Warcraft III - Fall of Draenor

[lightning brigade]

GIMP is my homedog.
EDIT:On a side note, I understand garshillan uses paint.net.(This is me just pointing out stuff)

 

[dab]

GIMP is my homedog.
EDIT:On a side note, I understand garshillan uses paint.net.(This is me just pointing out stuff)

Great! You can even supply me with .psd files then!

EDIT: Could you create one for me?

 

[lightning brigade]

Of the Picture? Sure!

 

[lightning brigade]

Sending by pm. Also, there's a logo on the draenor picture and I'm not quite sure how to use the sampler tool to imitate the texture.(it's a totally different type of art than the cartoonish drawing tool for GIMP. Anyways, here is your picture.

 

[dab]

Yeah"!

EDIT: Didn't make it much better... You got the footage? Can use that instead then.

 

[lightning brigade]

Why don't we also translate the mod into several other possible language(I don't think blizzard allows you to translate a map written in english to another language). It would give an issue with voicing, but I would read another language with enough feeling if I knew what it meant. Anyway, think about it for a patch if we get this done. Let's not overcomplicate this now.

 

[ikillforeyou]

Do you still need dranai buildings? there's a good pack here.

http://www.wc3c.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=22825&d=1174756499

 

[AIagremm]

ikillforyou, we are making a mod. We cannot use models made for public usage. We must make models ourselves. Plus I really dislike those models because they were made using Tempest keep architecture, while we will make buildings which will use actual draenei architecture.

lightning brigade, of course we will translate the mod. Voices actually dont need to be translated.

 

[thecheesaman]

Possible idea for arakkoa mabye they all have an ability like Blink that instantly takes them back to one of their buildings. For balance though make them a far weaker race.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Interesting map,I can see a great project coming out

Especially the theme,its the best thing about it .

 

[AIagremm]

Its a mod actually. Thanks! ^^

thecheeseman, I fought about their unic feature, however teleportation isnt one of their skills. I think that they would rather have Alchemy skill that would for example give them poison attacks.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Its a mod actually. Thanks! ^^

thecheeseman, I fought about their unic feature, however teleportation isnt one of their skills. I think that they would rather have Alchemy skill that would for example give them poison attacks.

I mentioned a project,not a map

But wow ,that really means a lot of work !

 

[AIagremm]

Indeed. But we already have some models and almost finished draenei UI.

 

[thecheesaman]

do we have images for victory screen?

 

[AIagremm]

No, however this is planned to be made along with loading screens.

 

[lightning brigade]

ikillforyou, we are making a mod. We cannot use models made for public usage. We must make models ourselves. Plus I really dislike those models because they were made using Tempest keep architecture, while we will make buildings which will use actual draenei architecture.

I'd like to point out that while tk is naaru architect, drainie use similar architect as naaru since they are using the naaru's technology. Just you know, putting that out there.

@Alagremm: It's unique, not unic, sorry for being kinda know-it-allish

Also, if you want loadingscreen pics done me and I guess dab will get right on it, and as I said be4, I'd like to do the loadscreens(or help I guess since dab seems to know more about photo editing than me, I'm just the guy with the all-purpose GIMP, he's actually the one using photoshop.)

 

[AIagremm]

Draenei use naaru-like architecture in WoW since they took control of one satellite of Tempest Keep. In our timeline they had normal architecture.

Hm, this might be a good idea.

 

[Deolrin]

Alagremm, I think that you will get more 3D and 2D artists if you will show more scripted work and general progress. Like, show some screenshots of a custom melee map with at least one of the new races in the middle of a game. Show some abilities, coding, what's unique and different in the mod, and generally show us that this is not going to be another suck-ish altered melee map with lots of custom models and even a campaign.

 

[AIagremm]

Serisouly dont know what to say.

 

[Deolrin]

How do you mean? :S

 

[AIagremm]

I had an idea to make a Laughing Skull mini-race(since we have ogres and orcish buildings), on a terokkar map with the terokkar trees we made.

 

[Deolrin]

Hmm? So, just as I thought. You only care about the aesthetics. If you wont have Arrakoa models right now, you wont be able to make the Arrakoa race, trigger-wise, concept-wise, and techtree-wise(not just names, but full stats, like Blizzard did on this page).

 

[AIagremm]

Wow this is impressive. Well right now we have cavman's donated arakkoa models(similar to those in model section), but we still need to modify them.

 

[supertoinkz]

guys, I just made a ogre magi and a tatoo-less ogre texture
well, they are just simple, but the big part is, our 2d artists can base all of the ogre skins to that tatoo-less texture. rawr

hope it helps :>

also Alagremm, about the orcish farm, I am still making it, but I got exams, so gotta focus more on studying

 

[AIagremm]

Of course. Hm, the skins are intriguing.
I think we should make the ogre slave untatooed, since he doesnt have any status in ogre society.

 

[Deolrin]

You are entirely missing my point.

 

[AIagremm]

No, I understand, plus the worst part is that you're completely right.

 

[Deolrin]

But what I mean is, is that you have to stop caring so much so for models et cetera. If you could make a gameplay work-in-progress of the Arrakoa, with basic Warcraft III models(hell, you could just use the Human Peasant or Orcish Peon for all of the units) or another race right now, without any custom models... I will respect you. If you could make it stand from the original game. Make something unique. Change the way you gather resources. Re-invent the Hero System. Make some unique triggered abilities. Then you will be respected. I assure you, placeholder models do not hurt. You will get many more fans and people who would like to help you with your project if you will do so.

 

[AIagremm]

Brilliant idea! Though Im bad in triggers.
However you gave me inspiration about unique features.
Since none of our races will use blight or spirits as workers, we will have to figure out totally new ways of HP regeneration, building territory, resource gathering and other unic features.

 

[Bernkastel]

Probably there could be ores on some rocky places near mountains and stuff.. So from those piles you could gather gold or something like that.. Or the resource: ''Gold'' could be changed into crystals which i see pretty regular in the some parts of Draenor like Terokkar Forest and Apexis Fields

 

[AIagremm]

I too had idea of making crystal ores instead of mines. Hm...

 

[Deolrin]

Well, if you're bad at triggering, you certainly do have to find someone who's good at triggers and is willing to help you.

 

[AIagremm]

What is most hard is creating something completely new.
For example resource gathering. As everything else you see no other variants, except the ones that are already used, but if you think very hard you will see that there are countless other variants, that just need to be understood.

 

[Bernkastel]

Just got random idea.. What if some ogre units would be able to grab their opponents and smack them to the ground dealing an direct amount of damage?

 

[AIagremm]

Smack? Could be a good ability for some ogre unit.

 

[Bernkastel]

The silent voice of the night fills the thread of FoD....

 

[AIagremm]

Why the strange poetry mood?

 

[Bernkastel]

Poetry... Me? Haha- I'm mostly anti poetry

 

[AIagremm]

Anyway, any brilliant ideas that will make FoD unic?

 

[Deolrin]

What is most hard is creating something completely new.
For example resource gathering. As everything else you see no other variants, except the ones that are already used, but if you think very hard you will see that there are countless other variants, that just need to be understood.

I recommend the Race-building Contests at WC3C for inspiration. Almost each race had it own resource-gathering system.

 

[AIagremm]

Hm... I admire race-builders. I will probably check it tomorrow.

 

[lightning brigade]

But what I mean is, is that you have to stop caring so much so for models et cetera. If you could make a gameplay work-in-progress of the Arrakoa, with basic Warcraft III models(hell, you could just use the Human Peasant or Orcish Peon for all of the units) or another race right now, without any custom models... I will respect you. If you could make it stand from the original game. Make something unique. Change the way you gather resources. Re-invent the Hero System. Make some unique triggered abilities. Then you will be respected. I assure you, placeholder models do not hurt. You will get many more fans and people who would like to help you with your project if you will do so.

Who's doing this? I will maybe(if dab's doing loadingscreens) I'm sorry I seem so eager, but I really am looking for a part in this whole thing, the question is, what should I do? Alagremm what do you think my job should be?

Okay, I just read the posts above mine and I think I have two solutions, for one problem: Soundboards, which will allow us to imitate the voices of the blizzard voice actors(I heard it from a friend so I dunno where to find one you speak into). Anyway, there are ways to create environment regeneration through triggers(it's a check if the unit is standing on a terrain type(condition). If you want I can create a race shell, it'll be up to someone else to create the dummy units and triggers that'll make our units interesting. Once I have the units I will export the and pm the pastebin link to alagremm.

 

[thecheesaman]

Mabye there could be different resorces on different tile sets.

 

[dab]

Who's doing this? I will maybe(if dab's doing loadingscreens) I'm sorry I seem so eager, but I really am looking for a part in this whole thing, the question is, what should I do? Alagremm what do you think my job should be?

Okay, I just read the posts above mine and I think I have two solutions, for one problem: Soundboards, which will allow us to imitate the voices of the blizzard voice actors(I heard it from a friend so I dunno where to find one you speak into). Anyway, there are ways to create environment regeneration through triggers(it's a check if the unit is standing on a terrain type(condition). If you want I can create a race shell, it'll be up to someone else to create the dummy units and triggers that'll make our units interesting. Once I have the units I will export the and pm the pastebin link to alagremm.

I don't mind being on loading screens, even though I am a bit busy these days, due to CoD6(extremely off-topic, but thought i might as well explain my absence)

 

[AIagremm]

I was thinking of resource gathering stuff. Here are some of my ideas:
Arakkoa - Initiate(Worker) has an ability to cut lumber. He chooses one tree and uses the ability on it. The spell puts a spirit bird(similar in invinsiblity to the owl thingy huntress' summon)on a tree to collect lumber. Initiate is free to go but he cannot use the ability until the tree is destroyed. The tree doesnt get destroyed by the bird spirit. If the tree with the spirit is destroyed Initiate can use the ability again. If Initiate is killed the spirit disappears.
Ogre - they will have some sort of unit with an axe that will be able to cut lumber. I was inspired by supertoinkz's idea. If you build a Blacksmith there is an ability in it similar to Sacrifise - it transforms the Slave into the axe guy.
Draenei - Im still not sure. I thought what to use for their mining. I ended up with some sort of hanuted gold mine. You put workers inside. Some sort of summoned units appear and carry gold to the town hall. The more workers are in the mine the more summoned units bring gold in the town hall. However it seems to be just a modified version of Haunted Gold Mine.

Also, I invented a few new abilities and understood the importance of a mage unit for draenei.

 

[lightning brigade]

I was thinking of resource gathering stuff. Here are some of my ideas:
Arakkoa - Initiate(Worker) has an ability to cut lumber. He chooses one tree and uses the ability on it. The spell puts a spirit bird(similar in invinsiblity to the owl thingy huntress' summon)on a tree to collect lumber. Initiate is free to go but he cannot use the ability until the tree is destroyed. The tree doesnt get destroyed by the bird spirit. If the tree with the spirit is destroyed Initiate can use the ability again. If Initiate is killed the spirit disappears.
Ogre - they will have some sort of unit with an axe that will be able to cut lumber. I was inspired by supertoinkz's idea. If you build a Blacksmith there is an ability in it similar to Sacrifise - it transforms the Slave into the axe guy.
Draenei - Im still not sure. I thought what to use for their mining. I ended up with some sort of hanuted gold mine. You put workers inside. Some sort of summoned units appear and carry gold to the town hall. The more workers are in the mine the more summoned units bring gold in the town hall. However it seems to be just a modified version of Haunted Gold Mine.

Also, I invented a few new abilities and understood the importance of a mage unit for draenei.

Do u want a sample of a race to go by alagremm? I'm doing it for a campaign and it's not that unique with the gathering(it could be but I feel like it's good enough since it's got a very particular gathering theme that a modded version of the original harvest ability suits well.) Anyways, for the drainie, they should haunt the gold mine, but there should only be one slot. The drainie can stand on that spot and turn on an autocast ability or use an ability with say a 3 second cooldown that produces 30 gold. But, since drainie predominantly build wooden structures(is that right?) they can have a ghoul harvest ability that allows them to harvest only lumber and their society uses more lumber than gold. Sounds Good?

 

[AIagremm]

If you want, you can send it.
Gold should be the main resource, regardless of race. Why would undead in WCIII need gold? Also, your gold gathering idea is to powerful.

 

[Joss]

Well, I'm happy to say i'm back after about an, oh, say, 2 1/2 month hiatus.

Please forgive me, but I've been extremely busy, and I'll even explain my abscence;

Internet was epic pwnzored
Basketball is eating up my life
School is heating up with early trig
Social life getting much better
Computer getting older

I hope to be of use once again; however, it seems I am in need of a job to do...

Also, on a side note, its meh berfday today!

 

[AIagremm]

Happy B-Day! ^^

 

[Joss]

Thank you, Alagremm.

I do, as I said, need something to do that will help out the team and the FoD project. Got anything in mind, Alagremm?