Through Snow and Ice v.2.4

[Darkfang]

No problem, Warchief Aeon. I will put the custom races to my map in october because i need to study a lot. I hope your computer will be ok.

What is your race, Darkfang? Please send it to me in a pm (the model file, icons, details, etc.) . It might be interesting. Yes i think yours will be good.

ill upload my map the next week, there you might see it. My race is the blood elves, and demons (later ill upload the naga, the forsaken, and the trolls). Though i still need to fix the building style to match with wow.

Dont listen to Rysnt when he talks about murguls in a separated race, the murguls are used by the naga as slave warriors

 

[Locwar]

Just 2 quick things I noticed after playing this map;

1: The demon hero for the Undead is quite overpowered, I am not sure if this is intentional or not, but divine armor for a hero is a bit powerful

2: the bloodlust spell for the Wild Sorcerer has three levels but the tooltop does not reflect change.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Just 2 quick things I noticed after playing this map;

1: The demon hero for the Undead is quite overpowered, I am not sure if this is intentional or not, but divine armor for a hero is a bit powerful

2: the bloodlust spell for the Wild Sorcerer has three levels but the tooltop does not reflect change.

Many thanks that you told me these things about my map. I will fix the undead hero and reduce its agility.
And i will fix the bloodlust's tooltip, too.

 

[Darkfang]

Many thanks that you told me these things about my map. I will fix the undead hero and reduce its agility.
And i will fix the bloodlust's tooltip, too.

and take out divine armor. Also fix his spells cause he is a super bug. Remember setiing camp vision for creeps, and please check the description of your units and spells.
Uh and you used my death rune icon for your death aura. You should put a passive version on it when it is working. also change the tooltip to death aura and put the explination. Else it should be only a life degeneration aura.

I have a proposition for you:
Obsidian Aura: Decreases the mana regeneration of the hero while active but degenerates nearby enemies. You can do that with immolation for tooltip trigger order activation, and fix it with trigger add/remove ability. Also check for a model for the aura of the obsidian overlord. And please fix his abilities. e,e

 

[Locwar]

Another thing I've found is that the Precious Treasure of Spiccirius drops off of other mobs, I found that it had dropped off one of the level 8 Ice revenants, and a Tuskar chieftan. I also reccomend fixing the tooltip on that item just to make the game more clean

Being able to acquire more than one of the "Unique" items from the last boss by just killing normal creeps almost renders killing the dragon pointless.

Another thing that could be fixed is that some heroes have no food cost, I only really saw it in the custom heroes such as the Chaplain, Ranger, or Snow Queen.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Many thanks both of you. I will fix these things. I have already fixed them.
Anyway. Locwar, thatks for your rep+!
So i fixed the food costs. I will fix the Spirricius item, too and its tooltip. I will fix its name and category ,too.
I already fixed the divine armor and the warlock's abilities.
Yes, your aura icon is cool and i will fix it to the passive version. Why are the Obsisians Overlord's abilities are so bad?
I will look at the races in your map, Darkfang, i hope i will like it.
Well, in the ability (aura) triggers you should help me, i am new to triggerings.

Anyway, do you like playing my map?

 

[Darkfang]

Many thanks both of you. I will fix these things. I have already fixed them.
Anyway. Locwar, thatks for your rep+!
So i fixed the food costs. I will fix the Spirricius item, too and its tooltip. I will fix its name and category ,too.
I already fixed the divine armor and the warlock's abilities.
Yes, your aura icon is cool and i will fix it to the passive version. Why are the Obsisians Overlord's abilities are so bad?
I will look at the races in your map, Darkfang, i hope i will like it.
Well, in the ability (aura) triggers you should help me, i am new to triggerings.

Anyway, do you like playing my map?

Yes, but it needs fixes, you should add the modes urgently. Try fixing the creep camps. Else you might like my map (when i upload it). Try fixing the powers. there are powers that are really easy to make, others not so much. When a map picks up fame you can easily gain help from triggerers and spell makers. And the obsidian Overlord is really bad for a hero. It makes no sense at all.

Should you fix the hero for something that makes sense.
Remember the obsidians consume great amounts of magic to gain it for them selves. The obsidian should be a hero of low intelligence but greater mana capacity (each power level should increase the mana capacity). I may do an example hero and show it to you later. I dont have space in my map to excede the number of custom models i can import.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Yes, but it needs fixes, you should add the modes urgently. Try fixing the creep camps. Else you might like my map (when i upload it). Try fixing the powers. there are powers that are really easy to make, others not so much. When a map picks up fame you can easily gain help from triggerers and spell makers. And the obsidian Overlord is really bad for a hero. It makes no sense at all.

Should you fix the hero for something that makes sense.
Remember the obsidians consume great amounts of magic to gain it for them selves. The obsidian should be a hero of low intelligence but greater mana capacity (each power level should increase the mana capacity). I may do an example hero and show it to you later. I dont have space in my map to excede the number of custom models i can import.

Thanks again, Darkfang. I will fix the creep camps and fix the Obsidian Overlord, too.
So would you help me with some cool spells and auras for my map? Because i am new to triggering.
I think the Death Aura is good for the Obsidian hero. It reduces HP and speed of the enemy units. And i will make an ability for it, which heals friendly units very fast. And from level 6, he summons a powerful Obsidian unit (i will look for the model), so it will be much better like that.

 

[marko9]

I think its just a litle bit unbalanced...but its good

 

[Mgeterno11]

Thanks, marko9.
Why is it a bit inbalanced? Please tell me which things should i fix?
The heroes are powerful enough. And the creeps are strong, but this is the challenge in this map.
I fixed all the bugs in the game. But why are the disable icons are still green cause i imported the disable icon, too.

 

[Darkfang]

Thanks, marko9.
Why is it a bit inbalanced? Please tell me which things should i fix?
The heroes are powerful enough. And the creeps are strong, but this is the challenge in this map.
I fixed all the bugs in the game. But why are the disable icons are still green cause i imported the disable icon, too.

Cause you need to import a disabled version for the DISPAS too.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Yes, i know it, thanks.
And marko9, why my map is a bit inbalanced? Please tell me that and i will make my map much better. I am trying to do my best.

For everyone: the poll will be closed soon and i think the 3rd choice will win. (To win you have to kill Spirricius but you will have enemies.)

 

[Locwar]

Oh I have one quick thing to say, it doesnt have to do with the map ingame, but as far as downloading it could you have versions of the map.

Ex:v1.1a
and when you patch it update the version to 1.1b

It just makes it much easier to know if I have the map up to date.

 

[Darkfang]

Indeed, he should make that. Hey by the weekend i may upload my map. Maybe you can take some powers from there if i send u a non closed version. Though my map is heavily modified e,e.... and im still awainting for the race selector T.T

 

[Mgeterno11]

Yea, good idea, many thanks both of you. I already made that.
Darkfang, i will try your map and i think i will like it.

 

[Darkfang]

Yea, good idea, many thanks both of you. I already made that.
Darkfang, i will try your map and i think i will like it.

hope so, ive lost all the strings of my map and i have to retook an old version i saved for any case. (ive lost 3 days of work)

 

[Rufus]

A very nice terrain! But i expected it to be more custom units. BTW spirricus is a little bit to easy to defeat.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Many thanks, Rufus. Yes, i am planing to add much mroe custom units and heroes to my map, even more custom races e.g. Naga, Demon and Blood Elf.
I will set Spirricius' HP to 7000 to become more hard to kill.

 

[rysnt11]

Mgeterno, i would like to suggest to increase the armor of that 'deathwing' to about 60 or so, and increase the attack delay time of him to 2 or 2.5s, oh, and increase the damage dealt by him too if you planning on increasing the attack delay

 

[Mgeterno11]

Mgeterno, i would like to suggest to increase the armor of that 'deathwing' to about 60 or so, and increase the attack delay time of him to 2 or 2.5s, oh, and increase the damage dealt by him too if you planning on increasing the attack delay

Thanks, rysnt11. Yes, it is a good idea to make him stronger and i think i will add some abilities for it.

For everyone, the poll is now closed. So to win you have to kill Spirricius but you will have enemies.

 

[Rufus]

Many thanks, Rufus. Yes, i am planing to add much mroe custom units and heroes to my map, even more custom races e.g. Naga, Demon and Blood Elf.
I will set Spirricius' HP to 7000 to become more hard to kill.

That is good! Especially the thing with the races.

 

[Darkfang]

wait to add them. Cause my map hasnt been accepted. Im going to upload it again with all the fixes the next weekend

 

[Mgeterno11]

Thanks Rufus. And Darkfang, do not worry, i will wait and i will look at your map. I am too busy so i cannot put the triggers in.

 

[Darkfang]

xD, im doing the relich system so i think may be in a week or two it will be ready. Im bussy with the university too e,e"!

 

[Mgeterno11]

No problem, good luck with the university. I am really patient next weekend is high school again.

Please revies my map. There are already 3024 downloads and hardly any comments.

 

[Darkfang]

hey, you took out the dust of appereance from the undead relic tomb

 

[Mgeterno11]

hey, you took out the dust of appereance from the undead relic tomb

Oh, many thanks that you informed me about this, Darkfang.
I have already fixed this and i did not removed this item. The reasom was i made this map before patch 1.24 came out so i forgot to update the relic tomb. So it is fixed. Thanks again, mate.

 

[Ras]

This map need some AI, only editing some of the heros and % (for the cpu controll more heroes tan the 4 basics)

the hero of the humans "paladin" like a templar have the same abilities of the paladin (normal) you can add some damage spells for a templar

You can capture (the power of the dragon hawk) spirricus and for this is easy to kill hem

 

[Darkfang]

This map need some AI, only editing some of the heros and % (for the cpu controll more heroes tan the 4 basics)

the hero of the humans "paladin" like a templar have the same abilities of the paladin (normal) you can add some damage spells for a templar

You can capture (the power of the dragon hawk) spirricus and for this is easy to kill hem

For sure, though this map still has terraining issues, and though he will do well on adding some better spells to his map. Ill help him later when i have time to myself u.u, but i must admit that the concept is good, Though he will do well if he starts asking for help in the request forum and in the description of his map, so he can get a team.

 

[Mgeterno11]

This map need some AI, only editing some of the heros and % (for the cpu controll more heroes tan the 4 basics)

the hero of the humans "paladin" like a templar have the same abilities of the paladin (normal) you can add some damage spells for a templar

You can capture (the power of the dragon hawk) spirricus and for this is easy to kill hem

Thanks for your review, diegokopo. i am trying to make the best in this map. I am planning to add the AI code and trigger, but i am too busy to make it. I am planning to add custom races to it, when i have time, of course.

I have already fixed the Templar's abilities.

How Spirricius can be captured? He is above level 20. What you mean about the dragon hawk? Maybe the Daelchas dragon?

Darkfang, i am trying to do my best. You gave me a great idea: i will post the triggering requests to the request forum. But what are the terraining issues?

 

[Kl3sk]

Kl3sk Reviews : Through Snow and Ice
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Version : 1.03c
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Map Type :
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Description : 2/5 (lacking)

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Mediocre. You used BB codes, but the over-all aspect of the description isn't really pleasant. Here is an example of a good description...but then again, it's up to the author how he wants to introduce potential players to his map.

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In-Game Review
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Terrain
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Though probably not the best looking or well executed, it is a desolate wasteland of snow, as one could expect. One complaint though : why, of all things, did you have to place a FIRE dragon , surrounded by floating baren rocks, in such a map ? It blows the whole theme right off. Also, this dragon..."borrowed" from Astral II, by any chance ?...originality at its best. (3/5)

Models
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Starting with the creeps, custom models balance out with regular W3 ones at around 40/60 , but certain hero models look quite nice. A few custom hero models are also seen for each race and some nice gateways as well. Nothing special, but a good touch. (4/5)

Icons
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I like the addition of custom icons to the new heroes (but that's about it as far as imported icons go). Old heroes , units = same icons. (3/5)

Skills
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I'm a little disappointed. I'll state the two reasons :

1- Originality : absent. The "new" heroes you added are ...I can't even understand where you were going with this, but you simply took several old , classic W3 heroes, changed their models and changed one of their regular skills from their default skill-set...this...makes...no...sense!
2- Practical reasons : related to the first point I made, your lack of originality also plays a role in game-play. For example : For what practical reason would you take the basic "Unholy Aura" ability (grants health regeneration and increases movement speed) and turn it into "Death Aura" (decreases enemies' life regenerations as well as their movement speed) whilst still keeping the previous skill for your "new heroes". You have spells / skills like > Finger of Death ; > Rain of Fire ; > Fan of Knives, etc. that have barely been touched, and yet they're added as "new" abilities. But humor me this : even IF this wasn't the case, why duplicate the same skill and paste it on another hero ? How much sense does that make ? (1/5)

Misc
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Though you've customised a lot of models, a few skins here and there and made some mobs dificult to solo without reinforcements, there just isn't a single shred of creativity, originality , or simply put : nothing new to the already vast realm of Altered Melee maps. I will discuss this later in the conclution. (1/5)

Game-Play
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Basic melee / altered melee game-play. You've got your gold mines, trees, waygates, creep camps, etc. ; I'd guess the only "twist" is you have to slay a huge dragon situated in the bottom right corner of the map, near a floating baren wasteland that doesn't blend in at all. It IS a challenge, but makes no sense in the world of melee maps. (that's why they're MELEE maps and not RPGs. i.e. : "Comple X task for Y reward" < -- in this case : victory). But enough about that : let's talk about how the map collapses under its own weight. Case in point : the creeps. I don't know what their "aquire target" range is, but if you DARE try to build structures a few pixels farther than you should, and you'll have a whole creep camp raming your ass back to square 1. This is a real issue, as I do not know other melee maps where you aren't allowed to expand due to such ..."inconveniences". My advice : fix it. (2/5)



Do I recommend (Altered) Melee fans to play this ? : Yes (I'm only saying so because it's good for a first run. Enthusiasm quickly plumets into disappointment)

Do I recommend non-(Altered) Melee fans to play this : No (Not worth playing at this point)

Will I play this map again : No (And I'll probably stick by this until real changes are made)


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Final verdict : I'm not sure if you've done this before, but the map itself yells "novice". There's so much more you can do with this, even before calling it a Beta. I call Rejected! (until updated) 2/5

* Foot-note : you may PM me for further enlightment.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Many thanks for that complete excellent review. I really appreciate that.

Yes, i am trying to do my best. But i cannot make abilities with triggers so i will create a thread in the Mad development section, when i have time.
I have already remove the Outland doodads from my map. I will fix the creeps, i will add doodads to them and decrease the acquistion range.

Yoi have given me a great idea! I will customize the 4 old races, change skins, icons and models, and make new mighty units. But i am busy, you know i need to study a lot, so i will make it in the next weekend.

Why is the terrain isn't the best-looking (i mean without the outland doodads), what sould i make to be the best? I will fix that too and more if yuu tell me how to do it much better.

Thanks again. For Vengeancekael, too. Now i know what to do.

 

[Darkfang]

Many thanks for that complete excellent review. I really appreciate that.

Yes, i am trying to do my best. But i cannot make abilities with triggers so i will create a thread in the Mad development section, when i have time.
I have already remove the Outland doodads from my map. I will fix the creeps, i will add doodads to them and decrease the acquistion range.

Yoi have given me a great idea! I will customize the 4 old races, change skins, icons and models, and make new mighty units. But i am busy, you know i need to study a lot, so i will make it in the next weekend.

Why is the terrain isn't the best-looking (i mean without the outland doodads), what sould i make to be the best? I will fix that too and more if yuu tell me how to do it much better.

Thanks again. For Vengeancekael, too. Now i know what to do.

Well, i was actually planning for you to make a fusion of your map with mine, but you can go wherever u want =D

 

[Mgeterno11]

Darkfang, please make that fusion of my map, if you want, i need it. I am too busy now and i need your help, mate.

 

[Kl3sk]

Many thanks for that complete excellent review. I really appreciate that.

Yes, i am trying to do my best. But i cannot make abilities with triggers so i will create a thread in the Mad development section, when i have time.
I have already remove the Outland doodads from my map. I will fix the creeps, i will add doodads to them and decrease the acquistion range.

Yoi have given me a great idea! I will customize the 4 old races, change skins, icons and models, and make new mighty units. But i am busy, you know i need to study a lot, so i will make it in the next weekend.

Why is the terrain isn't the best-looking (i mean without the outland doodads), what sould i make to be the best? I will fix that too and more if yuu tell me how to do it much better.

Thanks again. For Vengeancekael, too. Now i know what to do.

First off, no sweat. I played this map when it was still a Beta but didn't want to review it too early. I saw you were constantly updating it, yet it still needs certain improvements ; And here's what I think should be done :

- About the doodads, fixing the creeps : you DO need something to set your map apart from other altered-melee maps. Some do it via terrain, some by a feature or two / game-play elements ; Most importantly, a stable map is a good map.

- Customizing races : hmm...why not ? After all, I saw you were going for a more vampire-ish theme for the Undead, and a more female / amazon feel with the Night Elves. Let's see what you can do ^^

- The Terrain : It's not "bad", but that's just it - it's pretty bland. The paths and slopes are okay I guess, but it needs a "makeover". I mean, if you took the time to import those models / skins , etc. , why not give the Hive a little search for ice-themed doodads and so on ? Again : the terrain is of no major concern, it's not an RPG or whatever , it would just be nice to make it more appealing. And trust me, when it comes to melee maps, you'll want more eye-candy, or anything else to raise the map's replay value.

That's all. Good luck!

 

[Darkfang]

First off, no sweat. I played this map when it was still a Beta but didn't want to review it too early. I saw you were constantly updating it, yet it still needs certain improvements ; And here's what I think should be done :

- About the doodads, fixing the creeps : you DO need something to set your map apart from other altered-melee maps. Some do it via terrain, some by a feature or two / game-play elements ; Most importantly, a stable map is a good map.

- Customizing races : hmm...why not ? After all, I saw you were going for a more vampire-ish theme for the Undead, and a more female / amazon feel with the Night Elves. Let's see what you can do ^^

- The Terrain : It's not "bad", but that's just it - it's pretty bland. The paths and slopes are okay I guess, but it needs a "makeover". I mean, if you took the time to import those models / skins , etc. , why not give the Hive a little search for ice-themed doodads and so on ? Again : the terrain is of no major concern, it's not an RPG or whatever , it would just be nice to make it more appealing. And trust me, when it comes to melee maps, you'll want more eye-candy, or anything else to raise the map's replay value.

That's all. Good luck!

Well, but first i have to get my map aproved, then i have to send you my database (really heavy) xD.

I want a review from you for my map when i upload it *w*

 

[Mgeterno11]

First off, no sweat. I played this map when it was still a Beta but didn't want to review it too early. I saw you were constantly updating it, yet it still needs certain improvements ; And here's what I think should be done :

- About the doodads, fixing the creeps : you DO need something to set your map apart from other altered-melee maps. Some do it via terrain, some by a feature or two / game-play elements ; Most importantly, a stable map is a good map.

- Customizing races : hmm...why not ? After all, I saw you were going for a more vampire-ish theme for the Undead, and a more female / amazon feel with the Night Elves. Let's see what you can do ^^

- The Terrain : It's not "bad", but that's just it - it's pretty bland. The paths and slopes are okay I guess, but it needs a "makeover". I mean, if you took the time to import those models / skins , etc. , why not give the Hive a little search for ice-themed doodads and so on ? Again : the terrain is of no major concern, it's not an RPG or whatever , it would just be nice to make it more appealing. And trust me, when it comes to melee maps, you'll want more eye-candy, or anything else to raise the map's replay value.

That's all. Good luck!

Thanks, again your review.
I have already fixed the creeps a bit, now they won't attack the base and i fixed the dodaads, too. Of, course, i will lok for some tutorials and more resources.
The terrain is fixed now a bit and i am planning to further remake it, too. But i won't change the paths, i think this is the challenge.
The place where the big dragon is changed, too, but i do not have time to edit it.
I am too busy to make spells with triggers so please help me to paste it to my map, please. I have already made some spells. If the missile in the NE healng spell ( Nature ...) does not work, please fix it for me.
I also imported some models and icons to the races, too and i am palling to add more.

Darkfang, please paste your map again, so i can look at it.
Sorry for not respinding, but i am really busy now.
Here is the link to my edited map and now you can see what changes i made in it: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=roxsit

 

[UndeadImmortal]

You got BAD CRITIQUES in your comment Mgeterno11. ^_^

 

[Mgeterno11]

Version 2.0 Released

The map is now updated with major cnages.

 

[Darkfang]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/deadly-hate-208413/?prev=status=a&u=Darkfang

Here is my map again, take a look at it. My onle advice is to reduce the HEAVY filesize of your map, try not to use so many imported things, it is best if the map can be played by BattleNet

 

[Mgeterno11]

Thanks. The map can be played on Bnet, of course. I will look at your map, Darkfang, and please tell me what is should fix it it.
I will try to reduce the filesize of the map, but don't want to delete the improted things, i need them. I will try to use the Wc3mapomtimizer to reduce the filesize.
EDIT: I have tried to reduce its size with the Optimizer, but it did't helped, actually, it even made the size a bit largers. So it will remain like that, but the loading does not take a long time.

 

[KuWe]

I have tried to reduce its size with the Optimizer, but it did't helped, actually, it even made the size a bit largers.

You used the latest version of Vexorian's Map Optimizer? If so did you tick all the boxes in the program? I mean it has always reduced the filesize of my maps.

Here's a tutorial if you're not sure: http://www.3ice.hu/blog/protect-warcraft-maps/

 

[Mgeterno11]

Many thanks, KuWe. It is working, the size is already smaller, but now, my map is protected.

 

[KuWe]

Untick the "Remove as much WE-only data as possible" in the optimizer and it should not be protected, but then it doesn't reduce the filesize as much. Your choice.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Untick the "Remove as much WE-only data as possible" in the optimizer and it should not be protected.

Thanks again, but i think it would be better if my map stay protected.

 

[sonofjay]

This is the most downloaded and commented PENDING map in Hive

 

[UndeadImmortal]

I have some failures at my spells, Kultiras' Mage's first skill doesn't decrease the attack speed and movement speed of the target enemy unit instead, it increases it, the Icecrown Overlord ultimate skill does not attack, dunno why. I'll try to fix them later

 

[Mgeterno11]

This is the most downloaded and commented PENDING map in Hive

Yes, because it was rejected after the downloads since there were still bugs in my map, but i updated it. So all of the bugs have been fixed then.
UndeadImmortal, many thanks that you told me this and i will send my map in am Pm.
Would someone create a complete review of my map to see what should i fix?

 

[eubz]

Nice, updated again. Good luck man.

 

[Mgeterno11]

Nice, updated again. Good luck man.

Many thanks, eubz. I am really grateful.