Zephyr Challenge #5 - Delayed Effect

[Earth-Fury]

Zephyr Challenge #5

Contest Theme: Delayed Effect Each contestant must create a custom ability that's primary effect is delayed for some time. (Minor effects, such as DoTs, can occur before the primary effect of the ability) Examples: Parasite - If a unit dies under the effect of Parasite, a unit is spawned. The spawning of the unit would be considered the primary effect. Doom - Similar to parasite, but the effect does not expire.

Contest Rules And Conditions

1. No submission may violate any Hive Workshop site rules.
   
2. Your submitted spell must follow the theme description. If the judging moderator feels that your spell does not follow the selected theme, then it is his decision to disqualify you.
   
3. You may use any amount of imported resources in your spell as long as you give proper credit to the creator of the resource.
   
4. Either GUI or Jass may be used to create your spell; you will not be penalized if you use GUI over Jass.
   
5. Spells must be able to be cast by at least one unit per player at any one time. (Otherwise known as "MPI")
   
6. Third party editors may be used in the creation of your spell, but you must clearly state which editor you used to create the map. If a third party editor is necessary to use your spell, add a link, along with your spell submission, to download the editor.
   
   Examples of third party editors are:
   • World Editor Unlimited
   • JassNewGenPack (or Grimoire)
   • UMSWE
7. Each spell submission must be created during the contest and must be submitted before the contest deadline (noted at the end of this post).
   
8. You may use utilities that do small jobs for you, but you may not use large systems that do everything.
   Example of utilities

   • CSCache
   • Armor Detection System
   • Local Handle Vars
   • Vector System
   Example of large systems

   • Caster System
   • Particle/Object Engine
   • Knockback Functions
   • Jump System
9. An infraction of any of the rules stated above may result in a disqualification.
   
10. Judges may not participate in the contest as contestants.
    
11. Your submission must be created only by you : No team submissions.
    
12. Completed submissions must be physically attached to this thread in a post. Your last submission will be the considered the final submission, unless if you are previously disqualified from this contest.

Prizes And Winnings

First Place: 45 reputation points and an award icon Second Place: 25 reputation points Third Place: 15 reputation points

Contest Judging And Voting

• 50% of the winner shall be determined by the contest's appointed judge.
  
• 50% of the winner shall be determined by the results of a public poll.

• Concept (15 out of 50)
  
  • How well does the spell fit in to Warcraft 3?
  • Is the spell unique, or strikingly similar to an existing spell?
  • How useful is the spell? Is it just a cinematic spell?
  • Is the idea balanced, or is the spell too useless or too powerful?
  • Etc.
• Coding (15 out of 50)
  
  • Are there memory leaks? Reference leaks?
  • Is the code well written and readable, or is the judging late because it gave me a headache?
  • How well structured is the code? Are there a dozen triggers, or only one?
  • Does the code support more or less than 3 levels?
  • Can the spell be cast by more than one unit per player at a time? (Is the spell MUI?)
  • Etc.
• Visuals (10 out of 50)
  
  • Are there effects and visual cues as to what is going on?
  • Are there far too many effects?
  • Do the visuals actually look good?
  • Etc.
• Polish (10 out of 50)
  
  • Does the spell work? Does it work well?
  • How many bugs are there?
  • Is the tooltip well written, and the spell well presented?
  • Does the spell work smoothly within Warcraft 3, or does it act eccentrically compared to the built-in spells?
  • Etc.

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Contest Dates And Deadline

All submissions must be complete and submitted 4 weeks after the contest begins.
The contest shall begin on August 10th, 2008 and conclude on

September 6th 2008 0:00 AM, GMT

 

[Eccho]

whooping 4 weeks
too bad my school starts like in the second week -.-

Illl joing and try

 

[chenlimin]

I will Join!!Glad I have half of my hoilday to work on it.

 

[Wizardum]

I was starting to asking myself when another zephyr challenge would take place.
Count me in!

 

[HINDYhat]

OH YEAH! This time I've got the gold.

 

[Eccho]

no wai -.-

 

[kewlthis]

aww i created 3 delay spells a while ago that would have been worth submiting, but meh now I need some fresh ideas.

 

[Zack1996]

Wow, I might join this contest and hopefully win .
But I have a question, how do you know whether a certain ability fits the criteria for delayed primary effect cos I can't tell how to tell...
EDIT: Never mind my previous question.
Hmmm, can a contestant submit more than 1 spell?

 

[Earth-Fury]

Wow, I might join this contest and hopefully win .
But I have a question, how do you know whether a certain ability fits the criteria for delayed primary effect cos I can't tell how to tell...
EDIT: Never mind my previous question.
Hmmm, can a contestant submit more than 1 spell?

If you have any doubts about your idea fitting the theme, ask me about it. (You can PM me, catch me in the chat, etc.)

One submission per person. The last spell you submit will be the one judged / in the poll.

 

[Eccho]

How about CS timer and group stacking. Are we allowed to use that as well?

 

[PurplePoot]

Why you need a stack of timers or groups is beyond me.

However, think about the rules. Does it code your spell for you? No.

 

[Eccho]

nah, I dont really need it... its just that I took notice of what vexorian said, that recycling timers or groups are better than destroying/creating them.

Edit: And what about the duration of the delayed effect... what is the least acceptable duration?

 

[PurplePoot]

Just because you don't recycle them doesn't mean you have to create/destroy them either.

As for the duration... it shouldn't be too hard to guess.

Ask yourself: does it seem reasonable to you? .1 seconds, for example, would be obviously not.

 

[Eccho]

ok...

No but let say 5 seconds... I was just comparing with the examples EF said. As for Doom the duration is unlimited, and for the Parasite its 30 seconds. But now when you say it, I guess is will be ok.

 

[kewlthis]

nah, I dont really need it... its just that I took notice of what vexorian said, that recycling timers or groups are better than destroying/creating them.

Edit: And what about the duration of the delayed effect... what is the least acceptable duration?

cmon....just make the spell. Its DELAYED EFFECT so just make something that can be noticed before you are damaged or affected etc..(i know there can be damage before main effect, but cmon....just make it)

 

[Eccho]

yes sir :_:

 

[PurplePoot]

Parasite is when they die, actually, so it's hugely variable.

So is doom for that matter.

 

[-Berz-]

I will might made a spell, for fun. What can i loose?

 

[Eccho]

nothing... as my goal would probably be to beat Hindyhat ^^

 

[Devine]

I have no idea why but ... i join.
What can possibly go wrong?
edit: no really i'm no match for the pro's i wont join.

 

[Eccho]

nothing I still suppose

 

[kewlthis]

Well i started making my spell (it will be very weird and maybe imba, but hopefully some people will like it). Its about 30-50% done.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

I'll join.

Also, that's a lot of time for one spell , I guess the spell has to be near perfect then...

- Does large initial damage with dps count as a delayed effect if when the unit dies, it heals the caster?

 

[Jimnaboo]

joining

 

[Kwah]

Hmm, this does not match the examples, but I think that it classifies as a delayed effect.

Something that launches into the air, waits x seconds and decends having a effect?

Also would a trap count? Or a trap with a exparation timer?

I will probably join, but it depends on how my spell turns out.

 

[PurplePoot]

hawk, the first would count.

As for the trap, I'd suggest you enter that into the Spells&Systems Mini Contest #15, which is themed Traps/Wards

 

[-Berz-]

Hmm, i could modify my trap for S&S15 and use it here as well. it works as trap and as delay spell (delayed trap ) i mean it charges out a lightning every few seconds. I think it fits in.

 

[Linaze]

I might sound like an idiot know, but since you took both example of Parasite and Doom, I suppose we are allowed to do both unit ability and hero ability?

 

[PurplePoot]

As long as it supports multiple levels.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

(Contest scoring

Polish (10 out of 50)

[*]Does the spell work? Does it work well?

[*]How many bugs are there?

[*]Is the tooltip well written, and the spell well presented?

[*]Does the spell work smoothly within Warcraft 3, or does it act eccentrically compared to the built-in spells?

[*]Etc.

So is it better to have a spell work smoothly with WC3 spells? Cause my concept so far will be sort of different than the others.

 

[Kwah]

No, it just means that it works well and smoothly, not with synergy to original warcraft three spells.

 

[Just_Spectating]

im going to admit, the theme is a hard one...

(what can i do to beat these fools.) :sneakyface:

 

[Yddohu]

A noob question: What makes a spell worthless? I mean who are you to judge this (just a joke.)
My concept can find a use in a specific map but not for melee nor dota, should I change my concept?

 

[Just_Spectating]

no but you will lose points in playablility. (Concept)

 

[Yddohu]

Playability for what? For a melee ap, arena map, aos map, hero defence map(?), you know it depends on the type.

 

[Just_Spectating]

read the first post.

 

[Yddohu]

I think you did not understand my question. I already read the first post, but I did it again.

"How useful is the spell? Is it just a cinematic spell?"

As I told before, my spell could be useful for a melee map, but not for an aos. Should I specify that "this spell has been created for a melee map" with my submission?

"Is the idea balanced, or is the spell too useless or too powerful?"

It's useless for an aos, too powerful for a hero arena, balanced for melee. Is it a problem,? I mean does it have to be balanced for lots of map type?

 

[Earth-Fury]

I think you did not understand my question. I already read the first post, but I did it again.

"How useful is the spell? Is it just a cinematic spell?"

As I told before, my spell could be useful for a melee map, but not for an aos. Should I specify that "this spell has been created for a melee map" with my submission?

"Is the idea balanced, or is the spell too useless or too powerful?"

It's useless for an aos, too powerful for a hero arena, balanced for melee. Is it a problem,? I mean does it have to be balanced for lots of map type?

Basically, you will only really lose points for creating a spell that has basically no uses. It's about trying to make a spell that has some actual uses in the game, while also making it unique, and implementing it well.

 

[Yddohu]

Global Time Shift v1.1

Here is my first wip. Will be glad if I can get some comments, because I really need it to improve this shit.

Global Time Shift
Made by BATI (Yddohu)

Hundreds of years before our time, a man known as "Shifter" learned how to cast this mysterious spell from the studies of Medivh. This spell [which is created by a mind that believes clocks have souls too] creates magical objects that has the ability to time travel those they hit. 5 seconds to install, then everything goes back.

• Level 1 - 30 magical objects that will split into 500 range.
• Level 2 - 37 magical objects that will split into 600 range.
• Level 3 - 44 magical objects that will split into 700 range.
• Level 4 - 51 magical objects that will split into 800 range.

Spell has not finished yet. There are still leaks to be cleaned, numbers to be balanced, effects to be changed.

Download Link:
[confirm="Time to time travel!"]View attachment Global_Time_Shift_v1.1.w3x[/confirm]




Credits goes to:
-OgeRfaCes for his TimeUp icon: BTN.TimeUp - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site
-Matilda_Knights for his Time Rune model: Time Rune - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site
-And Kattana for his Local Handle Vars.

Used Utilities:
-Local Handle Vars

Used 3rd Party Editors Used:
-Jass Newgen Pack

 

[Just_Spectating]

very nice post, but lets hope your spell is worthy enough for it.


My spell however

(Based on SC Nuclear Missile)

[Nuclear Missile]
Begins Pointing the Position of the Nuke, which will fall in 10 seconds, dealing MAJOR damage to all units that get hit, and a blast of radiation will arise from the explosion making units that are affected by it get damaged over time, and units that die from the radiation will transform into zombies that are under your control.
(Radiation does not affect Heros)

Nuclear Missile - [Level 1]
1000 casting range
Nuclear Missile - [Level 2]
1200 casting range
Nuclear Missile - [Level 3]
1500 casting range


Im still not sure about how i can make the levels different for now,
and not sure about any leaks,
but enjoy the spell!

 

[Yddohu]

There is a download link, so you can try my spell and tell me if it worths.

By the way, I checked your spell, it's an entertaining spell. (I restarted the map after I destroyed everything and did it again. Hahaha!) It's just, too powerful you know. But that's not important for me. It's a nice delayed spell and I do like zombies.

GJ.

 

[Eccho]

AAah, those looks interesting. I must reinstall wc3 though due to a pc crash, but then Ill them both out =]

I should start with mine soon too :S

 

[Just_Spectating]

Haha well, try playing someone who would actually move away from the red dot?
10 seconds of standing still, alot of time to die. especially when you cant do anything.

i didnt put mana cost just for the sake of this contest.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Shadow Thunder:
Allows the hero to charge up 6 lightnings which when ordered to target an enemy (right click, spell, etc.) it will unleash a dark lightning strike which burns nearby units. Each strike will make the burn last longer and once the burn comes off, a summon appears. Not sure if it qualifies as delayed effect, but check for yourself

 

[Just_Spectating]

I think you just added that summon just for the concept. That summon is very random...

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

You're right. I did add the summon for the concept, but it's not in the rules that a spell can't be random right?

Btw, nice Time Shift spell, but (if possible) try to remove the shadows from the ... time guys the units go back to.
And the nuke was sort of fun. Might be a little laggy for an actual game (since you said "try playing someone who actually moves"). Also it doesn't affect heroes, so it might be useless in most games, since most are hero based, and in non hero based games like footies...itll be a little too overpowered I think.

 

[Yddohu]

Thanks Beast, I checked out your spell too, and I liked it. The thing is, as you may already know, you have to add some special effects, or improve the ex-ones. Because in my first tries, I said that, "What the heck is going on? What does this spell do?" So maybe I am too dumb, or your spell needs some more info + effects. Keep up the good work.

Edit:
I got no idea to clean those shadows at the moment. Because they are actually dummy units that are created from the type of the actual ones.

 

[Yddohu]

@Berzerker-

Nice spell, I like that. Although I got tones of debug errors when I test it in jass newgen pack, there seems no problem with the spell. But I got a question.

"Each contestant must create a custom ability that's primary effect is delayed for some time."

What's the primary effect for your spell?

 

[-Berz-]

Every 2 seconds? It charges out every 2 seconds if you didn't notice.

 

[Eccho]

Well berz, I think the theme was meant, something small or nothing for a duration, and then the primary blast/effect at the end. Like a reversed shadow strike or a reversed frost nova. (or doom or parasite as EF said for instance)

You better check with them just in case