Why so much dota hatred?

[Rui]

Whitehorn, learn to see when you are counting with your own opinion or not. If I say DotA didn't ruin Wc3, it's obvious I won't count with it. Ok?

And don't attempt to start flaming wars with me, it just doesn't work.

Besides, I do not want to see this topic trashed because of flaming and trolling. So, back on the topic.

 

[Tide-Arc Ephemera]

i think the main reasons that alot of people dislike DotA is

A. It is massively overplayed, 2 out of 3 maps hosted will be DotA

on USWest I counted around 4/5... I just don't like how it drowns out all the other games...

 

[GST_Nemisis]

yeh i would say the number 1 reason is the massive over crowding. whether you like DotA or not, it definately monopolises the custom maps and i think that is a problem; any map which has such an effect is a problem.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I just played DOtA.

People kept l33ting and insulting.
And I picked random, because new players have no freaking idea which hero is good.

Guess what I got?
A tinted naga myrmidon, with abilities such as a crappy move speed boost, boring thunder clap ability, something that lowered enemy armor and an ultimate which gave me 15% more damage. Boring and terribly weak. I got owned all the time and barely lived 5 seconds.

This is only one of the 80 heroes who were rushed and look like crap, and play like crap. No thoughts behind it at all, its just one more hero for the sake of having one more hero in the map.

DotA is bad map. You'd think with all the fame Icefrog gets, he'd put more effort into it. But all he does is slight updates and so called balancing (on non-rushed heroes only) and he adds even more crappy rushed heroes, who probably have the same abilities as the other one.

 

[DarkDenizen]

Imo, Blizzard should put a DotA filter in the next patch, that makes it so DotA won't show up on the custom screen unless you want it to. If people can easily ignore DotA, it would make it less intimidating for mappers, easier to find the good games on bnet, and generally less irritating for everyone.

 

[noctune]

Imo, Blizzard should put a DotA filter in the next patch, that makes it so DotA won't show up on the custom screen unless you want it to. If people can easily ignore DotA, it would make it less intimidating for mappers, easier to find the good games on bnet, and generally less irritating for everyone.

Unfortunately, that's never gonna happen. Maybe there will be somthing like that on SC2, maybe.

 

[Dil999]

Im hoping SC2 has a better map filter. Maybe something which allows you to enter phrases and search for games which contain those phrases, etc.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

yeh similar to the one used with steam

 

[Arab4life]

As most people mentioned, Dota is just a normal AoS game, just like any other, Nice terrain, nice heros and spells and diversity.

Thats why it sucks.

Wtf?

Ya, its because its just like ANY other AoS, its good, but there are LOTS that are better. and there are LOTs of maps that are BETTEr then Dota which arent AoS.

Its over-hyped for no reason. And its annoying, you go into a game, and find these Fat geeky nerds acting gangster and Cackling at you cause they know how to play a game better than you.

And people find Noob offensive in that game.

Oh, im sorry i have a life and dont play this game 24/7...

Idiots..

 

[Teh_Ephy]

What I love about DotA is how many idiots/bad stereotypes it attracts .

There's some guy in the Lordaeron clan Land of Legends Prodigies that freaking had never played Land of Legends. He was in the clan because he had a friend in it. I either hosted or was friends with the host, but I was in his first game of LoL ever. I was on the other team, thank God, I was barely able to stand the idiocy he put out over All chat. I doubt I'd be able to stand the idiocy he'd put out over Allies.

Anyways, Land of Legends is cosmetically identical to DotA, and is also an AoS. That's where the differences stop. All of the heroes are unique, and serve individual purposes; it's not about item whoring, it's basically buy what you can afford until you've had a couple games under your belt to be able to be picky; more on the last one, there are strategies and counter strategies present, not just OMGX0RX 5V1 GANK; the player base isn't full of jackassery, faggotry and douchebaggery on levels so high that vomiting is almost mandatory.

Back on track with the story, the first thing he said was something along the lines of "well i'm good at dota i'll be good at this". The second, and third, fourth... (until maybe like 15th?) was him basically spamming "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE BOOTS OF SPEED". He had been told where they were, he had been told to ask one of his teammates who had the item, and he just kept spamming that to All. It wasn't even like we could have done much more than tell him "It's in <such and such building>", we were on the other team.

When he started losing badly he started saying things like "this is fucking retarded, i could own you at dota" (my answers to these, and the first thing he said were, I believe exactly: "LoL != DotA", "Once again, LoL != DotA, shut the fuck up DotA n00b", "You're nub at LoL, we're nub at DotA. Shut the fuck up now"). The icing on the cake? a friend who was in that game managed to beat him 1v1 in DotA. DotA n00b loses for great justice. AYBABTU.

The moral of the story? That flaming imbecile was the posterboy for DotA n00bs (please don't get confused when I say "nub" or "n00b", if it has the zeroes (and as such is 1337) it means "useless fuck", otherwise it means new player) and is basically the #1 reason that DotA is hated. Idiots like him. Not to mention the whole "boot at 99" jackassery. Those idiots already waited for DLer to get to 99, as in out of 100, is it that hard for them to not be a douche and let him finish DL? Not to mention the second time I played DotA:AS, I'd managed to surmise that it was entirely about item whoring. Ignoring the fact that I catch on slightly faster than the average bear, that's a horrible record for DotA already.

Shall I go on?

• It's the only thing ever hosted, and every now and again when I'm hosting something, some ass fuck comes in asking if I can host DotA for him (that begets an instant boot).
• #1 complaint I saw in the old thread about this, was that the terrain sucked.
• Tied for #1 complaint in the old thread is the total lack of balance.
• Lack of balance (yes, I know this is the second time I've put that. No, I don't care that both sides have identical mobs) DotA's balance ar teh suck
• I can name three AoSs right now that are better than DotA (not including LoL, because I'm in clan LoLP, and that would be advertising, advertising is bad). Would you like them?
  • Tides of Blood
  • Advent of the Zenith
  • A Song of Blood and Smoke
  • Hands of Sorrow Knight
  • Enmity Campaign
  • Water War - Submerged
  Oops, that's slightly more than three. Oh well, since I already lied, I might as well throw in Land of Legends VE, SE/LoE. That's eight, because the differences between Land of Legends VE and Land of Legends SE/Legends of Eternity are pretty damn big.
• Do I even need more? I could pull from the previous paragraph if you want more. GGDOTALOSES

DotA would be bearable if all of those that could be amended were. They have not been, and do not seem likely to be. I'm sure I've hit most of the reasons people here dislike/hate DotA, please let me know if I've missed any.

Edit: Hah, I already missed some.

• DotA doesn't deserve even an eighth of the hype it gets.
• Very new-player unfriendly. All you 133754uc3 pros used to be new, I don't care how long ago DotA stole your decency and soul.
• "ZOMG j00 4R3 N07 1337, GTFO". What's ironic is that the "z" most people use is the result of missing the shift key and hitting z instead, clearly the work of someone that is totally not 1337. Or maybe a little too 1337, because "teh" is mostly considered 1337. Either way, way to go morons!

 

[DarkDenizen]

Very nice, Ephy. We should get a SWAT team to round up all DotA lovers and force them to read this over an over again.

 

[Redeemer59]

Teh_Ephy crits Dota_Noobs for 999,999,999,999.
Dota_Noobs die.
Teh_Ephy loots: [Interwebs]x3

 

[Shadow_Fox]

Very nice, Ephy. We should get a SWAT team to round up all DotA lovers and force them to read this over an over again.

Then, we would have to listen to them spam things like "LOL NOOB UR BANLISTED I PWN U IN DOTAERS WITH MY LEET HERO ILL BEAT U 1V1 ANY DAY!!ONEONE!! YA NEWB, BAN'D".

 

[dofys]

I found this topic when I got on the forum. So, I had a little fun of spamming on some channels about how much Dota sucks. As you can see below, I spam in some channel.




As you can see here, Dota just sucks....Seriously. Its like that T-virus from Resident Evil which spread and infects those people (players).

 

[noctune]

People are starting to use this topic to release the tension built-up from playing on bnet.

Anyway, what sucks most on dota and has already been mentioned a thousand times is the communnity. Considering that the majority of bnet players are stupid, even if we were in a world without dota there'd be other map as famous as it and everyone would call it shit just like they do with dota.

I even dare saying that almost everyone that complains about dota had his/her vision corrupted by dota's awful communnity.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I think you got those links wrong... Anyways it's not that DotA sucks hard so much as it sucks a little, but it's effectively the only thing you can find, compounding the suck a good thousandfold.

Teh_Ephy crits Dota_Noobs for 999,999,999,999.
Dota_Noobs die.
Teh_Ephy loots: [Interwebs]x3

DotA_n00bs die for great justice. And sweet, I got 3 intarwebz out of it!

 

[Redeemer59]

I think you got those links wrong... Anyways it's not that DotA sucks hard so much as it sucks a little, but it's effectively the only thing you can find, compounding the suck a good thousandfold.

That is the absolute truth. It's so friggin' annoying to see the following game lineup:

Dota -arem BANLIST
DOTA!!!!!!!!!!
dota us blist -ap
dota -apem
dota -apem!! join!!
MAZE OF PORN!!!!
DOTA NO FOOKIN NOOBS
Dota -aremom Brazil
Dota -arem gogogo
Battleships Domination NONUBS
Defiance ORPG Ice+Oger runs
dota plz join
dota no womens
DotA UNDEFEATED!!!
Tired of Gay Old Dota? Try ENFOS!

Etc...

 

[GST_Nemisis]

MAZE OF PORN!!!! sounds alright.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Don't forget DOTA SG HOST BANLIST
A) The word is blacklist, B) wtf is SG supposed to be? As much as I claim to be an idiot born and raised on the internet, srsly, wtf?
Not to mention they have so many commands... The only ones I know are -ar (all random) and -ap (all pick). Oh, and -wtf, which is infinite mana and 0 cooldown. -wtf is easily the best thing to ever come out of DotA:AS. With the possible exception of the term "DotA n00b".

@dofys: I liked the old links better >_>

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

Don't forget DOTA SG HOST BANLIST
A) The word is blacklist, B) wtf is SG supposed to be? As much as I claim to be an idiot born and raised on the internet, srsly, wtf?
Not to mention they have so many commands... The only ones I know are -ar (all random) and -ap (all pick). Oh, and -wtf, which is infinite mana and 0 cooldown. -wtf is easily the best thing to ever come out of DotA:AS. With the possible exception of the term "DotA n00b".

@dofys: I liked the old links better >_>

Blacklist? Im afraid you dont you the internet well enough, banlist is program they use, and EVERYONE online calls in banlist, not just dota people.

Allmost everyone even people on the internet know -apem by now, it mean All Pick Easy Mode. Most people know -Arem too, witch is All Random Easy Mode. I NEVER EVER play dota, and I know all this. The ones I dont know are listed here, witch I fond by google search.

It's the only thing ever hosted, and every now and again when I'm hosting something, some ass fuck comes in asking if I can host DotA for him (that begets an instant boot).

Wrong, other things are hosted. Every picture here shows that there are other games being hosted. Just becaus there is more dota being hosted than anything else, dosn't mean all other games dont exisit.

#1 complaint I saw in the old thread about this, was that the terrain sucked.

So waht if it dose, ALL games people like have terrible terrian. Its not anything bad with dota, as a matter of fact, dota has BETTER terrain, witch is saying something.

Tied for #1 complaint in the old thread is the total lack of balance.

I agree dota is imbalaced, but NO MAP IN THE HOLE WORLD IS PERFECTLY BALACED!! Again, dota even dose a better job at it then 85% of other maps.

Lack of balance (yes, I know this is the second time I've put that. No, I don't care that both sides have identical mobs) DotA's balance ar teh suck

Same as above.
I can name three AoSs right now that are better than DotA (not including LoL, because I'm in clan LoLP, and that would be advertising, advertising is bad). Would you like them?
Tides of Blood
Advent of the Zenith
A Song of Blood and Smoke
Hands of Sorrow Knight
Enmity Campaign
Water War - Submerged
Oops, that's slightly more than three. Oh well, since I already lied, I might as well throw in Land of Legends VE, SE/LoE. That's eight, because the differences between Land of Legends VE and Land of Legends SE/Legends of Eternity are pretty damn big.

THAT is ALL a matter of opinion, the ECACT same things youre saying to dota could be said to all those maps. Thats only YOURE opinion.

Do I even need more? I could pull from the previous paragraph if you want more. GGDOTALOSES

Like ALL of youre's, this one MAJORLY lacks proof. Thats youre opinion, I respect that and its fine. All im saying to you could be said to me.

DotA would be bearable if all of those that could be amended were. They have not been, and do not seem likely to be. I'm sure I've hit most of the reasons people here dislike/hate DotA, please let me know if I've missed any.

Rofl. Each patch they try and make it better, I would like to see you try and do better. Like i said, NO map is perfectly balanced, and after 30 patches it still isnt. Again, dota is doing better than some other maps.

DotA doesn't deserve even an eighth of the hype it gets.

Thats, again, youre opinion, and baiscly just summing up all of what you said befor.

Very new-player unfriendly. All you 133754uc3 pros used to be new, I don't care how long ago DotA stole your decency and soul.

Again, thats the fualt of the players, not dota.

ZOMG j00 4R3 N07 1337, GTFO". What's ironic is that the "z" most people use is the result of missing the shift key and hitting z instead, clearly the work of someone that is totally not 1337. Or maybe a little too 1337, because "teh" is mostly considered 1337. Either way, way to go morons!

Fault of dota players? I misspelled. Lots of people on b.net are like that, in all games.
@dofys:
You can mass spam that, but it will do no good, and for a good reason. Why? becaus you have TO PROOF OR ANYTHING TO BACK THAT UP! Its only an opinion, NOT facts. If you have anything that show that is true


Anyway, I dont like dota either, but becaus of the players. And only one hero is boreing.

 

[Shadow_Fox]

Don't forget DOTA SG HOST BANLIST
B) wtf is SG supposed to be?

SG=Singapore

 

[Rui]

A project was started to beat out DotA, it was actually born in a topic like this, called Ascendency.


By the way, when will this be moved to Warcraft III Discussion?

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Blacklist? Im afraid you dont you the internet well enough, banlist is program they use, and EVERYONE online calls in banlist, not just dota people.

Yeah, but it's easy to call DotAers out for it . I don't me the internet well enough? Hah, calling one group of people out for something lots of groups of people do, I think I me it better than you can you it.

Allmost everyone even people on the internet know -apem by now, it mean All Pick Easy Mode. Most people know -Arem too, witch is All Random Easy Mode. I NEVER EVER play dota, and I know all this. The ones I dont know are listed here, witch I fond by google search.

Thanks.

Wrong, other things are hosted. Every picture here shows that there are other games being hosted. Just becaus there is more dota being hosted than anything else, dosn't mean all other games dont exisit.

I am a little prone to hyperbole, but sometimes DotA is the only thing on for a good 3 or 4 screens on the list.

So waht if it dose, ALL games people like have terrible terrian. Its not anything bad with dota, as a matter of fact, dota has BETTER terrain, witch is saying something.

Sadly enough... this is relatively true. Both in that it is mostly a opinion (though one held by many), and in that terrain is becoming less and less important in games.

I agree dota is imbalaced, but NO MAP IN THE HOLE WORLD IS PERFECTLY BALACED!! Again, dota even dose a better job at it then 85% of other maps.

I'd have to say that DotA is definitely way on the low end of balance as far as maps I've played, but we may be pulling from different map pools, or different aspects of the same maps.

THAT is ALL a matter of opinion, the ECACT same things youre saying to dota could be said to all those maps. Thats only YOURE opinion.

In my experience, DotA is just running up and attacking towers, getting the best items, and killing heroes. All of the maps I've mentioned are more than just Hero vs Hero with mobs & towers in the way.

HoSK and WW-S are both Hero customization/AoS; WW-S has effectively two maps in one, above and below water; AotZ and ToB have loads of stuff other than just towers mobs and killing sprees (faction/blood from killing heroes, ass-loads of balance-shifting goodies that cost faction/blood); LoL has Über creeps that you can kill to send down the middle lane; AoS was the first and has three factions instead of just one; ASoBaS has unique systems/abilities that remain the same across all heroes, making even a specific hero have many strategies (yes, nothing about Enmity, I've only played it once. Nice base structure?).

What does DotA have? Über items that win the game upon reception.

Like ALL of youre's, this one MAJORLY lacks proof. Thats youre opinion, I respect that and its fine. All im saying to you could be said to me.

No, it has proof, you just don't agree that it is as substantial as I do. That's fair enough, but do know that there are lots of people that agree with me.

Rofl. Each patch they try and make it better, I would like to see you try and do better. Like i said, NO map is perfectly balanced, and after 30 patches it still isnt. Again, dota is doing better than some other maps.

Better than some, worse than most in my experience. Again, we may be pulling from different maps. I myself couldn't, but I'm sure there are lots of people here that could do it pretty fast. At least in LoL the imba things have counter-strategies that make them useless.

Thats, again, youre opinion, and baiscly just summing up all of what you said befor.

It isn't an opinion that DotA is over-hyped, only by how much. Anyways, if it was a summation, which it isn't, all good persuasive texts require them. I was trying to make mine as such.

Again, thats the fualt of the players, not dota.

Yeah, but it's still annoying that DotA attracts most of them. Regardless, point conceded.

@dofys:
You can mass spam that, but it will do no good, and for a good reason. Why? becaus you have TO PROOF OR ANYTHING TO BACK THAT UP! Its only an opinion, NOT facts. If you have anything that show that is true

Agreed. If you want to get people off of DotA, show them something better. Show them something more innovative. Show them something more addic... No, the people you will be able to convince that DotA isn't the only thing in Warcraft 3 will believe you anyways, without showing them something else addicting. The hard part isn't finding things like that, it's getting them to listen. And in general, people only pay attention to spam enough to spam back.

Anyway, I dont like dota either, but becaus of the players. And only one hero is boreing.

I actually wouldn't know. I know there are a lot of hero stereotypes, but they do have some originals. In my few games that I draw experience of DotA from, there are nice, normal civil people, and then there are hordes and hordes (and hordes and hordes and hordes) of random holier-and-better-than-thou idiots who actually are neither holier (obviously) nor better than most of BNet. Not to mention all those random 1337 idiots do is play DotA with an air of mediocrity (they pick instead of randoming) so they tend to suck at everything else (other heroes in DotA and life included).

In summation grin all my little gripes about DotA pale in comparison to its awful player base, which could easily be the cause of most of its problems anyways (if they complain, nice things can become un-nice again).

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

Long posts FTW!

Both these posts have terrible spelling, But i have to go now, I will fix them up later.

Yeah, but it's easy to call DotAers out for it . I don't me the internet well enough? Hah, calling one group of people out for something lots of groups of people do, I think I me it better than you can you it.

I Never said I was great at the internet either. EDIT: Also I said that wrong, You dont know Battle.net good enough***

Thanks.

Yeah..Im kinda thanking myself, I didnt know much besides those 2 untill I googled it

I am a little prone to hyperbole, but sometimes DotA is the only thing on for a good 3 or 4 screens on the list.

For me there is hardly ever 4 screens, muchless all dota.

Sadly enough... this is relatively true. Both in that it is mostly a opinion (though one held by many), and in that terrain is becoming less and less important in games.

Yeah, but I suppose its still DotA's fualt for not doing better than other maps.

I'd have to say that DotA is definitely way on the low end of balance as far as maps I've played, but we may be pulling from different map pools, or different aspects of the same maps.

I didnt say it was better than ALL maps, im sure there are some that do better.

In my experience, DotA is just running up and attacking towers, getting the best items, and killing heroes. All of the maps I've mentioned are more than just Hero vs Hero with mobs & towers in the way.

HoSK and WW-S are both Hero customization/AoS; WW-S has effectively two maps in one, above and below water; AotZ and ToB have loads of stuff other than just towers mobs and killing sprees (faction/blood from killing heroes, ass-loads of balance-shifting goodies that cost faction/blood); LoL has Über creeps that you can kill to send down the middle lane; AoS was the first and has three factions instead of just one; ASoBaS has unique systems/abilities that remain the same across all heroes, making even a specific hero have many strategies (yes, nothing about Enmity, I've only played it once. Nice base structure?).

What does DotA have? Über items that win the game upon reception.

Facts never matter when somebody has an idea STUCK in there head, witch for them, mean they could say that those maps are only running up and attacking towers, getting the best items, and killing heroes too. Of course, if they acually played them (I havnt) they would see they are wrong, but would that make them SAY somthing differnt? No.

No, it has proof, you just don't agree that it is as substantial as I do. That's fair enough, but do know that there are lots of people that agree with me.

There are lots that dissagree I am sure too. "I dont agree" What do you mean? that what opinion if, in youre opinion you have proof im mine you dont. That our opinions.

Better than some, worse than most in my experience. Again, we may be pulling from different maps. I myself couldn't, but I'm sure there are lots of people here that could do it pretty fast. At least in LoL the imba things have counter-strategies that make them useless.

" At least in LoL the imba things have counter-strategies that make them useless." Lots of people can say that about DotA too.
"Better than some, worse than most in my experience" I think that what I said, If I didnt I Said it wrong.
"we may be pulling from different maps." Im sure we are.

It isn't an opinion that DotA is over-hyped, only by how much. Anyways, if it was a summation, which it isn't, all good persuasive texts require them. I was trying to make mine as such.

I agree on that one.

Yeah, but it's still annoying that DotA attracts most of them. Regardless, point conceded.

Right....And As i said lower, it not really dotas fualt that they're like that.

Agreed. If you want to get people off of DotA, show them something better. Show them something more innovative. Show them something more addic... No, the people you will be able to convince that DotA isn't the only thing in Warcraft 3 will believe you anyways, without showing them something else addicting. The hard part isn't finding things like that, it's getting them to listen. And in general, people only pay attention to spam enough to spam back.

To tell you the truth, I dont think anyones going to get anybody to stop playing it ANYWAY. Unless there not a true DotA additict.

I actually wouldn't know. I know there are a lot of hero stereotypes, but they do have some originals. In my few games that I draw experience of DotA from, there are nice, normal civil people, and then there are hordes and hordes (and hordes and hordes and hordes) of random holier-and-better-than-thou idiots who actually are neither holier (obviously) nor better than most of BNet. Not to mention all those random 1337 idiots do is play DotA with an air of mediocrity (they pick instead of randoming) so they tend to suck at everything else (other heroes in DotA and life included).

I didnt say only one hero was bad, Just that myself I dont like it as good as other maps. And footmen frenzy, I do kind of like, even though its hero based, becaus there IS spawns, even if heros is all that counts.

Acually I dont like footmen frenzy, just A differnt footmen frenzy like map called robo warz witch is much differnt and better. (Imo)

In summation grin all my little gripes about DotA pale in comparison to its awful player base, which could easily be the cause of most of its problems anyways (if they complain, nice things can become un-nice again).

IMO, some\most people just use the players as an escuse to find fualts.


In summation, I was just saying its all a matter of opinion, theres so solid facts that make dota suck or dota completle rule.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Long posts FTW!

Long posts totally ftw!
Long useless posts ftl. I trimmed mine down from what it would have been >_>

I Never said I was great at the internet either. EDIT: Also I said that wrong, You dont know Battle.net good enough***

For me there is hardly ever 4 screens, muchless all dota.

They pile up if you don't keep spamming the refresh list button. For me the time between when the refresh button is available and when the next batch of games is added to the list is rather short. Sometimes I don't hit refresh, and it just grows.

Yeah, but I suppose its still DotA's fualt for not doing better than other maps.

In a while DotA will be pulling ahead in terrain... *sigh*.

I didnt say it was better than ALL maps, im sure there are some that do better.

You said "most" which means a majority. In my experience, the majority of maps do a better job than DotA.

Facts never matter when somebody has an idea STUCK in there head, witch for them, mean they could say that those maps are only running up and attacking towers, getting the best items, and killing heroes too. Of course, if they acually played them (I havnt) they would see they are wrong, but would that make them SAY somthing differnt? No.

Agreed. I was playing this one person Moon_Master or something in LoL. It was 1v1, and I randomed a really nasty hero. He stayed until the end, and even if 1v1 ruined his experience of LoL, at least he can say he tried.

There are lots that dissagree I am sure too. "I dont agree" What do you mean? that what opinion if, in youre opinion you have proof im mine you dont. That our opinions.

I was referring to that we disagreed on is how solid that proof is in this (sorry for not being clear):

Do I even need more? I could pull from the previous paragraph if you want more. GGDOTALOSES

Like ALL of youre's, this one MAJORLY lacks proof. Thats youre opinion, I respect that and its fine. All im saying to you could be said to me.

" At least in LoL the imba things have counter-strategies that make them useless." Lots of people can say that about DotA too.

I suppose you're right about most of them, but in LoL, every little imbalanced thing that doesn't have to do with a new hero has a counter-strategy.

"we may be pulling from different maps." Im sure we are.

Obviously so.

Right....And As i said lower, it not really dotas fualt that they're like that.

Poor DotA, being a slightly-better-than-mediocre map plagued by so many n00bs that there is effectively no gray area between "addict" and "hater".

To tell you the truth, I dont think anyones going to get anybody to stop playing it ANYWAY. Unless there not a true DotA additict.

Agreed.

I didnt say only one hero was bad, Just that myself I dont like it as good as other maps. And footmen frenzy, I do kind of like, even though its hero based, becaus there IS spawns, even if heros is all that counts.

I think you said that only one hero is boring (IE: the rest are okay). Either way, I still wouldn't know.

IMO, some\most people just use the players as an escuse to find fualts.

QFT.

In summation, I was just saying its all a matter of opinion, theres so solid facts that make dota suck or dota completle rule.

There's enough facts to say that DotA is over-hyped, gets too much attention, but much else and it becomes far more opinion than fact.

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

They pile up if you don't keep spamming the refresh list button. For me the time between when the refresh button is available and when the next batch of games is added to the list is rather short. Sometimes I don't hit refresh, and it just grows.

Ok, lol...

You said "most" which means a majority. In my experience, the majority of maps do a better job than DotA.

I didnt relise YOU had said "most" Like I did, I though you were talking about one map

I was referring to that we disagreed on is how solid that proof is in this (sorry for not being clear):

I think I also Miss-understood you too, or I said something wrong..

I suppose you're right about most of them, but in LoL, every little imbalanced thing that doesn't have to do with a new hero has a counter-strategy.

Ok, Ill have to play LoL to say anything more on this matter.

I think you said that only one hero is boring (IE: the rest are okay). Either way, I still wouldn't know.

I ment only HAVEING one hero at a time.

There's enough facts to say that DotA is over-hyped, gets too much attention, but much else and it becomes far more opinion than fact.

here I think you need to say what over-hyped means, becaus Im not sure im understanding it right. fixing spell will have to wait MORE, I really still need to be going..

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I didnt relise YOU had said "most" Like I did, I though you were talking about one map

Hmm.

I think I also Miss-understood you too, or I said something wrong..

Well, we're already having lots of cases of us misunderstanding each other.

Ok, Ill have to play LoL to say anything more on this matter.

Most of them are fixed/made harder to do/dominated by either Spell Shield or the ability to run out of the AoE before it goes and kills you. Then there are dispel wands, a hero that has dispel on the opposite team that has mass summons, an item that basically stops movement speed reduction effects. Aside from the abils that just do big damage, I can think of one ability that you can't run away from or spell shield; it pauses all units except the caster for (at max level) 8 seconds. 2:45 cooldown, likw 200 mana cost, the hero has at max level like ~450 mana. Even that has a way around, because you just need to use mana drain items. Of course, new player against seasoned player, its kind of hard to win without getting one of the nastier heroes because there are so many items. But again, with items, it's mostly buy what you can afford.

Hmm, there is actually a feature where if you go below 100 HP, it drastically slows a hero's movement speed. So then close calls would be something like 120 HP as opposed to 40 or 30, which would be like walking off only missing one limb.

I ment only HAVEING one hero at a time.

Hmm. Well, that's how all AoS-style maps are.

here I think you need to say what over-hyped means, becaus Im not sure im understanding it right. fixing spell will have to wait MORE, I really still need to be going..

If something is over-hyped, it is receiving either much more attention or much more praise than it actually deserves.

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

Hmm.

It allways make me wounder waht youre thinking when you post such short things like that..

Well, we're already having lots of cases of us misunderstanding each other.

AGREED
At least we made our main points clear enough...

...I hope

Hmm. Well, that's how all AoS-style maps are.

ecactly, I dont like all AoSes...Witch is why I havnt ever bothered with LoL

If something is over-hyped, it is receiving either much more attention or much more praise than it actually deserves

K

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

What I love about DotA is how many idiots/bad stereotypes it attracts .

There's some guy in the Lordaeron clan Land of Legends Prodigies that freaking had never played Land of Legends. He was in the clan because he had a friend in it. I either hosted or was friends with the host, but I was in his first game of LoL ever. I was on the other team, thank God, I was barely able to stand the idiocy he put out over All chat. I doubt I'd be able to stand the idiocy he'd put out over Allies.

Anyways, Land of Legends is cosmetically identical to DotA, and is also an AoS. That's where the differences stop. All of the heroes are unique, and serve individual purposes; it's not about item whoring, it's basically buy what you can afford until you've had a couple games under your belt to be able to be picky; more on the last one, there are strategies and counter strategies present, not just OMGX0RX 5V1 GANK; the player base isn't full of jackassery, faggotry and douchebaggery on levels so high that vomiting is almost mandatory.

Back on track with the story, the first thing he said was something along the lines of "well i'm good at dota i'll be good at this". The second, and third, fourth... (until maybe like 15th?) was him basically spamming "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE BOOTS OF SPEED". He had been told where they were, he had been told to ask one of his teammates who had the item, and he just kept spamming that to All. It wasn't even like we could have done much more than tell him "It's in <such and such building>", we were on the other team.

When he started losing badly he started saying things like "this is fucking retarded, i could own you at dota" (my answers to these, and the first thing he said were, I believe exactly: "LoL != DotA", "Once again, LoL != DotA, shut the fuck up DotA n00b", "You're nub at LoL, we're nub at DotA. Shut the fuck up now"). The icing on the cake? a friend who was in that game managed to beat him 1v1 in DotA. DotA n00b loses for great justice. AYBABTU.

The moral of the story? That flaming imbecile was the posterboy for DotA n00bs (please don't get confused when I say "nub" or "n00b", if it has the zeroes (and as such is 1337) it means "useless fuck", otherwise it means new player) and is basically the #1 reason that DotA is hated. Idiots like him. Not to mention the whole "boot at 99" jackassery. Those idiots already waited for DLer to get to 99, as in out of 100, is it that hard for them to not be a douche and let him finish DL? Not to mention the second time I played DotA:AS, I'd managed to surmise that it was entirely about item whoring. Ignoring the fact that I catch on slightly faster than the average bear, that's a horrible record for DotA already.

Shall I go on?

• It's the only thing ever hosted, and every now and again when I'm hosting something, some ass fuck comes in asking if I can host DotA for him (that begets an instant boot).
• #1 complaint I saw in the old thread about this, was that the terrain sucked.
• Tied for #1 complaint in the old thread is the total lack of balance.
• Lack of balance (yes, I know this is the second time I've put that. No, I don't care that both sides have identical mobs) DotA's balance ar teh suck
• I can name three AoSs right now that are better than DotA (not including LoL, because I'm in clan LoLP, and that would be advertising, advertising is bad). Would you like them?
  • Tides of Blood
  • Advent of the Zenith
  • A Song of Blood and Smoke
  • Hands of Sorrow Knight
  • Enmity Campaign
  • Water War - Submerged
  Oops, that's slightly more than three. Oh well, since I already lied, I might as well throw in Land of Legends VE, SE/LoE. That's eight, because the differences between Land of Legends VE and Land of Legends SE/Legends of Eternity are pretty damn big.
• Do I even need more? I could pull from the previous paragraph if you want more. GGDOTALOSES

DotA would be bearable if all of those that could be amended were. They have not been, and do not seem likely to be. I'm sure I've hit most of the reasons people here dislike/hate DotA, please let me know if I've missed any.

Edit: Hah, I already missed some.

• DotA doesn't deserve even an eighth of the hype it gets.
• Very new-player unfriendly. All you 133754uc3 pros used to be new, I don't care how long ago DotA stole your decency and soul.
• "ZOMG j00 4R3 N07 1337, GTFO". What's ironic is that the "z" most people use is the result of missing the shift key and hitting z instead, clearly the work of someone that is totally not 1337. Or maybe a little too 1337, because "teh" is mostly considered 1337. Either way, way to go morons!

God we need to make something more popular than this shitty map. And FAST.

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

God we need to make something better than this shitty map. And FAST.

Why? Everyone would still play dota. It would take about 7 years to get them to even TRY youre map, and by then they will all be playing star scraft II.

Thats assumeing you take about 1 year (Maybe less) to make it and 1 year to finish releasing new versions to patch bugs, and 5 years so spread it around,get in famous, ect..

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

Bah, we just can't put an end too DotA! Someone will make a SC2 DotA, its forseen!

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Why? Everyone would still play dota. It would take about 7 years to get them to even TRY youre map, and by then they will all be playing star scraft II.

Thats assumeing you take about 1 year (Maybe less) to make it and 1 year to finish releasing new versions to patch bugs, and 5 years so spread it around,get in famous, ect..

The more I think about it, the only chance we have at defeating DotA is when we switch to Starcraft 2...

 

[GST_Nemisis]

i will make a SC2 DotA but i will make it half decent.

 

[Massive_attack]

GST... don't turn into a new IceFrog.

 

[FrostyisdaKing]

DotA l33ts are annonying. They think that they are gods on the top of the world. Usually I hate DotA because of the people who like to play it.

I'm the same exact way, i've had a run in with an "elite dota" person who in our lotr game suicided all his stuff profaned at us and called our entire team noobs before and during the game. After the loss of all his units he left. So much for his 1337 status as a dota. Thats what i have against dota. If it makes those kind of people then i dont like it.

 

[DarkDenizen]

The more I think about it, the only chance we have at defeating DotA is when we switch to Starcraft 2...

Yeah. Get your anti-DotA superweapons ready. Making plans for SC2 maps right now is probably the best way to get your good ideas out there, along with possibly keeping IceFrog away from a copy of SC2...

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Any sort of carnage/golems/blood/mass game. They were good for SC, they will be SCII's crack or we're doomed to DotA forever.

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

Of couse they will make dota in starcraft.
Will it get even HALFWAY as popular as wc3s dota?
Im not so sure.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

well im telling you right now i am going to make an exact replica of wc3 DotA as best i can (perhaps i will import wc3 models) and i will do it in a way to that everybody is happy...take that IceFrog, i will beat you at your own game! this is all assuming i will buy SC2, that i will want to mod it and that DotA will be possible.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Maybe we can make a map that gets even more overrated! Then DotA will be nothing!!

I'm thinking.. TIC TAC TOE!!!

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Maybe we can make a map that gets even more overrated! Then DotA will be nothing!!

I'm thinking.. TIC TAC TOE!!!

Nah. Just something with mass destruction and really big explosions.

 

[Katu]

Dota is simple. Dota is wrong.

 

[panther-anthro]

Okay, my reason for disliking DOTA is this. There are better AoS Maps, and better maps in general. Why should the lists be spammed constantly with inferior map making, with illegal rips, no credit given, and blatant piracy all around. The gameplay is not balanced and this has been proven before. Also, if you think SC2 will kill wc3 lets take the example of SC wasn't killed by WC3 so why should SC2 kill WC3?

 

[GST_Nemisis]

because WC3 isnt worshipped by millions of Koreans?

 

[HappyTauren]

kill dota? get me sniper i will kill IceFrog, and hack down the server. Simple. but hard.

 

[DarkDenizen]

No, we need to do something more painful than that. Maybe write a virus that infects every computer with DotA on it, and deletes a trigger or custom unit every ten seconds. Kidnap IceFrog, put him in your evil genius control room tied to a chair, and force him to watch as every copy is deleted piece by piece. Then take his own computer, put it on a table 3 feet away from him, and let him watch as your bodygaurd puts a 12 gauge solid slug into his hard drive. Do the same to any backup CD you find. Then use your vast resources to make a lifesize version of DotA, get huge guys with swords and bows to act like creeps, and dress IceFrog up as one of the crappiest heros you can find. Then lock him into the giant DotA, and let him get beaten to a pulp in his own unbalancednes.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Damn, uh...
:ScreamLikeASecondGradeGirl:
:RunAway:
:Runnn!:

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Better, more possible idea:

We make an SC2 version of DotA, that isn't rushed and crappy. Then we acquire complete control over the situation, and we, SC modders, will rule South Korea!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[DarkDenizen]

Lol... Maybe we could put subliminal messages into the mods, and eventally all the South Koreans will be like "All our base are belong to US modders...". "Why?" "The evil voice in the map told me..."

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Then we use our influence to slide our way into the government, and eventually get control of its armies, then unite with other allied countries to form the modder's army...

And then...
WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!