Why so much dota hatred?

[DredLord2]

No More Dota!

I agree with the first few guys. DOTA is WAY over played, and there are better games to play. DOTA has ruined many game makers like me, no one playes our games any more. It's all this shitting DOTA! I have formed a game in honor of it's hatered . Down With DOTA, a new game by me, even this, the most needed game, is still over thrown by the massive DOTA population, when I ran a dl only, only 6 ppl joined and dled it... You think by now someone would have been able to hack into the game by now and screw it up!? :-B

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Nah. Just something with mass destruction and really big explosions.

No, it's cool. We can make, like, heroes for the X and the O side, with fighting animations and huge nukular explojuns and banlists and complex spell effects and giant robots with pieces of bacon sprinkled on top. Best overrated game EVAR! WE'LL BE FAMOUS!!

 

[atropos007]

funny, when I host my newest TD, everyone joins it, come to Northrend plz?

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Europe is teh suck D: !!!11!one1

J/k, but lag is teh suck, and I live in the US. Most of my friends are on USWest also, and I'd rather not drag all of them to a server where we'll all lag.

 

[atropos007]

I don't have as much lag playing on US server. But come to Europe just for a moment to see that 100% games aren't dota

 

[HappyTauren]

I would be fine with dota. If it wasnt THAT BAD. There are 17000 lines of jass scripts for nothing. DOtA is junk.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I don't think dota is junk as much as it is mediocre. but mediocre brought out its overratedness with seemingly complex spells and overdosed fame.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I don't think dota is junk as much as it is mediocre. but mediocre brought out its overratedness with seemingly complex spells and overdosed fame.

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it's not that DotA sucks hard so much as it sucks a little, but it's effectively the only thing you can find, compounding the suck a good thousandfold.

If anybody else can come up with a better way of describing DotA than me, feel free to let us know.

 

[SimonKurciski]

Teh_Ephy is right....I mean, let's say I play a game of DoTA. All well adn good. But then I feel like playing something else.....oh wait, all anyone ever hosts is DoTA. You host something else and the only person who joins is some idiot who says "can u howst dota?1"

 

[Teh_Ephy]

You host something else and the only person who joins is some idiot who says "can u howst dota?1"

That's usually only fourth game or something. And they're usually asking for something other than DotA (they can find that any time), but something you don't want to play anyways (not that they ask for bad maps, but maps that you don't have or don't want to play).

 

[panther-anthro]

Or you can just go to useast *gasP* <.< useast isn't filled with DOTA it's just WEST that is the realm of DOTA

 

[Dougletron]

I know myself that dota has ripped off many spells and icons from wc3sear.ch and was stolen. However, putting aside the attitude and approach the current "owner" of the map has used to create it, i believe it is a great piece of work. Many people believe it has destroyed the battle.net community, but i think it helps keep it alive in a way. The many people looking for dota games may eventually like to test some new custom map they see on their selection screen and might just give it a try. If there was no dota, do you think so many people would be playing custom maps as there are now, after wc3 has been out for 5 years(i think)? I think there would be a good amount but not as many as there currently are with dota. Yes it may be very overplayed and it is debatable wether the game is balanced or not, but i dont think such an outstanding map should be left hated or undeservable of a mapper's recognition just because of that.

 

[Kalbintion]

im not saying DotA is bad...its a good map, but you know what they say about too much of a good thing. its not my favorite map but it makes my favorite map more diffcult to find and host.

DotA isnt bad. The players and BNet community is bad. I do not touch DotA i thought id give it a go a few times, hated it afterwards. Hate dota players aswell.

I will just up and here say that DotA won't be on SC2 because of the highly possible lack of heroes in SC2

No heroes means no leveling up (At least without a leveling trigger system which the map maker needs to create), and with no items there goes about 3 quaters of DotA in about ten seconds

Therefore Warcraft 3 will probably still hold a majority of the crowd for AoS maps, though I do see a few good ones coming on SC2. But nothing can dethrone DotA now, it's a juggernaut and there's no stopping it

Their will be someone who attempts to do it, im sure of that

what i hate about dota players is that they think how well they play in dota measures the size of their penis, or some other metaphorical pride. I say "you suck at this game" and they're always like, "ok, 1v1 apem" or something like that. They're like the stereotypical american, can't see a world past the one they live in.
also, i'd like to point out that wc3 is anything but dead. it may not be what it used to be, but it's still the most played rts, and is a very great and customizable game, full of oppurtunity. on xfire, i believe its fame is second to only WoW.

Agree'd however, im an american i CAN see past the one i live in. WC3 is not anything but dead. and ur xfire stats are sortve wrong, ive seen it 4-5th to WoW not 2nd. However, u could be right and i could be wrong, i just never seen it up past 4th

Reasons why i dislike DotA
1) Name of the map
2) Thieves ["Pudge Wars"]
3) Uncredited resources
4) Community
5) Balancing [however it is done well]
6) Loss/Gain factors

 

[Teh_Ephy]

it's not that DotA sucks hard so much as it sucks a little, but it's effectively the only thing you can find, compounding the suck a good thousandfold.

All DotA is is a boring, mildly-sucky AoS. Not inventive in the slightest. It's just heroes, mobs, towers, easily-killed creeps, and complex item recipes. With the possible exception of Enmity Campaign, every single AoS I can think of has something more.

im an american i CAN see past the one i live in

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They're like the [HIGHLIGHT]stereotypical[/code] american

 

[SimonKurciski]

@PantherAnthro Is it true that US East has less DoTA? And if I go there, won't I lag really, really badly?

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Or you can just go to useast *gasP* <.< useast isn't filled with DOTA it's just WEST that is the realm of DOTA

Hmm, I live in the middle of the US. I actually have friends IRL that are on East. But all my OL friends are on west >_>

 

[creyzi4zb12]

Why doesn't Dota ever credit the resources it gets?
That's why I hate DoTa so much. They get resources from other sites and do not even give credit to them.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I'm not addicted to wc3 anymore, and it's mostly because i haven't played it recently (whoa, talk about a backwards process), so these days, i just finish campaigns games such as quake 4 and C&C: Red Alert 2 (+ renegades), but I still remember that even though i live in california, i have a habit very often to go on us east for no particular reason, and i have to say, the difference in dota really isn't that uh... different.

 

[FrostyisdaKing]

i play on east though i am clearly in the US West boundaries. I cannot play on west because thats all they host. I bet they won't even let my map through on bnet when i finish it! Noobzorz!

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

DotA isnt bad. The players and BNet community is bad. I do not touch DotA i thought id give it a go a few times, hated it afterwards. Hate dota players aswell.

Reasons why i dislike DotA
1) Name of the map
2) Thieves ["Pudge Wars"]
3) Uncredited resources
4) Community
5) Balancing [however it is done well]
6) Loss/Gain factors

I just played dota, and I was a complete noob, and nobody complained at all. They were nice, in fact.


Then I went to play normaly melee, ladder...whatever you want to call it, and people cursed and swore at me to death.



Dota playes >>>>>>>Ladder people it seems often to me, however I can see PLENTLY of times dota players were acting that way to.

2) Thieves ["Pudge Wars"]

??????????????????


Pudge wars stole from them, not the other way around.

Edit: Dota was gaver permission to use other peoples ideas, even if they didnt give credit.

 

[HappyTauren]

look at WILLTHEALMIGHTY's post and everything will be revealed, why is dota a crappy map.

 

[atropos007]

you may find this thread interesting -> http://war3.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40834

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

You will find this thread more interesting if we settled it with 3 words, a ~ and a full stop!

DotA Sucks.

~Closed

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

look at WILLTHEALMIGHTY's post and everything will be revealed, why is dota a crappy map.

I wasnt saying that it WASNT a crappy map.

You will find this thread more interesting if we settled it with 3 words, a ~ and a full stop!

DotA Sucks.

~Closed

Youre a mod??? Cool.


Btw, I dont see why it needs to be closed, I dont see any flameing or fighting, otherwise peoples opinions are fine to here. Unless some posts have been flameing....??

Anyway, how can I still post here with youre Uh-so-allmighy mod powers have closed it, witch they havnt becaus you cant so you should really say its closed.

 

[Kaitech[SanD]]

I'm kidding, I'm just ever so tired of all the DotA discussions in the Off-Topic (Things -->UNRELATED<-- too War3) and I think they should go in too a DotA discussion board and have their own part of the site, you know what I mean?

 

[Jaakko]

I like Dota Allstars, I don't like tower defence, nor some sheep tag or whatever. So what better there could be in b.net anyways?

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

I'm kidding, I'm just ever so tired of all the DotA discussions in the Off-Topic (Things -->UNRELATED<-- too War3) and I think they should go in too a DotA discussion board and have their own part of the site, you know what I mean?

Well, you dont have to view the threads.

Also, im very bad at finding\looking at things, so this is the first one ive seen about dota...

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

So what better there could be in b.net anyways?

Are you saying DotA is the best map there is? Then there's no real fucking purpose for this site, now is there? DotA is the best map ever, and it's everywhere. No need to make new maps, the best is already here. SHUT THIS SITE DOWN! IT'S NO USE!

No shit there is better in b.net. We've listed plenty of reasons why we hate DotA, and most of them, for that matter, is justified. If we hate DotA, there is probably a map that is better that allows us to judge it as bad.

I'd like to apoligize to anyone gloriously offended by profanity. Me siento mal.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Well, you dont have to view the threads.

Also, im very bad at finding\looking at things, so this is the first one ive seen about dota...

They happen every... few months?. I know that this isn't the first one I've seen.

I like Dota Allstars, I don't like tower defence, nor some sheep tag or whatever. So what better there could be in b.net anyways?

Congratulations on being in the vast majority. There are ass-loads of maps on BNet (and ass-fucking-tons off it) that are better than DotA, you just prefer DotA. There is absolutely no question that if there were a global rating system for maps based on quality, DotA would be on the lower-middle end of it.

If there were some global rating system for maps based on popularity, DotA would never leave #1. Unfortunately, popularity does not a mean a map is good, it means there are lots of people that are good at it, and in the case of DotA, nothing else. Preferring DotA over other maps is your opinion and I have nothing against it (provided you've tried other maps, you gave examples so I'd assume so) but please don't tell me that DotA is the "best" map out there.

 

[chaosraider]

DotA killed the Battle.net community.

your wrong ....world of warcraft killed the B.net community!

 

[Jaakko]

Are you saying DotA is the best map there is? Then there's no real fucking purpose for this site, now is there? DotA is the best map ever, and it's everywhere. No need to make new maps, the best is already here. SHUT THIS SITE DOWN! IT'S NO USE!

lol This site is not based on what would be the best map in b.net. DotA Allstars is good. I have tried other maps in b.net, but most of them are quite bad. I haven't found any other favorite since all people host is DotA Allstars.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I have to disagree, most maps hosted on BNet are fun, but not necessarily well done and polished. Why would anyone host it if it wasn't fun?

BTW, played a DotA game with some nubs, like me. No random l33t idiocity, I never got insulted and I managed to survive with my crappy hero.

It was actually fun, since no one was an ass. Unfortunatly, the host disconnected.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

lol This site is not based on what would be the best map in b.net. DotA Allstars is good. I have tried other maps in b.net, but most of them are quite bad. I haven't found any other favorite since all people host is DotA Allstars.

Bad as in poor quality or bad as in you don't like them? The only way I can see that as bad as in poor quality is that most maps that are frequently hosted aren't nearly as complex as DotA, even if they are nicely done.

 

[Jaakko]

Yeah, and some are unbalanced or feel a bit empty.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

lol This site is not based on what would be the best map in b.net. DotA Allstars is good. I have tried other maps in b.net, but most of them are quite bad.

I meant the main purpose of all things on the hive, or at least what it boils down to, is to make maps. If DotA is all we should play, this site has no purpose, now does it?

I haven't found any other favorite since all people host is DotA Allstars.

How the hell do you say no map is better than DotA if that's the only thing you play, for the most part?

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Yeah, and some are unbalanced or feel a bit empty.

Compared to all of the AoSs I frequently play, DotA is that way. I've said over and over in this thread that one of the reasons DotA is inferior to most other AoSs is the lack of anything more than what's needed for a basic AoS: bases, mobs heroes, shops. It has creeps, but they just die so easily that they really don't count as anything more than easy gold.
It has overly complex item recipes, but those count because they're overly complex, far too numerous to be newbie-friendly, and tend to shift the balance of power far more than any single item (or rather, group of) has any right to. My favourite AoS has too many items to be newbie-friendly, but that's easily fixed by telling them just to buy what they can afford.

 

[atropos007]

have you played HoSK? THATS an chaotic item system, with tooltips for every item taking half of the screen

and creeps in dota never die in few hits, its not like tides of blood where you can run past the creeps and just kill the opposing hero with ease because he is few levels weaker

 

[Teh_Ephy]

have you played HoSK? THATS an chaotic item system, with tooltips for every item taking half of the screen

and creeps in dota never die in few hits, its not like tides of blood where you can run past the creeps and just kill the opposing hero with ease because he is few levels weaker

Yeah, I didn't even bother too much with items. not to mention all the passive abils... I managed to pick out the ones I liked though, just went for familiar auras. Endurance, command, weakness, corruption, slow, and then some other aura.

I had bought an item, and then actually looked for a recipe with that item in it, instead of looking at recipes I might want. That was towards the beginning of the end-game. I saw somebody else with an item I thought I'd like, and spent the minute to get that.

And I haven't played ToB in a while, but it does make DotA unbalanced and empty.

 

[Andy011]

Definately. Also, DotA palyers in my experience (by far the largest faction of WC3 players) look at a map and say, "Is it DotA, or at least an AoS that clones DotA well? No? Then screw you, it's a piece of junk."

Absolutely. I once went to a cafe to try out my map with a friend. Surprisingly, the guys waiting for a computer looked... kinda surprised. But what really, really, REALLY ticked me off and made me want to pull their hearts out and make them eat them.... was the fact that they didn't ask "What AoS is that?"... but "What DotA is that?" And then I said "Look, not everything is DotA, it's a map I'm making, it's an AoS." "What's an AoS?"

If there wasn't a strict policy against violent behaviour... that guy would be eating through a straw right now, I swear to Christ... To these guys, WC3 = DOTA... >_> How sad can you get...?

God... how the hell don't they get bored of the same friggin thing over and over and over again? Sure, it's updated constantly, but it's the same damn deal every single time someone plays it. Hit him, run for your life, hit him again, be careful he doesn't TOUCH you (God forbid) unless you're MASSIVELY overpowering him, and so on and so forth... and if he does touch you, you're a dumbass who's giving himself away and the people at the cafe yell at you as if you insulted their mothers or killed their pets...

Oh and here's the BEST part... not 2 blocks from that cafe, there's a university. People actually miss their exams to play that nightmare...

And let me tell you, this is the very first time I learn DotA: AS is a rip off from the original DotA... thanks for the info.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I believe I played DotA Before I played DOTA:AS. I know I played AoS first, because it had a cool name, and I had had WC for like a few days.

 

[Shadow_Fox]

Meh the original dota was okay, nothing special....Dota AS is a BELOW average AoS with NOTHING making it unique from the rest, no innovation, new features, just a volume of massivly 10 second made heros and grossly overpowered items..

 

[atropos007]

yeah in hosk I also took familiar skills -> Bash, Critical Strike, Windwalk and Finger of Death. pwned everyone

fact is, that in melee you have also same gameplay over and over, and it ISN'T updated by blizzard in any way (last gameplay patch was year ago). It may seem different every time, but it goes like this:

enemies: Orc and Undead

hmm... grunt/raider/walker/demo bm/sh + fiend/destro/abo dk/lich ?

bingo.. ;/

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

yeah in hosk I also took familiar skills -> Bash, Critical Strike, Windwalk and Finger of Death. pwned everyone

fact is, that in melee you have also same gameplay over and over, and it ISN'T updated by blizzard in any way (last gameplay patch was year ago). It may seem different every time, but it goes like this:

enemies: Orc and Undead

hmm... grunt/raider/walker/demo bm/sh + fiend/destro/abo dk/lich ?

bingo.. ;/

You forgot the ultra noob tactic of necros and meat wagons (which I still use).

 

[Rui]

About melee, it's true. It's getting repetitive and boring. Every strategy is no longer a surprise, the game is fully explored. I think Blizzard should at least replace the ladder maps, they are getting SO boring.

 

[wugiboy]

Technically, Whitehorn does this because he thinks he can get away with it, he sees his join date and goes "Oh boy! I'm older than the Hive, I can do whatever I damn well please!"

Because he is also respected through out teh community...

And on topic...

Blizzard should atleast release another patch, a good one, like add 2 new heroes or sumthin, and a spell that can do knock backs and shit, I'm getting tired of playing melee, or spawn maps, or helms deeps, or minas tirith. and Dota is the only thing that aint boring me nowadays

 

[HappyTauren]

no , no more patches sir, we want wc4.

 

[MaD_cOw_DiSeAsE]

DotA is overplayed, but it is so great because it is so balanced, and people who say it isn't just played it once and mistake SKILL with IMBALANCED. It also isn't the same thing every time, and once again, if yous ay that you played it once and then got pissed because you did bad, its not like some games where a newb is going to be able to own a pro because they got a rigged hero. Some DotA players are bad, and that is why they invented the banlist, but people do take DotA way too seriously, but you know it has to be a good/balanced game if they have CAL matches for it and no other games of WC3 except ladder games

 

[atropos007]

come on, they probably got laned vs lich/silencer/viper/enchantress and now cry

 

[Redeemer59]

[dotanoob]

WAHT TEH FUXOR DOTA IZ LIEF OMFG U GUIS R SOOOO NUB I SHUD AD U 2 BLIST LOZLLOZLZOZLZOZLZOZL

HOW DRE U SAY IS IMBALNCE, 1 TIEM I PALY A GAEM CALD HOSK ADN IT WUZ LIEK TEH WTFZORZ!!1!!11 SUXORRR!!!! DOTA IS TEH WAY BETERS AN IF U DUNT TIHNK SO TEHN U SHUD KILL URSLF CUZ U SUK @ LIEF LOLOLOLOLOL

[/dotanoob]

Most DotA people I've met are like this. Enough reason to dislike it in itself, IMO.

 

[Neiko]

DotA is overplayed, but it is so great because it is so balanced, and people who say it isn't just played it once and mistake SKILL with IMBALANCED.

Skill in what?

Just curious in what is skill to you =o.