What the hell is happening?

[loktar]

In this model, the non-upgraded animation is supposed to use the top left part of the texture, the first upgrade is supposed to use the top right part of the texture.

This is working correctly in magos model editor, mdlvis, and Hive model checker.

But when I import into a test map, it seems to revert to an older version of the model: non-upgraded version shows both non-upgraded texture and upgrade 1 texture, upgrade one version shows the mesh at a different place from when I was still editing.

Wtf???? I even rebooted to make sure...

 

[loktar]

I really don't understand... everything is fine & as intended everywhere except in WE and ingame... anyone have any insight into what's going on?

 

[tillinghast]

i recalculated extents just for the heck of it and this is what happened

judging by how that part of tower is hanging off the shaman, i'd say it's that pesky bug where mesh is not quite attached to the bones
i think what you need to do is reattach those missing parts, or just to be sure, at first you attach it to a different bone and then reattach to the proper one

edit: yep that's it

 

[loktar]

i recalculated extents just for the heck of it and this is what happened
View attachment 546918
judging by how that part of tower is hanging off the shaman, i'd say it's that pesky bug where mesh is not quite attached to the bones
i think what you need to do is reattach those missing parts, or just to be sure, at first you attach it to a different bone and then reattach to the proper one

edit: yep that's it
View attachment 546919

Omg, yeah, that fixed it. I hate hate that bug so so much, there is no way to detect it in the various model editors. Thanks for this

 

[loktar]

It's happening again and reattaching isn't helping

 

[tillinghast]

gimme the model

 

[loktar]

Here it is

 

[tillinghast]

something fucking weird is going on
i did it once, made this screenshot

then i rechecked it and it's no longer working
i did it again
and i'm afraid to check again
i simply made a new bone for it
maybe i just fumbled the imports

 

[loktar]

something fucking weird is going on
i did it once, made this screenshot
View attachment 546971
then i rechecked it and it's no longer working
i did it again
and i'm afraid to check again
i simply made a new bone for it
maybe i just fumbled the imports

Cool, it's working! Thanks I'll keep in mind creating a new bone if it happens again. Actually I think I may have done that in the past for other models, I should've thought of it myself

 

[tillinghast]

Cool, it's working! Thanks I'll keep in mind creating a new bone if it happens again. Actually I think I may have done that in the past for other models, I should've thought of it myself

if you're using mdlvis, then i think it's "Uncouple (U)" in vertex editor and "Detach vertices from bone (V)" in sequence editor that might be responsible for it

 

[loktar]

if you're using mdlvis, then i think it's "Uncouple (U)" in vertex editor and "Detach vertices from bone (V)" in sequence editor that might be responsible for it

Didn't use those. I made a copy of the original mesh and then did "Detach as new geoset" before modifying, maybe that's what caused it. I also did that for the meshes in the human tower where this also happened.

 

[Retera]

Opening a model and saving it again in Retera Model Studio will identify model geometries bits "that aren't attached to any bones" and then resolve the issue silently.

 

[loktar]

Opening a model and saving it again in Retera Model Studio will identify model geometries bits "that aren't attached to any bones" and then resolve the issue silently.

Oh, cool, will try that next time.

 

[DREADMAN]

I usually delete this part of the model, and copy it again through another file and re-attach the bones. I had a bug when a unit dies and after death the unit's arm is "magnetized" to another living unit.