Zombie Plan?

Ignitedstar · Jul 14, 2011

Dynamiczx said:
uuuummm...i think,nope...What's with the feathers btw?

I was referring to Final Fantasy's way of doing this. >_>

Brambleclaw · Jul 14, 2011

Crazed_seal2 said:
Yes, the Immune System has flaws, but it will react over time. Eventually it will recognize the virus and start attacking it. It will start to produce Anti-bodies to combat the virus. This will lead to many things such as destruction of vital brain cells (Controls Movement, Behavior, ect), or Decay of the body as the Immune system begins to attack infected cells. And please someone tell me if there is a virus that can bond to, and infect all types of cells inside the human body. Unless there is, there is possibly no way for a zombie to sustain itself.

If the Immune system however is destroyed, weakened, or just doesnt work, im sure all types of invading microbes will seize its chance and start to kill the zombie.

Well that makes sense obvs a virus adapats slower than An immune system. OH wait know cause the virus mutates very easilly. And as soon as a virus begins to be countered by the immune system. Guess what! It can change its outer layer protein coat so that the immune system doesnt recognize it anymore. A zombie doesnt need to sustain its self for length amount of times. It only needs to infect another human. The idea is by 38 days the world will be zombified with only a few survivours.

This seems like a big debate. Should one of us create a thread about this in Medihvs tower. Considering the last 2 pages has gone much of topic?

Figueiredo00 · Jul 16, 2011

That's why i dont like the idea of "modern zombies" like resident evil, as the people have said, its impossible even in theory. The zombie from the tales are more interesting, and much more efficient. A Zombie outbreak in a Medieval setting may be my preference, something like "Myth the Fallen Lords"..

Crazed_seal2 · Jul 17, 2011

Okay... Maybe a virus does mutate very fast. But take the cold virus for example, it keeps mutating. Yet once we get a cold, we don't often get one that winter after we have had it and 'expelled it'. The problem with a zombie virus, is that if it is spread by blood, and saliva. Instead of Airbone transmission, the body would have destroyed the virus. And soon if the infected person was cut, eventually the viral particles would die after a bit.

Plus don't forget, not every virus particle mutates at the same time, so eventually the body will be able to hunt the virus down over a long amount of time.

Brambleclaw · Jul 18, 2011

Crazed_seal2 said:
Okay... Maybe a virus does mutate very fast. But take the cold virus for example, it keeps mutating. Yet once we get a cold, we don't often get one that winter after we have had it and 'expelled it'. The problem with a zombie virus, is that if it is spread by blood, and saliva. Instead of Airbone transmission, the body would have destroyed the virus. And soon if the infected person was cut, eventually the viral particles would die after a bit.

Plus don't forget, not every virus particle mutates at the same time, so eventually the body will be able to hunt the virus down over a long amount of time.

Wrong you can have mutiple colds in the same winter. You can expell one cold and catch another. We can get it the winter after. There are so many strains of influenza - The common cold that you can catch a cold whenever. Colds are not always caught in the witner. The viral particles would not die because the infection can pass through blood. I.E blood splatter.
Even if you were cut the infection would not cause the virus to die it lives inside cells. The zombie infection has incubation time before it is released. Therefore the body for a period of time has no idea its infected and continues to heal anyway woulds.

There are so many humans that the few who are killed indefinately barely affect zombie numbers

Elite Slayer · Jul 18, 2011

Brambleclaw said:
Wrong you can have mutiple colds in the same winter. You can expell one cold and catch another. We can get it the winter after. There are so many strains of influenza - The common cold that you can catch a cold whenever. Colds are not always caught in the witner. The viral particles would not die because the infection can pass through blood. I.E blood splatter.

I concur with what Brambleclaw said. Firstly, the common cold can be caught at any time throughout the year. In fact, it's been noted that the responsible viral infective agents - the Rhinoviruses - are quite common in Spring (especially), Summer and Autumn, in addition to Winter. Secondly, it's virtually impossible to cure a common cold. Due to hundreds of mutations and adaptations, there are many different strains and types of the common cold. In fact, 'common cold' is merely an umbrella term for a plethora of different diseases, yet all have the same symptoms, more or less. (The killer disease tuberculosis also seems to follow a similar pattern.)

In application to the topic, if a Rhinovirus structured exactly the same as one which carries a strain of common cold were to be the carrier of the zombifying disease and mutation were to occur, it would be very hard to find a vaccine, let alone a cure (not impossible, though, but it would prove quite difficult.) In addition to that difficulty, however, even if a cure were to be developed - what about administering it? It wouldn't prove to be easy to catch and cure a zombie (Yes, yes, Will Smith in I Am Legend seemed to do it, but that's another story). But what about the tens of thousands who could become infected? And then there's still the amount required...

But, hey, on the positive side - Who needs a chemical cure when a shotgun round to the head will do?

And, unlike a chemical cure, you don't need to catch, restrain and, presumably, inject. Simply, get a nice, close range, cock the shotgun, and press the trigger. Instant problem solving. XD

Brambleclaw · Jul 19, 2011

May i just add that the I am legend film was complete bullshit. 1. They wern't zombies they were vampires. 2. It didnt end with him saving the human race. He was actually the legend as the only human surviver in a world of half vampires who were supressing the vampiric virus with blood. 3. There was a very prominant character Ben cortman never mentioned in the film. 5. His wife was killed by the virus and he buried her in the mortuary, yet this part was never mentioned. 6. He didn't get caught in a trap. It was infact that his watch had stopped working . And it was actually much later than it seemed so he got home after daylight hours as the vampire awoke.

7. He never had a home lab and only started to read up on it half way into the story.

Richard mattherson was 100x better than the bullshit hollywood "Block buster" crew

But yeh many colds ^^

For a cure it could be adminstered via Darts or pellets.
Although even if a cure was discovered the person who awake as a Sponge. A potato and would be essentially dead in the brain and every other aspect apart from basic survival instincts. Also the only real cure would be in vaccine form. Since antio biotics dont work against viruses.

Vaccines dont work on the already infected. And the infection rate would be so high. Yeh you guessed it. By the time they come up with a vaccine we would all already be dead. Its only 38 days for the world to be globally zombified. With only a few survivours.

The_Silent · Jul 19, 2011

You can't also cure most zombie diseases by their very nature, because you can't cure brain damage, and when most of the brain locks down but the amygdalae brain part, the rest is bound to take heavy damage. (Brains don't like being turned off)

Dynamiczx · Jul 20, 2011

Ok,so...in conclusion a viral based zombie outbreak is impossible,but what a about a parasite based zombie outbreak?Like in resident evil 4?

MGCǂSpectre · Jul 20, 2011

Is res evil 4 any different zombification? Oh you mean like the head of Umbrella Corp who had some special powers and such. Wel then, survival would be poinltess as there is no way you would survive versus thinking creature.

Brambleclaw · Jul 20, 2011

Dynamiczx said:
Ok,so...in conclusion a viral based zombie outbreak is impossible,but what a about a parasite based zombie outbreak?Like in resident evil 4?

How the hell did you get to that conclusion. We just went through a length process of proving a viral infection was possible -.-

Definition of Parasite: An organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

A virus is a parasite -.-

WherewolfTherewolf · Jul 20, 2011

~Merged~

We really don't need to two topics about the same thing

Dynamiczx · Jul 20, 2011

Brambleclaw said:
How the hell did you get to that conclusion. We just went through a length process of proving a viral infection was possible -.-

Definition of Parasite: An organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

A virus is a parasite -.-

ooh wtf was in my head then? (>_<)'
ok so then,in conclusion,if a viral based zombie outbreak is possible,then a parasite based zombie outbreak is possible too right?

Brambleclaw · Jul 20, 2011

Parasite is the majority of pathogens
So yes

Jazztastic · Jul 20, 2011

WherewolfTherewolf said:
~Merged~

We really don't need to two topics about the same thing

The other thread had evolved into a debate about whether zombies were actually possible or not. I don't think a plan for fighting zombies and the debate whether zombies are possible are the same thing

Dynamiczx · Jul 20, 2011

Beef_Is_Back said:
The other thread had evolved into a debate about whether zombies were actually possible or not. I don't think a plan for fighting zombies and the debate whether zombies are possible are the same thing

depends...debating over the posibility of zombie outbreaks is like a zombie preparation,as we should think twice before taking a wrong action :grin:

Khaled · Jul 21, 2011

Lol it's funny how this kind of threads end up with people that argue if zombies exist or not.

Jazztastic · Jul 21, 2011

Khaled said:
Lol it's funny how this kind of threads end up with people that argue if zombies exist or not.

These kinds of threads wouldn't exist if zombies could be entirely disproven

TwistedImage · Jul 23, 2011

Beef_Is_Back said:
These kinds of threads wouldn't exist if zombies could be entirely disproven

It can.

A biological organism can't be living and dead at the same time.

Living dead is the definition of zombie.

As for parasites controlling a host, they already exist.

The second intermediate host, an ant (Formica fusca in the United States), uses the trail of snail slime as a source of moisture. The ant then swallows a cyst loaded with hundreds of juvenile lancet flukes. The parasites enter the gut and then drift through its body. Most of the cercariae encyst in the haemocoel of the ant and mature into metacercariae, but one moves to the sub-esophageal ganglion (a cluster of nerve cells underneath the esophagus). There, the fluke takes control of the ant's actions by manipulating these nerves.

Jazztastic · Jul 24, 2011

That is not the definition of zombie

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zombie

This is the definition of a zombie.

But still, I don't think merging these threads was a good idea.

Direfury · Jul 24, 2011

One, mind-altering virus leads to zombies.

Two, go to the nearest 'angry kid' school, or a really ghetto school or other such building. They usually have steel mesh in the windows to stop shattering, if not iron bars, aswell as thick or metal doors. They're not flimsy by any means, and schools always have a wide range of room sizes and other such resources, especially if they offer a cooking class at the least. These schools also have a section for the violently insane, inadmissable to a more appropriate facility, these areas have significantly more done to them, like bigger bricks and sturdier windows.

Those areas have parking lots, usually with well-fuelled vehicles. Need supplies? Got a license? Got a surviving student around? He'll probably be able to get you in and get you started to drive off.

Problems solved.

Hugget Sukker · Jul 24, 2011

Go nun.

Elite Slayer · Jul 24, 2011

Vermillion Edict said:
One, mind-altering virus leads to zombies.

Not necessarily in the traditional sense of the word. In the late nineteenth century, some biologists believed that dead bodies could be "reanimated" or brought back to life when an electric current was run through them. In essence, this is one of the origins of the word "zombie" (along with several others, such as African witchcraft in which it was believed a dead person's body could be brought back to life via voodoo or black magic, but all, more or less, have the same fundamental implication.) As mentioned before, in the traditional sense of the word, a zombie is simply a corpse brought back to life. Science-fiction, horror and other media have simply built upon this word to form the lumbering, rotting, brain- and flesh-eating monsters we think of today whenever we hear "zombie."
To back this statement up, consider the etymology of 'zombie'. The 'dull-minded' variant of the word, which we use to describe someone who's mentally slow or dim, only became used several decades later. (This use of the word can also refer to a 'philosophical' zombie, rather than a traditional or even a mental one.)

So, fundamentally, whether creating a true 'zombie' is possible without pathogenic or parasitic involvement or not remains debatable, but, given the science of life and death, is highly unlikely. It remains a mystery what truly is the life force in cells, despite the many different opinions scientists have about it, and thus to restore that life force is simply incomprehensible at this stage.

Anyways, I think we're straying off the main topic.

Marsal · Jul 24, 2011

I will laugh my ass off when a real zombie virus starts to make zombies and it will be completely different from the films' and books' description.

Dynamiczx · Jul 24, 2011

Marsal said:
I will laugh my ass off when a real zombie virus starts to make zombies and it will be completely different from the films' and books' description.

lol me too,i mean,just imagine twisted ugly abominations raising to kill humanity,and humanity rushes and grab guns and trying to shoot them in the head,but they would realize on their own skin that this has no effect

Direfury · Jul 24, 2011

Or their genitals are the weakspot.

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