WoW: The Battleground +AI [1.2]

[andreariona]

Yeah, considering those modes too on future release. It's a hero arena battleground focused for now.

 

[Zed]

The Holy Priest is a woman right? So why not change it to Holy Priestess?

 

[Vinz]

I guess it's because in WoW, Priests are Priests regardless of gender.

 

[HeliosC]

Great recreation of Mop expansion

 

[Lord_Marrowgrath]

Affliction Warlock is Night Elf. Change it 5/5

 

[HeliosC]

Honestly i kinda like as it is

 

[bhusta]

Review of WoW: The Battleground +AI [1.0.a]
Played one time with three players.
I played the Orc Shaman on the Alliance side.

First of all, I have to admit that we might played with not enough players.
So, the experience we had might be very different in a full house game.

The first thing one can see while playing this map is that you have a
talent for converting all these materials so that they look good but
still have a low file size.
At this point I also have to state my first critique point.
If you have so much file size left, why do you have to add such an ear
raping cripple music file? But that's a minor problem. Starting with the
real points.

1.) Weird Gamestart
Why don't heroes start at their bases, which is marked on the minimap.
The first spawn of heroes at the same point is just confusing.
And I think it is not good because players who are new to the game or
players who pick a low health hero can be killed easily and this could
may be abused by players who know the game already.

2.) My Hero
As I said above, I played an Orc Shaman on the Alliance side. I don't know
if that was intended. I must say. It is one of the most boring skill set
I have ever seen in an arena map. Standard casting spells which are well
triggered, which scale with attributes and are spiced with a channel system
but also are nothing more then simple damage or heal on target effects.
This is just boring. Where are the fun World of Warcraft abilities?

For shamans, you could have used this: http://www.wowhead.com/spell=51490/thunderstorm
In general you should add movement spells as jumps/shifts/charges/teleports.
Also some of the existing skillshots could be transformed into skillshots,
which are much more rewarding if hit correctly. I know you want to transform
the WoW battleground style into Warcraft 3 and you are quite successful with that
but I wish you put a little bit more diversity into it.

3.) Texttag Apocalypse
I see you are really a master of texttag abuse. Do you know they are limited to
100 Textags shown at the same time?
You should focus on showing textags only if they are needed and necessary for the player.
The descriptions for shops should pop up if a shop is selected.
The damage and abilities should only be shown for the local player and by that I mean
only the damage made by your hero and the damage taken by your hero.
Anything else makes the fights just messy and we played with only half of the players
possible.
Also one can see the texttags from enemy units in fog of war.

4.) Item/Shopping/Upgrading System
This is something I really like about your map. It is easy to understand. Not too
complicated with recipe system which many map makers still like to implement.
And the shops which are spread over the whole battleground are POIs which force players to
collide with the enemy.

5.) Finding the enemy
This is the main problem of your map. After the clash at the beginning of the game, there
wasn't any big fight for us. You really have to implement some kind of enemy detection.
Maybe you could ping the position of all players periodically or what I would like to see
are captur able control points which are increasing the field of view drastically.
You could also add rune spots with movement speed bonuses. The game would benefit from it
a lot. For example having another POI and improving the slow motion movement speed
which heroes have in your map.
And WoW also have battlegrounds with movement speed bonus runes.

6.) Multiboard
The multiboard contains good information but it is just unreadable wit so many colors.
It would be good to have at least one paragraph between horde and alliance side.
As funny as it is, the bot names are distracting. You can leave them as they are which is
not a big deal, but something like "Bot 1" would not hurt either.


7.) Miscellaneous Stuff
The selection circle is not converted properly, one can not see it clearly but the border of
the texture is not fully transparent which creates ugly lines around the units.

The home healing fountains should not heal enemy units, that makes the whole home base thing
weird.

All in all you have much of wasted potential and the gameplay is in its current state boring.
You have a perfect base andrea. You only have to make a fun gameplay now!

I would like to see a 12vs12 mode, where one can play against 12 AI players.

Rock on!

 

[andreariona]

Hello! Thanks for a nice, detailed feedback with some interesting points to consider. Although, I honestly not fond with the rate 2 you gave there as if this were a random unorganized stuff done in a week.

@others: thanks for checking it out!

 

[bhusta]

Hello! Thanks for a nice, detailed feedback with some interesting points to consider. Although, I honestly not fond with the rate 2 you gave there as if this were a random unorganized stuff done in a week.

Yes, my rating seems to be a little bit harsh. I have to agree on that, but I'll improve my rating if changes are made.
Also most of them are subjektiv opinions under the circumstances stated in the first three lines.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Map approved using this short review below

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Moderator: StoPCampinGn00b version 1.0.a WoW: The Battleground +AI by Andreariona RATINGS Scores Explanation Gameplay: 23/30 Terrain & Scenery: 20/20 Total Score: 43/50 5 Stars: 47+ 4 Stars: 40-47 3 Stars: 25-39 2 Stars: 10-24 1 Stars: 1-9 CRITIQUE Gameplay: This is a WoW gameplay based arena. Classes are based off of WoW classes, as are the abilities. I do agree with Bhusta in parts of his review. The start and the spawns would be a lot less annoying if they were on opposite sides of the map. Though visually pleasing, the abilities don't have enough creativity in them. I do like their usefulness and their correspondence to the hero class, but most of them are very basic. The movement speed of the map is perfect, but I do feel AI should help team mates more than wander on their own to pick a 1v1 fight. As for the balance, I didn't have any issues when playing it twice. To my conclusion, the gameplay of the map is well above average, medium paced, and entertaining if you love strategic team arenas. 23/30 ​ Terrain & Aesthetics I can't speak highly enough about the terrain. Custom tile usage blends very well, doodad placement is on point! Structural, environmental, bunched up, spread out, you name it, the doodad placement is aesthetically fun to look at and is very detailed. It's not just 20 of the same doodads placed across the pathways, there is a huge variety. Height leveling was present and done carefully. Great use of high quality custom icons and models. WoW recources easily fit in to the map. The whole map looks like I'm playing in an HD version of Warcraft III. Amazing! 20/20​ VERDICT The only way a map can be approved is if it follows the map submission rules that apply to the map type. - All rules followed, map approved! - For those of you wondering about the imported materials rule, recourses from other Blizzard games are allowed. ​ NOTES Overall, I feel that you did a great job with this map despite the minor gameplay faults. I also would love to see a 6v6 mode. Feel free to contact me about this review on this map page OR message me about anything. (+2) reputation points for taking your time to upload this map to Hive.

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[andreariona]

Yes, my rating seems to be a little bit harsh. I have to agree on that, but I'll improve my rating if changes are made.
Also most of them are subjektiv opinions under the circumstances stated in the first three lines.

Well I have no issue with your opinions, I was questioning the rate because I didn't see anywhere my works deserve rate 2 even on this current state, as if this were a below average works for a warcraft III map that is. Not to mention this is a total conversion materials project with the size below 5 mb. Do you think it's EASY and could be done in instant to obtain this size with WoW conversion materials? (while normally some people blab it's not possible making map with WoW stuff below 8mb, and here I am prove them wrong.)

Map approved using this short review below

Hello, thanks for the approval. I do not have plan to improve the AI, they're already enough to entertain people to play the whole game - better than without AI at all. AI can't replace human.

 

[bhusta]

I personally don't judge visuals. I mentioned that you have my full respect for the arrangement of imports. But without the imports, the game would still be the same.

 

[andreariona]

I personally don't judge visuals. I mentioned that you have my full respect for the arrangement of imports. But without the imports, the game would still be the same.

I'm a visual person, not a coder in the first place. Thank you for leaving rate 2.

 

[Shadow Fury]

bhusta, sincerely I don't think at all that this map can get 2/5
Your review is much based on personal opinion while you ignore the great points in this map. The colourful texts were the fantastic touch to the map for example. I agree that the map has some issues but not so many to get less than 3/5

 

[LordOfThePings]

I played through this map for a bit and liked some aspects of it, so I might as well leave some thoughts/suggestions here:

- Great aesthetics, it really fits well together.
- Spells could use some more differentiation (not the mathematical one !), toolkits could use some fleshing out. E.g. some kind of evocation (it's basically a mana potion with a cast time; it'll be easy to implement) or bandage spell to restore health/mana out of combat. The cast time will make it risky/hard to use in combat, so that's dealt with.
- It's possible to camp the opposing team's spawn point and quickly get in a lot of kills. It's somewhat risky but I'd rather see it get shut down (e.g. by placing an invincible tower there).
- Creeps could be more tiered and concentrated in certain areas. The points of interest would be: Merchants (already there), boss locations (they are there, just missing the bosses), elite creep camps (more ingots and gold, yes please).
- Honor seems somewhat plentiful. Maybe it's just the other players / AI feeding me.
- AI doesn't play healers (holy priest/paladin) well.

That's it for now. It's a nice map (I wouldn't bother typing this if it wasn't), but there are improvements to be made (also, what others have suggested).

 

[Hexed]

Wow stunning visuals! O.O great! gameplay can still be improved but still great.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

I personally don't judge visuals. I mentioned that you have my full respect for the arrangement of imports. But without the imports, the game would still be the same.

Ratings should be based on the entirety of the map. What you did is list a few things you didn't like and a few defects. The map would not be the same without custom models and the stunning visuals. Without them, this would look extremely dull and unpleasing to the eye. With the fantastic visuals present in this map, players will have something to look at with awe. The hive rules even state that terrain must not be lacking.

 

[jonbon29]

Yes I agree with them, the terrains visuality is seriously too epicness in beautiful not to be judge by bhusta and even the moderators rate it and like it as well. I myself like it too this could improve some more,you should put some more grass or any doodads on the dirt thou. The spells are amazing too.

 

[andreariona]

Thank you for the compliments guys. Sorry no hotfixes yet, been so busy.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

The game play is boring and pointless
The graphics are good but get in the way of the view and hamper the player.
The abilities are... well since you got them from WOW, it's not really you fault but clicking them feels like your doing nothing.

I just wish there were a whole bunch more options.

Game modes and so on.

I really don't see any point in the game, it's... really boring.

 

[andreariona]

I really don't see any point in the game, it's... really boring.

Simple, if you don't like it then don't bother to play because I don't care.

 

[luis93]

awesome job! thanks for the map, you're the only person I know capable making WoW conversion map with the size this small, I hope to see more of your WoW maps in the future.

 

[luis93]

i have few suggestions:

1. make each team start in different starting point
2. player shouldn't be able to recover from a fountain on enemy base
3. add boss
4. add some events

all of the heroes abilities are balanced and well designed for me, keep up the good work!

 

[Blakwing]

This map has many potential, just don't abandon this.

 

[andreariona]

I might able to release a new version this month, currently waiting for my laptop to get fixed.

Also need a coder to implying the ideas on my head since coding isn't my area of expertise.

 

[Blakwing]

Good to heard that. Good luck.

 

[andreariona]

Thanks, really appreciate it.

 

[Arad MNK]

Absolute Awsomeness.
Although The Fire mage is a Little bit Unbalanced, but it is Still Amazing.
I Vote For 5/5

 

[andreariona]

Sorry for the long wait, updated with main necessary changes that mentioned before.

 

[jonbon29]

Nice update andreariona, it seems much more balanced now.

 

[stan0033]

How do you fit all this beauty in 4 MB? This map is great, I always wante to play WoW maps for WC3.

 

[andreariona]

Hey, thanks.

How do you fit all this beauty in 4 MB?

Polycount reduction and stuff, made a short tuts of how to do it months ago.

 

[stan0033]

Elizabeth Van Talen? Someone listens to Van Halen

 

[Marshmalo]

Well I saw the epic terrain and wanted to play this, I only saw 1.1 on MMH so hosted that but i think its buged. We coudlnt do anything, game was all black for 1 minutes then we could see but not move our heroes, all we could do was watch the AI. Everyone left so I never got to try it.

You should really make this available on MMH.

Anyway really impressed with the way the map looks, amazing you managed to get all this under 5 mb.

 

[andreariona]

Thanks for the compliments. I think low size efficiency is what I love from making stuff in wc3 than dota2 map or other engine, therefore I'd prefer to keep it as small as I could without a broken visual quality.

We coudlnt do anything, game was all black for 1 minutes then we could see but not move our heroes

I assume there isn't any human in Player 1 slot? It's an essential slot to set the modes and stuff (well I even wrote a message notice for it once the game start), when that slot is empty the whole screen will be forever black.

 

[Marshmalo]

Thanks for the compliments. I think low size efficiency is what I love from making stuff in wc3 than dota2 map or other engine, therefore I'd prefer to keep it as small as I could without a broken visual quality.


I assume there isn't any human in Player 1 slot? It's an essential slot to set the modes and stuff (well I even wrote a message notice for it once the game start), when that slot is empty the whole screen will be forever black.

Oh damn, i didnt know that, i moved down to team 2 even though I was host to make sure there was even number of player son each team. Maybe you could make it so the game auto detects if player 1 is empty and if it is just runs on auto mode?

It would be a shame for people not to play the map and think its bugged when it looks so good! Anyway I will give this another go now I know.

 

[deepstrasz]

-the Death Knight is too powerful especially compared to the warrior. The AIs have their base attribute as much as their chosen per level attribute
-Team Alliance calculates the kills for both teams
-Tome of Strength should be named Tome of Power. The other tomes should have their names matched to the attributes too

Visually, the map is splendid.

 

[TotallynotYoda]

It is a little too unbalanced on certain classes. Otherwise interesting map!

 

[Zordrak]

Is this map protected?

 

[P3in]

Is there any chance that anyone has any of the models he used in this map?

 

[Lich134]

waiting for update love your maps +rep

 

[GoddessSylvanas]

Awesome!