Will you mod Starcraft II?

[PurplePoot]

Yes, these are late replies, but I felt some of this stuff should be said -

According to what i read from the blizzard Q And A sheet, the GUI will be able to do everything jass can do.

That's 100% impossible for the simple reason that

• Much of the stuff the script can do would not be provided in a simplification because it isn't simple
• A GUI cannot by definition be as powerful as a script behind it

I've never heard about 3D arrays before, It must be rare.

You can make arrays as big as you want (to my experience anyways) in languages that allow multidimensional arrays.

For example, in Java;

int[][][][] iarr = new int[5][6][4][7];

I actually have heard bout it, but as far as I remember, they weren't quite useful since 10x10x10 variable would fill the stack.

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[redmarine]

EVEN MORE FEATURES TO COME! BATCH 42 FTW!
StarCraft II General Discussion -

 

[PurplePoot]

Eh, there's not much great info in there, the third resource is kind've useless for most cases.

 

[Asomath]

Hmm, custom 3D cinematics might be interesting to see

~Asomath

 

[redmarine]

Better than nothing.

 

[Hakeem]

Much of the stuff the script can do would not be provided in a simplification because it isn't simple

If the GUI is truly able to do all the script can do, then is it still a simplification? To me a GUI is more a list than anything else.

A GUI cannot by definition be as powerful as a script behind it

GUI stands for Graphical User Interface. I see no part in the definition that prevents it from being as powerful as its script. Also, I must ask for a sample of code a GUI cannot generate.

 

[redmarine]

If the GUI is truly able to do all the script can do, then is it still a simplification? To me a GUI is more a list than anything else.

GUI stands for Graphical User Interface. I see no part in the definition that prevents it from being as powerful as its script. Also, I must ask for a sample of code a GUI cannot generate.

I have to agree you on that one. There is no script a GUI can't generate but Jass can write it more efficient(depending on the code).

 

[Serbianbeast]

I for example prefer GUI over JASS, and as long as there's something that really can't be done without JASS, I see no strong reason not to use it. The only thing I need JASS for is RemoveLocation and stuff like that. Speaking of that, I hope blizz will fix lag/memory leak problems within the map compiler

 

[redmarine]

I for example prefer GUI over JASS, and as long as there's something that really can't be done without JASS, I see no strong reason not to use it. The only thing I need JASS for is RemoveLocation and stuff like that. Speaking of that, I hope blizz will fix lag/memory leak problems within the map compiler

As far as I know it isn't a problem with the compiler. The Editor got no idea if the leak is meant to be there or not.

 

[Eleandor]

What you "could" add to a compiler is some subroutine that checks if for each location variable there's a RemoveLocation call somewhere. That still wouldn't fix all leaks, far from. Besides, it's not really the editor's task. If you don't want leaks, you'll simply have to use your brain.

jass also has a few things you can't "make" in pure GUI: attachment systems such as LocalHandleVars by KaTTaNa. Local variables are also not supported. But everything else can be done in GUI.

 

[Hakeem]

I believe we are speaking about the GUI for Stracraft II, because there is no argument that the World Editor's GUI can not do everything JASS can do.

 

[Eleandor]

I believe I was replying to serbianbeast.

 

[Serbianbeast]

Maybe, but they could figure out how to at least reduce memory usage by, say, replacing multiplying and dividing with 2^X with shifting bits, since that's way easier for computer to process, and things like that. That would be cool, to make editor better in every way, not just adding new commands to GUI or stuff like that.

 

[PurplePoot]

Why not just not lag it up adding a garbage collector which isn't needed, and screws over people who code properly anyways? -.-

GUI stands for Graphical User Interface. I see no part in the definition that prevents it from being as powerful as its script. Also, I must ask for a sample of code a GUI cannot generate.

How would you, for example, have the GUI easily support complete custom function handling, and, for example, OOP?

Basically, my point is that by the time you get the GUI to do all that the script can do, it's just the script with more clicking and less typing, making it slower and not simpler, thus defeating the purpose.

What I was getting at is that GUIs were not simpler, they would be useless.

 

[Hakeem]

How would you, for example, have the GUI easily support complete custom function handling,

The functions would themselves be in GUI.

and, for example, OOP?

What are you referring to that would be hard?

Basically, my point is that by the time you get the GUI to do all that the script can do, it's just the script with more clicking and less typing, making it slower and not simpler, thus defeating the purpose.

What I was getting at is that GUIs were not simpler, they would be useless.

A complete list, with documentation.

Also, you could make the GUI filled with shortcut keys, making it easier to navigate, such as you would be able to do with a plain text editor.

 

[PurplePoot]

Hakeem, for the custom function and OOP examples I meant the entire structure as being completely dynamic, etc, being a little over the top for the GUI "style".

As for the complete list with documentation, Jass has pretty good community documentation, and a readily available complete function list with tools like JassCraft, thus I doubt StarCraft II's language will be much difference.

It just strikes me as being "code with pretty pictures" which makes it harder to read, if it ends up going as complex as possible.

You'd have to have memorized all the coding rules in such a case to be able to effectively use the GUI anyways, so again, as I said, I don't see how it could possibly be useful as such.

 

[Don Corleone]

i dunno if im goi8ng to buy it :/

 

[LordDz]

You don't need to know, just do it

 

[Hakeem]

Hakeem, for the custom function and OOP examples I meant the entire structure as being completely dynamic, etc, being a little over the top for the GUI "style".

Graphical User Interface. By definition, it seems it would be about 1000 times more useful than plain text. Ever heard "A picture is worth a thousand words."?
Nothing is out of range for a GUI, since text is a graphic as well.

It just strikes me as being "code with pretty pictures" which makes it harder to read, if it ends up going as complex as possible.

Who says there must be pictures?

You'd have to have memorized all the coding rules in such a case to be able to effectively use the GUI

Please elaborate on this point.

I don't see how it could possibly be useful as such.

Ever used DOS?
Well a lot of people don't want to learn all the DOS commands, or don't want to type so much, which is where GUI comes in.

 

[Serbianbeast]

The only thing that keeps running through my mind when I'm thinking about sc2 is bloody dx10 graphical engine :S
I know I can't afford genuine windows vista, and as far as I know dx10 can't work on xp and there are no cracked versions of wv

 

[redmarine]

The only thing that keeps running through my mind when I'm thinking about sc2 is bloody dx10 graphical engine :S
I know I can't afford genuine windows vista, and as far as I know dx10 can't work on xp and there are no cracked versions of wv

Well the game will work on XP as said in the Q&A...
StarCraft II
Though it'll support DirectX10!

 

[Serbianbeast]

Woah, I've been as blind as a bat not to see that, tnx man!

but... hey... how's that even possible, how can a dx10 game run on xp?

 

[redmarine]

Woah, I've been as blind as a bat not to see that, tnx man!

but... hey... how's that even possible, how can a dx10 game run on xp?

Read some of the Q&A and you'll see that they've written that they'll support XP so they have to support DirectX9 as well.
http://eu.starcraft2.com/faq.xml

 

[Serbianbeast]

I get it now. And wow, they included havok physics engine, which I got like two weeks ago, and it's very good I must say.

 

[PurplePoot]

Hakeem, I'm basically saying that your ideas would turn the GUI into a clickable version of the script, which would make it not simpler so much as just a preference change (though inevitably far slower to use), while the real point of the GUI (as far as I've ever seen) for Warcraft III (and it is most likely likely to continue as such) is to be a simplified form of the script, which this would not be.

 

[Misha]

I'll do skins, as always ^_^

 

[HappyTauren]

I'll do skins, as always ^_^

You will have to be a professional to make textures suitable for starcraft II.

 

[Hawkwing]

As predicted Starcraft 2 will require an above average skill in Modeling or Texturing if you wish to do so for that game.

 

[HappyTauren]

Modeling is easy, as long as you can scratch-model you'll do the job. It is just it requires more detail. Texturing, however, is completely different, cause you have to apply different techniques, go for realism, an so on. Not only that, you also need to make other sorts of maps, such as specular, normal, opacity map, and it all requires both texturing and modeling knowledge.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

I am going to mod that game so hard itl be sore for a week!! can probably do so much crap with robots and zerg nightmarish creatures and Super golden protoss OMG
!!!SPLORKCHT!!!.... corry my head exploded from SC2's sheer awesomeness

 

[bjpogi210]

Yep! I'll mod it...
And make an AoS map of SC2...
SotA...
Stars of the Aliens...
Wahahaha!!!

 

[Ricardo Irving]

At the first few months of knowing it existed, I thought that ORPG's wouldn't be so good, FPS wouldn't - it'd be PIXELATED bull-shit. However, these new videos show that the action is close up like W3. *Phew*.

 

[redmarine]

At the first few months of knowing it existed, I thought that ORPG's wouldn't be so good, FPS wouldn't - it'd be PIXELATED bull-shit. However, these new videos show that the action is close up like W3. *Phew*.

FPS games will probably rock in StarCraft II because of the new Scum Editor.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Buy: yes
Mod: of course! why not?

 

[Tleno]

SC2 world edit will be even better than WC3 world edit, so I gonna mod it...

Only... what if someone will make Dota for SC2? :/

 

[redmarine]

SC2 world edit will be even better than WC3 world edit, so I gonna mod it...

Only... what if someone will make Dota for SC2? :/

Modders will still do what they've always done and be proud of it.

 

[DoOs_101]

No... wc3 is already dying. About majorly any new map you make now will not be played, because there are only a few out there playing wc3 on bnet, and those few play DotA or maps that they've known long time ago.

Its going to decrease slowly, and slowly, until soon the only reason why ppl play wc3 is because of dota.

That is why I'm definitely moving to sc2, alot of opportunities and I hope Hiveworkshop is already planning to make a sc2 community and portal.

 

[Kwah]

Wc3 ain't dead yet! It's modding community will pretty much die once we hit Sc2 though, but old maps will still exist.

 

[redmarine]

Wc3 ain't dead yet! It's modding community will pretty much die once we hit Sc2 though, but old maps will still exist.

Which is why the mods on this site are working on a SC2 section.

 

[Just_Spectating]

SC2 is going to need some good modelers!

i can't model, but i do encourage everyone else to

 

[bboy-tiger-]

There will be probbly DotA for SC2 coz clizzard posters said that they will implant 10-12 players, for people to be able to make maps like tower defenses, DotA, etc.

You could import all things inside, coz probbly size will be larger than 4mb, I hope.
And there will be lots of new things like mixing tilesets for example, what we didn't get chance to see here.

I will mod it for sure. And then probbly some part of wc3 will die. Not whole probbly, but part. Coz i think this game is alive mostly because of editor. So they see that a smart choice for them to support that kind of stuff.

 

[Word Bearer]

Oh yeah I will be looking forward to this...except the DotA.

 

[DoOs_101]

Nah, DotA won't work in Sc2 because there is no hero with leveling system. Unless you wan't to make a classic AoS map but that will be too boring .

I'm thinking in Sc2 there will be new maps with advance gameplays and techniques due to a better world editor. In fact I believe there will be plenty of FpS maps in sc2.

 

[Tleno]

I readed Blizzard FAQ about SC2 World Edit, and they said that Hero system will be more advanced and will have even more customisation than WC3 Heros. Looks like Blizzard understood that people love playing moded maps...

 

[redmarine]

Nah, DotA won't work in Sc2 because there is no hero with leveling system. Unless you wan't to make a classic AoS map but that will be too boring .

I'm thinking in Sc2 there will be new maps with advance gameplays and techniques due to a better world editor. In fact I believe there will be plenty of FpS maps in sc2.

You sir should read some SC2 Q&A from Blizzard or just look at what this guy has to say.

I readed Blizzard FAQ about SC2 World Edit, and they said that Hero system will be more advanced and will have even more customisation than WC3 Heros. Looks like Blizzard understood that people love playing moded maps...

 

[Tleno]

6. How does "Hero" support differ from the Warcraft III Editor? Or is it practically identical?
We’ve been working hard to create a hero system that is even more flexible than WarCraft III’s. For example, map makers will have the ability to define any number of custom attributes that modify a hero based on its level

see?

 

[DoOs_101]

You sir should read some SC2 Q&A from Blizzard or just look at what this guy has to say.

F U * *, that means dota is going to reign for another 10 years...

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Good!
I always enjoy good quality AoS like DotA!

 

[DoOs_101]

Good!
I always enjoy good quality AoS like DotA!

I enjoy it too, but its not good if there's another monopoly in mapmaking.

 

[Mechmap]

I enjoy it too, but its not good if there's another monopoly in mapmaking.

If you dont wan't monopoly, make a better map.