?

'the' should be 'they'?
'visual' should be 'visuals'
or
'Do' should be 'does'?

 

[doboss]

So guys, for models used in spell I need permission of creator, yeah?

 

[Deolrin]

You just need to put credits somewhere.

 

[Dubey]

Hey, as this is my first time entering a Zephyr... how do we submit our spells?

 

[doboss]

thanks, Iam thinking about entry for first time too

 

[Eccho]

Hey, as this is my first time entering a Zephyr... how do we submit our spells?

In this thread before the dealine. It could be wise to show some descriptive comments in the final submission post as well.

 

[Cihparg]

I'm not sure will I join but I might join.

About the theme; Is a Corruption spell okay (If it's target is Nature)?

 

[Berb]

What do you mean by that?

 

[real138]

Probably corrupting a nature element i think.

 

[Deolrin]

Corruption, like, target a tree(the nature part :|) and it will become evil. That's what I'm guessing anyways.

 

[Berb]

awesume.... I'll find a new name

I wasn't serious, haha.

 

[-Kobas-]

Well after few created abilities that look like some already used, with same Night Elf heroes I was defeated and lost motivation for contest!

Then my friend gave me awesome idea! Taurens, mother earth, nature!
Here it is my spell, someone call it WIP some test, doesn't mater, tell me what you think about it...

I will add more until deadline (example: description and English check will be finished soon) I will try to reduce lag even more, add some formulas etc etc!

I don't want to write all about it here, test it first
Oh btw current main part is: damage, slow, stun!
If you have more ideas tell me and if I use them you will find yourself in Credits!

P.S. Teamwork isn't allowed so pls don't edit triggers or show them here! I need only your ideas! Also don't upload spell to other sites without my permission!

 

[Berb]

I don't know -Kobas- that really doesn't seem like a Nature spell. You use those cliff doodads which could be argued as "nature" oriented but then there's an enormous explosion of fire. I would consider this type of spell as "volcanic" (and would probably fall under the category of fire) - we'll see what the others have to say.

Also your the fog/smoke that is spread over the terrain is even used under water, and it is tremendously noticeable that there is mysterious fog/dust beneath the surface of the water.

There's a sample of my spell (WIP)

Mysterious Fruit

Forest Protector use his mystical power to produce some dangerous "fruit" which are thrown at a random place around the tree when they are ready. When they fall on the ground they release mysterious poisonous dust which give a curse the misfortuned enemies stand close, those curses are: Paralize, Blind, Slow or Heal. The tree can only make ten fruit then he need to recharge his power.
Level #1aralyze for 3 seconds / Blind 80 % miss / Heal 100 HP / Slow 50%.
Level #2: Paralyze for 4 seconds / Blind 90 % miss / Heal 150 HP/ Slow 75%.
Level #3aralyze for 5 seconds / Blind 100 % / Heal 200 HP / Slow 100%.
Cooldown 12/11/10 seconds.

Not only did I find it extremely difficult to have the fruit hit a nearby enemy, but even when it did nothing seemed to actually happen. I also noticed that the fruit movement was a little glitchy in areas. I won't be specific, it is up to you to find the bugs.

 

[-Kobas-]

lol thanks I was expecting GTFO NOOB go kill yourself or something like that
Well about terrain, it is because fog is global effect and my terrain don't have blizzard made cliff etc I will not explain but thanks for that, it will be fixed, removed or whatever!
About fire ok I will replace that effect with some other I wanted to find something like dust explosion but hah, there is nothing like that! Maybe will I change color and transparency a little to remove red and add more gray color

I will wait for few more opinions, English check and few more stuff and then post another WIP!

 

[Berb]

Corruption, like, target a tree(the nature part :|) and it will become evil. That's what I'm guessing anyways.

Well if that is the case, then it really depends on how he executes the idea. If I am not completely convinced that it is Nature themed then it will not be accepted as a submission. Obviously if a WIP is posted this kind of ambiguity can be directly addressed.

About fire ok I will replace that effect with some other I wanted to find something like dust explosion but hah, there is nothing like that! Maybe will I change color and transparency a little to remove red and add more gray color

Well it's not just the "fire effect" that makes it volcanic. You spawn rocks around the caster which, in one way or another, relates to "nature"; the problem lies in the entirety of the theme of your spell. Even if you were to simply replace the fire with green-ish glows I would still not be convinced that it is a nature themed spell.

I really would not recommend using spells that are border-line themed. It should be absolutely, undoubtedly, crystalline clear that it is NATURE THEMED.

 

[-Kobas-]

Ok ok ok I will replace rocks with thorns! Change few stuff to make it more nature

 

[Kercyn]

Kercyn , what your spell is suppose to do?

Edit: Can we use imported stuff?

There's a description of the spell a few pages back. And yes, as long as you credit the creator of the resource, imports are allowed.

 

[Klingo]

Not only did I find it extremely difficult to have the fruit hit a nearby enemy, but even when it did nothing seemed to actually happen. I also noticed that the fruit movement was a little glitchy in areas. I won't be specific, it is up to you to find the bugs.

Altough , it's a WIP , it's not finish.

 

[Berb]

I know it's not your finished result, I just thought some feedback would be good for you so that your final submission is as good as it can be.

 

[Ash Darkside]

I have the strangest bug ever, in an attempt to make the spell support multi-level, I used the following line

• Hashtable - Save (Level of Judgment 1 for TU) as 4 of (Key TH) in HashtableJ

which triggers upon casting. And this function gives (the level of the spell -1) the first time that unit cast the spell and if it casts the spell again it gives the right value but if another unit casts the spell it gives the wrong value for that unit and will give the wrong value for the first unit too!
I have no idea what to do.

Aside for memory leeks (and the bug mentioned above) which I am still not very sure of how to remove them, every thing should work fine.

View attachment spell.w3x

test and give feed back (I know this isn't the best test map you ever seeen, I'll make a better one later).

 

[baassee]

this thread was a pain in the ass to read

Well if I have some time over to cut some slack, then I'm in, else out.

edit

I see alot of mentioning of hash usage, indexing anyone?

 

[Klingo]

this thread was a pain in the ass to read

Well if I have some time over to cut some slack, then I'm in, else out.

edit

I see alot of mentioning of hash usage, indexing anyone?

I'm using indexing

 

[spencenator]

@Ash Darkside

There are some things you can do
1. When you stop using the hashtable valuews for a unit, always clear child hashtables. It should be as natural as clearing leaks.
2. Make sure that the initial values for all the integer variables are different. When they are all the same, the hashtable seems to get confused for some reason.

If neither of those work, it's either a code fault or a rare hashbug. Hashbug meaning: a random bug occurs that breaks the hashtable that is of no fault of the code. This has happened to me once, it was a tick for a sweeping stream flamethrower. A bug occurred where whenever the hash-tick reached 22, everything broke down. Apparently, hashbugs only happen in gui.

I'm going to test it right now and see what i can find

EDIT: you have the initial values right

EDIT2: you're clearing childs correctly, but you are doing some bad things. First of all I'm not sure if you were planning on fixing this when you were done, but you have some major leakage. Second of all, you are using numbers as the key for saving your hashtable values. This is bad, because then nobody knows what each number means, and it might even be screwing with your hashtable. Please, use an appropriately named variable! it makes for good coding practice, and will allow you to score higher.

I'm finding it difficult to cipher through your code when all you variables are random numbers, so I can't provide any further feedback until this is fixed.