What is your favorite race from Starcraft?

[Aslit]

Terran is the strongest early game race, Zerg is the weakest early game race.

Terran is the weakest late game race, Zerg is the strongest late game race.

Protoss is pretty good at both but not great at either.

mmm, not

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

Zerg is the strongest late game race.

I am very noobish concerning starcraft 2 but I really don't know how zergs could beat any other race in lategame
please explain

 

[PurplePoot]

Ultralisks, Brood Lords, and their tech switching abilities, among other things.

 

[Aslit]

a ms, couple of col, vr, and spammed carrier can take down any zerg army, without saying what a single high templar can do to them, and thats just what protoss can to to them

 

[tagg1080]

a ms, couple of col, vr, and spammed carrier can take down any zerg army, without saying what a single high templar can do to them, and thats just what protoss can to to them

OMG!

I love this game!


So, you posted an army composition, and i will post a better one that can beat it, then you will post one that can beat mine, etc...

I fucking LOVE this game!

Chack off dude, did you seriously just say that? Come on.

 

[PurplePoot]

Just ignore him; he thinks that banelings are bad against marines.

 

[tagg1080]

Just ignore him; he thinks that banelings are bad against marines.

I saw a bane+muta answer to a MMM ball the other day, was pretty sweet...


You guys that play a race, or won't play a certain one, have you ever switched from 1 to the other? And what were some reasons?


I have really been trying terran out, and I still don't like their units.

Sticking with P for now still, but I have been dabbling in Z.

Not to seem too bitchy, but I do NOT like the amount of extra work with Z to do well, especially in the early-mid game when you absolutely need to micro everything to pull ahead. Meh.

 

[Dark Hunter1357]

I started off as terran, but i sux at terran so much, that if you see me playing you would think i never played an RTS. My macro suxs, my timing suxs and my composition suxs with terran(except mmm, but i make mmm so damn slowly). At least i can micro reapers.
My main concern with terran is, that you can't have an instant army, like zerg(8 larvas are 8 hydras) and toss(warpgates) can.
I switched to zerg, because they are awesome.

 

[Coolty44]

I started off as terran, but i sux at terran so much, that if you see me playing you would think i never played an RTS. My macro suxs, my timing suxs and my composition suxs with terran(except mmm, but i make mmm so damn slowly). At least i can micro reapers.
My main concern with terran is, that you can't have an instant army, like zerg(8 larvas are 8 hydras) and toss(warpgates) can.
I switched to zerg, because they are awesome.

Mhm, I'll agree that Terran don't have the ability to insta-create an army or make an army appear out of thin air, but air transport for units is one thing that terran do have that P or Z don't. 1 medivac can carry 1 thor, or 2 seige tanks, or 4 maradurs/goliaths/ other 2 slot units, or 6 marines that it can heal. So when you think about it, P and Z can appear out of nowhere, but it takes a longer time for a large force to amass at an area, leaving a few units to defend against many. T can just drop off a bunch of units in a few seconds, directly into a base and dont have to worry about 1 unit popping out a nydus or being built at a pylon, both of which need to be a safe distance away from the base so they have time to mass.

 

[Aslit]

at least im not a gay that uses pre build internet strategies, i can think my own, thats what make a game funny
and btw, baneling suck thats a fact, with its cost u could make better stuff.... for a zerg ofc

 

[Darkness-4ever]

Aslit, don't get carried away with your opinions to the point where you blatantly insult people who disagree with you. Doing that simply weakens your position and makes it look like you know less and less of what you're talking about, try to keep it civil. There is, in SC2 currently, no such thing as a suck unit, only a suck player. And being someone who is learning Zerg and fighting against Terrans in gold who really seem to enjoy using a MM ball early on, the baneling is practically all I have to save me, and it has saved me. Just because it may not work for you, or work against you, doesn't mean it won't work at all, and has no uses.

 

[PurplePoot]

MM is so unbelievably terrible against Zerg (yay banelings?). There's a reason the only reason you see it in TvZ is as a follow up to 5rax reaper...

 

[Aslit]

that happen with ppl who uses those internet pre-build strategies, ppl who prefer to be adicted to a game more that enjoy it

 

[Coolty44]

that happen with ppl who uses those internet pre-build strategies, ppl who prefer to be adicted to a game more that enjoy it

The games been out for what, 3 months? Nobody will have a 100% solid strategy to beating everything out yet, because everybody is still experimenting with unit combo's. Stop saying that there is "internet pre-build strategies"

Anyway, out of curiosity, how many workers do you guys use to harvest minerals/vespene. I can't find a good number that can maximize mineral collection well still allowing me room to build an with ample food.

 

[tagg1080]

MM is so unbelievably terrible against Zerg (yay banelings?). There's a reason the only reason you see it in TvZ is as a follow up to 5rax reaper...

the 5/6rax reaper to marauder is kinda sweet, unless they muta over roach, then obv marauder is not perfect, heh

 

[PurplePoot]

3 on gas, and about 20-24 on minerals.

 

[Dark Hunter1357]

reaper to marauder can be beaten by fast lings and spine crawlers and not suxy micro. Because zerglings with speed are faster then reapers with speed(haven't really checked it as in numbers, but my observations lead me to believe that). Zerglings pwn marauders too, although i think they should pwn them more then they do...

 

[PurplePoot]

Speedlings are faster than Speed Reapers, but Speed Reapers beat Speedlings at melee...

 

[HINDYhat]

Most of the players anyone here will ever meet on the ladder will suck hard with reaper control anyway, so you can deal with it pretty easily. Just felt like mentioning it because I'm 99% sure that someone in this thread has or will whine about imbalance.

 

[Dark Hunter1357]

Speedlings are faster than Speed Reapers, but Speed Reapers beat Speedlings at melee...

no one is talking about equal numbers. 1 reaper can't beat 4 zerglings can he(5 reapers - 20 zerglings).

 

[PurplePoot]

Pretty sure you can attack move reapers against a bad Zerg player and win, though. I guess that relies on you having some macro, though...

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Ghost, it's unlikely they will have 4 Zerglings per reaper so it's a moot point (and once you get a reaper ball they can win 4:1, yes).

 

[Dark Hunter1357]

Why did you say "Ghost" in reference of me? lol
anyway, yeah they probably can, but if zerg has one spine crawler he needs less lings, just to attack the reapers when the reapers attack the spine crawler and retreat them, when the reapers stop attacking.

 

[PurplePoot]

I don't know. Mind must have been wandering.

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Watch pro TvZ with 5rax reaper--what you suggest sounds great in theory but it doesn't actually happen in practice. You basically need lots of roaches and/or queens to fight reapers.

 

[tagg1080]

I don't know. Mind must have been wandering.

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Watch pro TvZ with 5rax reaper--what you suggest sounds great in theory but it doesn't actually happen in practice. You basically need lots of roaches and/or queens to fight reapers.

Which is why reaper to marauder is solid, as it then beats the roaches and queens pretty well. At least, tis what it seems like to me.

 

[Aslit]

are u serious? there are a lot of pre-build ones, in this conversation was mentioned a few ones, and using them is not really play

 

[tagg1080]

are u serious? there are a lot of pre-build ones, in this conversation was mentioned a few ones, and using them is not really play

In every single sport where there are rules, the top end tends to level out to the same things over and over.

Why?

Because there are RULES.

When there are rules, and limitations, then eventually, there is a "best".


Starcraft 1 is VERY much like that. As Starcraft 2 is evolving, it is becoming more and more like that.


What you are saying would be the same thing as if you went to a football game, and said that they did the same kinds of plays every single time. Or bitching at a boxer for using a jab, cuz everyone does!

Please stop trolling.

 

[Ninja-Walrus]

Zerg. Because Zergling rush.

 

[Aslit]

a pre build strategy is not a rule, a rule is like, a player without units loose the game
so ur saying that a GAME is made to u to being studing pre-build stuff so u dont have to think? wow THATS!!! evolving...

 

[HINDYhat]

a pre build strategy is not a rule, a rule is like, a player without units loose the game
so ur saying that a GAME is made to u to being studing pre-build stuff so u dont have to think? wow THATS!!! evolving...

What are you even talking about? I assume you mean memorizing build orders? If so I'll have you know that being good or even being mediocre at this game requires more than memorizing build orders. Nobody actually cares enough to memorize anything further than a few minutes in. The rest of the game's flow comes from experience and timing.

 

[PurplePoot]

On top of what HINDY said, this is a common misconception among players. I really don't understand where it stems from; in a strategy game, there will be better strategies, and a build order is essentially a way of stating a very strong strategy to open the game with.

It's being able to do whatever you want that would make it not a strategy game. Build orders are not a bad thing; in fact, they are a direct result of the strategy element being good.

 

[tagg1080]

Ever played chess? Like, real chess with people that are not stupid?

I do the same chess opening that about 90% of world class players do.


That does not make me stupid.

That does not make chess broken.

That does not mean I am not playing.

 

[Aslit]

then it would be better start with a pre build base, then u skip what u say it is the only automaticed part of the game, that way everybody saves time. now that we are there, why we dont just sit and watch a match between the best players insted of "playing"

 

[PurplePoot]

But it isn't automated.

There are several strategies, it's just that there are a fixed amount of them and they are well-established (obviously strategies change over time as the metagame evolves, but I mean at any one point in time).

 

[mrzwach]

There actually is more than one decent build order for each race, fyi.

Furthermore, the first 3-4 minutes of the game are not just executing a build order.

 

[tagg1080]

There actually is more than one decent build order for each race, fyi.

Furthermore, the first 3-4 minutes of the game are not just executing a build order.

They are clearly about SPAMMING the "build pylo" button so that your APM is 300 when you hit 10 supply.

Clearly.

 

[Coolty44]

then it would be better start with a pre build base, then u skip what u say it is the only automaticed part of the game, that way everybody saves time. now that we are there, why we dont just sit and watch a match between the best players insted of "playing"

Different strategies, scouting, experimenting, rushing, and many, many more things making an "auto base" worthless. Plus I might not like how the auto base lays itself out, which isn't good for games were you need to micro a lot of different units and structures

 

[Dark Hunter1357]

then it would be better start with a pre build base, then u skip what u say it is the only automaticed part of the game, that way everybody saves time. now that we are there, why we dont just sit and watch a match between the best players insted of "playing"

Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, writing the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again the reply is now diamonds.Anything is possible when you think before you post.

 

[Aslit]

then just prebase with 4 options and there u go
each one of use think their comment is the legitime one

 

[PurplePoot]

Yes, and in the past you have shown that you have no idea what you're talking about (banelings vs marines etc), so I think we can safely discount yours.

(Also, your new design discounts cheese)

 

[The World Is Flat]

Apparently i play protoss, tbh, zerg are my favorite race in concept, but somehow, sc2's redition of them just kinda disgusted me, idk why, it seem like they butchered play.

 

[Aslit]

U have show u dont know anything (banelings vs marines)
and i didnt get the account cheese thing

 

[Rui]

I was playing "Burning Tide" today, which, for those who don't know it, is a map similar to the campaign scenario "The Devil's Playground", on Redstone III, first of the Covert line missions, in which the winners are the first of the two teams of three players that manage to gather 15.000 minerals, with the additional possibility of eliminating your enemy (the melee techtrees are available), it is currently a featured map on, at least, Europe. Given that, in this map, players are limited to an initial base with only 7 mineral fields and a single Vespene Geyser (8 fields and 2 geysers are available in melee), and, as such, the conditions of playing are different, you'll take of this story an example, or not.I found it fun to play as Zerg, which I usually don't play because of this horrible track called Zerg 7 (you can find retail tracks on YouTube, luckily this map stops the music every once in a while) -- who would have known that music could be a reason not to play a race --, because of all the annoying moves possible with Metabolic Boosted Zerglings. Anyway, with only a single Vespene Geyser available per expansion, you don't see a lot of high tier units. So by the end of the game, my allies had been defeated, and I was next to a ball of over 20 Marines. I had little less than 20 Zerglings, 5 Hydralisks, 3 Roaches, and your so-hated Banelings. Guess what, Banelings were my salvation; the Marines just fell in a mass of green acid.Later, the enemy attacked again, this time with 5 Siege Tanks and a few Medivacs. I had previously used the ramp for a line of sight advantage, I attacked when he was climbing it up. This time, he was smarter and deployed his Siege Tanks in a range that would have hit my army if I had attempted the same move. So I retreated back to my Hive, and waited until he moved his Siege Tanks to attack (I had an Overlord nearby). Again, the Marines fell easily to the Banelings, and the four Hydralisks that survived destroyed the tanks.I played another game later and, again, I had enemies who massed Marines. I must have had over 20 Zerglings, but I had no Banelings. Fortunately, I had a Baneling Nest and I had researched Centrifugal Hooks just in case, so I ordered a few Zerglings to mutate. A few seconds later, my Baneling Nest had been destroyed. In spite of having 2/2 upgrades and the Marines having 0/0, Combat Shields, and Stimpack, my Zerglings fell ridiculously easy to the Marines. I ordered the few that were still alive back, along with a Roach or two, just as the Banelings had finished hatching. And again the Marine ball fell acidified.
You can't send Banelings in a pack without Centrifugal Hooks in an area without creep and hope they reach the enemy, like most people do. I made sure my Zerglings were alive because if they weren't, the Stimpacked Marines would have been completely free to target the Banelings, and I would have been lucky if I had killed 3 or 4. The trick is to get as many advantages as possible, such as line of sight (ramps) and creep.Then again, I was lucky that the Terran didn't move his units, and this was in a game without Marauders. I imagine that in the normal game and against a more skilled player this would go differently, and I would have no idea what to do then, so, like I said, you'll take of this story the lesson you want, but this is just to say that Banelings are not completely useless, like you seem to be claiming they are.

 

[PurplePoot]

Ctrl+M to toggle music.

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I just made about 20 marines and then mass Orbital Command expanded in that game.

 

[Rui]

That stops the music completely. And the 6 Zerg tracks that initially came with the Beta are good. I like listening to Starcraft music while playing =(

 

[Dark Hunter1357]

@Rui Supprisingly banelings kill thors easier then lings, if they are mass thors, because a link will die before it does 20 damage, while a baneling does 20 damage instantly. Masses of banelings will kill marauders too, but you need about 20 banelings to kill a marine marauder army.

In that game i just spammed hatcheries everywhere. It worked.

That stops the music completely. And the 6 Zerg tracks that initially came with the Beta are good. I like listening to Starcraft music while playing =(

You can play it with another program?

 

[Aslit]

u could download it the use any program

 

[mrzwach]

Masses of banelings will kill marauders too, but you need about 20 banelings to kill a marine marauder army.

Not if the person using the marauders uses them properly.

 

[dsbn]

Terran. They have the coolest units too in SC Gundam.

 

[Dragon9560]

protoss because of their collosus and thier stalkers (PROBES!)(ARE COOL!) and awesome looking

 

[Shockwaver]

Protoss coz I love their shiny buildings and I love to rush enemies with Photon Cannons