Stormknight, I think we all largely agree that this is a bad thing. And we agree they should not do it. And no one is saying you don't have the right to complain about it, either way; plenty of us are, too. And pushing back against Blizzard doing stuff like this will, hopefully, discourage them from doing it again.
I think the pushback
you're receiving here has more to do with the moralistic/ethical slant of your complaints; that Blizzard "cannot" do this & "must" fix it, that "they promised in 2018 it would 'just work'!", that there's some eternal obligation upon developers to never fail to maintain backwards compatibility. That anyone who disagrees with you must not care about old maps or compatibility.
I completely agree all of those things would be nice, and will fight for them to be so. But I'm not going to rail against Blizzard as if they've committed some moral trespass. And I'm not under any delusions that they will do it forever, or even the next ~10 years. 2018 was (brace yourself
)
7 years ago. That's longer than the gap between v1.26 & v1.27 (a full 5-year radio silence where we just assumed Warcraft 3 was, for all intents & purposes, 'dead'). And the guys who said that in 2018 are long gone.
I'm actually shocked with the nature of your reply, but in a curious way. Reading it almost sounds like the guy you're replying to wrote something very different than what i actually wrote, Later i ended up understanding why would that be but for now there is room to elaborate. The first thing that caught me offguard is that ~ i'm getting pushback ? other than some banter earlier i didn't see much of that. And Vibe well he was just looking at backwards and forwards compatbility from the wrong angle.
The first and biggest half of my post is just explaining a detail that people might get wrong about Warcraft 3. And then i end up going into more semantical stuff with my 2018 comment, but while your reply to me is trying to calm me down (in a good way), you do also glance over the interesting detail that in 2024 or 2025 was it ? Blizzard after (like you point out) 7 years... put out a youtube video basically claiming similar absurd things
without holding themselves up to it. For the second time
. Maybe that's why i put both of those together in one post, trying to get people to think how long has it been without Blizzard changing. I do not have an absolutist stance on maintaining backward compatibility, because number changes and description changes are up to the mapmaker to update. We have a system in the world editor that changes the games dataset, if people want to use the latest stuff they need to put up with the latest changes numerically. That's all well and good, The position i have is the
bare minimum request for Blizzard to not change fundmental core functions of abilities or units (scale and visuals included)
that we cant escape from no matter what dataset we choose. Creating a compatibility problem that infects all maps modern or old. And it isn't just editted abilities that impact this. Its the implementation of Zoom, Hotkeys, HUDUI scale aswell.
On the flip side. I absolutely think we need to push Blizzard so that they feel like they have an obligation to care about custom mapmakers plights more, and i will never stop pushing for that. The amount of people who see custom games as "other" and not a part of Warcraft 3's main service is increasing at a greater rate than people who dont think so. Even if the former benefit from custom games being such a big part of the game without really thinking about it too much. The problem is Blizzard is a part of the former when they shouldn't be, if you think i'm moral grandstanding by saying after 25 bloodsoaking years Blizzard should see Custom Games and maps as important as melee then i'll be moral grandstanding until the heat death of the universe.
Let's fight for what we want, what would be best for our community. But let's not pretend we're any different than fans of any other game out there. And let's not attack strawmen of each other.
It took me some time and i'm not sure if i understood it correctly, but i think what happened was that my last paragraph, a paragraph i absolutely stand behind by the way, ended up sounding like i'm saying Vibe or you for example are
that person. But this is not reality, think about it, why would i call you, Vibe or anyone else who've (in your case and many others like Footie, Grapes, Kam and more) been right there in the bugreporting war as careless about the average mapmaker, in truth i wrote that comment for very specific people, they know who they are.
However the way in which i just dumped it at the bottom of my post reads like i'm attacking everyone. I apologize for that.
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