unlimited tileset?

[hwane9595]

is there a way to have more than just 16 tiles in a set? I really want more than just 16 tiles. Because some RPG maps have '60~70' tiles. I do have jngp and use Extension -> Edit tiles.

 

[Hermit]

Maybe you could use models (simple planes) with different textures, and place them as tiles.

 

[Solu9]

You can trigger tile creation.

• Environment - Change terrain type at (Center of (Playable map area)) to Barrens - Pebbles using variation -1 in an area of size 52 and shape Square

-1 means that the tile is randomized.

 

[Xonok]

You can trigger tile creation.

• Environment - Change terrain type at (Center of (Playable map area)) to Barrens - Pebbles using variation -1 in an area of size 52 and shape Square

-1 means that the tile is randomized.

This way does not break the limit of 16 tiles.

 

[Solu9]

This way does not break the limit of 16 tiles.

No. But it is a work around.
By triggering the terrain you can use every tile in the game.

 

[Xonok]

I recommend JNGPE for that, although both ways work.

 

[Solu9]

I recommend JNGPE for that, although both ways work.

But the 16 tile limit is already with JNGPE.

 

[Xonok]

But the 16 tile limit is already with JNGPE.

Yes, just as it is if you trigger the terrain. The difference is that with JNGPE you can make the terrain as usual (in editor).

 

[Solu9]

I was positive that if triggered you could use all terrain types in the same map.
However after testing it, it sure seems like the 16 tile limit still applies.

 

[aple]

There's a third way to get around tileset limit. Normal WC3 editor has it's own limit, JNGPE lets you use up to...I think 100 tiles? Not sure.

But, you could also modify your Terrain.slk in War3patch.mpq and remove the texture space that each tileset takes. (I think that would work, anyway. Not tested this.)

The actual amount of tiles used doesn't really seem to effect much in-game, as JNGPE can demonstrate. So theoretically, doing this, you should be able to use literally every single tile in one map.

 

[WerBackIII]

There's a third way to get around tileset limit. Normal WC3 editor has it's own limit, JNGPE lets you use up to...I think 100 tiles? Not sure.

But, you could also modify your Terrain.slk in War3patch.mpq and remove the texture space that each tileset takes. (I think that would work, anyway. Not tested this.)

The actual amount of tiles used doesn't really seem to effect much in-game, as JNGPE can demonstrate. So theoretically, doing this, you should be able to use literally every single tile in one map.

Even if it works, you'd need a custom executable for this method.

 

[aple]

Even if it works, you'd need a custom executable for this method.

I wouldn't think so, just modify the Terrain.slk, replace the one in War3patch.mpq, and it should work. I see no reason for it not to. Although I haven't tested it myself, but I have done something similar using UnitAckSounds.slk, where I have created entirely new unit soundsets.

Except with this, I'm pretty sure the WC3 editor is the only thing that references the texture sizes for tiles, and they are not actually used in-game. So if you just set everything to 0 in the SLK (GRANTED: This is assuming that those fields to set to 0 are even in Terrain.slk, like I said I have not tested this!) all your maps will be totally fine with anybodies WarCraft III.

 

[edo494]

there is no way to use more than 16 tiles in one map, because the map file can only hold 16 tilesets at most. Tilesets are saved in the map file(.w3m/.w3x), and unless you create new binary that will run the game, you will not force the default wc3 to read more than 16 tilesets. If you try to input manually more than 16, the map will most likely become corrupted(wc3 will not be able to load things properly anymore)

 

[HungryHusky]

There's a third way to get around tileset limit. Normal WC3 editor has it's own limit, JNGPE lets you use up to...I think 100 tiles? Not sure.

100 tiles?!?! Is this true? I've never been able to select more than 16 at maximum. Is it possible to get more than 16?

 

[WaterKnight]

@aple: The game does not load the Terrain.slk, only the editor uses it. The environment file (w3e) stores half a byte (4 bits = 16 combinations) to identify a terrain node. The game works with 16 slots as well.

 

[Xonok]

Atm there are 2 known workarounds to the limit.

1. A custom tile that contains many different ones as variations.
2. Doodads that look like tiles and can be formed with terrain tools somehow. (I don't grasp Talavaj's technique)

 

[aple]

100 tiles?!?! Is this true? I've never been able to select more than 16 at maximum. Is it possible to get more than 16?

Probably not 100, I was just making a random guess. I haven't used JNGPE in a while.

I don't know, I mean just. Look at Azeroth Wars, that game definitely uses more then 16 tiles.

 

[hwane9595]

thank you for all reply

 

[edo494]

you can use images or doodads/destructables for the ground, and yes Ive noticed AW has more than 16 "tiles"