-The Ten Lulmandments-

[Elenai]

There have as of late, been many fights, and many grudges that have come from those fights, fights that I shamefully have had major involvement in, even quite recently infact.

I am hoping to make a change for the better, and yes I may be a hypocrite, but I'm a hypocrite willing to do something about it.

apology statement

I apologize for rudeness, arrogance, over reactions, and blatant dis-regard for humility on my part, to all parties who have been wrongfully put under such things

First things first...

"Why are the staff members, and User-Dom always fighting"

I think that it is, as WILLTHEALMIGHTY has said, "Because the HIVE is too serious.", and also because as I and a few others have said, "It is not serious enough."

We are either banning for simple play, or we are being hit with drama-storms, which leads to more fighting, more grudges, more drama, and quite frankly makes the HIVE a mess of a place to want to be in.

I therefore, propose that we work together to find common ground, and form a guide of sorts to follow when it comes to "work, and play", "seriousness, and lulz".

The Ten Lulmandments.


The serious side, and the lulz side, will each come up with five basic rules to follow in regards to work, and play, and discuss peacefully without flaming, trolling, or maliciousness on either side, how these rules will be refined, and how compromises will be made over them, so that the HIVE will be a better place to spend our time, and so that our fights will decrease, and so that the HIVE will become 'closer' as a community.

Again: Follow the Rules while you discuss this, I'd rather NOT see this closed for drama.

Five "Laws" each. Laws for seriousness, and Laws for Lulz.

And try to have fun while you make them, but be somewhat serious about yourselves. And likewise serious people, don't be too serious, and be somewhat lulzy about yourselves.

Just start brainstorming for ways serious people and lulzy people can work together without getting in a fight, so we can turn them into witty little rules.

-Elenai Lefein-

PS: I am doing this as a User, not as a staff member.

 

[Verhalthur]

This is a GREAT idea.
The only problem is the actual RULES.

 

[Pyritie]

I don't see the point of this, tbh

The Ten Lulmandments.

sounds gay

 

[Elenai]

This is a GREAT idea.
The only problem is the actual RULES.

Just brainstorm some ideas, pitch in some thoughts, and discuss them civily so we can turn them into some 'basic line, or quote' and call it a rule.

 

[Zombie]

This is a rather serious question, and a good reply is hard to find. Since I'm not really aware of the recent drama problems, mainly because I'm a person not important enough to get involved, I don't really know what needs to get fixed here.

As far as I'm concerned, every person is different. You simply can't force "lulzy" people to be serious and serious people to be "lulzy", no matter what's in the rules. It would be a forced personality change, which I really don't support. I know a lot of people will oppose this view, but I like the current status of The Hive Workshop. We have a good moderation, a lot of people, and every user can find his own group of people to hang out with. If you examine real life, for example a class, there are different friendship groups there aswell, it really isn't the "everyone loves everyone" anywhere. Dramas are common everywhere, not only in every singe internet forum (especially one with this large userbase), but real life aswell.

My philosophy is: Ignore it, stay out of it. Sorry for not adding anything constructive to this discussion.

 

[Callahan]

Maybe keep Wc3modding and forget the crap.
That 'lulz vs serious' issue concern only 1% of hive active members.
The other 99% are happy all the way.

 

[Vegavak]

I don't see the point of this, tbh

sounds gay

I lost all will to bother reading OP's wall of single line text because of the title of the post.

And Lulz is just retarded. People who use it constantly are nothing more than internet meme sheep forfeiting any intelligence they may have just to fit in with the crowd.

 

[Kwah]

El, this isn't really going to go anywhere, seeing as no one knows what to do.

 

[FamousPker49]

I meh'd.

 

[Linaze]

I meh'd.

Me too.

 

[Squiggy]

srsness doesn't exist in the internet?

 

[~Void~]

We are too serious when it's unnecessary and not serious enough when it's called for.

 

[VeljkoM]

1.Respect your fellow users as your equals.
2.Everyone has right to think what they want no mater how wrong looks to you.
3.Moderators are to be respected but always remember that they are people like everybody else.

 

[Airandius]

srsness doesn't exist in the internet?

qft

1.Respect your fellow users as your equals.
2.Everyone has right to think what they want no mater how wrong looks to you.
3.Moderators are to be respected but always remember that they are people like everybody else.

Point 3, some mods are just children, with all due respect you can't take children serious.

Let's have a rule that mods have to be 18+. xD

 

[VeljkoM]

It is hard but try.They can ban you.
And age doesn't mater that much.Ralle is younger than many people on this site and they listen his every command.I know some people who didn't respect mods.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Did you know that the word lul means cock, penis or dick in Dutch? Didn't know that, did ya?

-The Ten Cockandments-


But seriously.

The serious side, and the lulz side, will each come up with five basic rules

Who'd you recon is the serious side, and who'd you recon to be the lulz side? Excluding yourself from being on both sides and me on the Elite Lulz side.

Let's have a rule that mods have to be 18+.

I agree and not agree, because I am a few months away from that age. And if someone is super duper serious, helps the weak and punishes the wicked, makes every day better on the Hive but he can't be a moderator since he is only 16, then what?

And if there have been drama fights and other chaotic events on this site lately, than why didn't I notice it?

Damn, I don't like typing long posts..




Edit: Warning, this post contains Diviniess', srs bns and a lot of lulz.

 

[Airandius]

It is hard but try.They can ban you.
And age doesn't mater that much.Ralle is younger than many people on this site and they listen his every command.I know some people who didn't respect mods.

LOl ban oh noez it's the end in the world. Actually you are doing most people a favor.
In my opinion moderators have to much power.

Here is a suggestion, if they want to ban somebody they need at least 3 moderator votes with a good motive.

I have seen people get banned because they apologized. Now that's weird.

 

[VeljkoM]

And say to others why were they banned.Maybe we want to help them to return.Everybody has one or two friends banned.

I have seen neg rep for saying "Yes sir" and many more.Some mods give good reason for neg reping wile other write something strange.

How much overpowered are they?I have no idea they had to much power.

 

[Pyritie]

And say to others why were they banned.Maybe we want to help them to return.Everybody has one or two friends banned.

I have seen neg rep for saying "Yes sir" and many more.Some mods give good reason for neg reping wile other write something strange.

If you see a member of staff abusing his power, make a thread in Admin Contact about it. If it is an admin that is causing the problem, send a PM to either another admin or Rising_Dusk.

Here is a suggestion, if they want to ban somebody they need at least 3 moderator votes with a good motive.

That would not work. Sometimes you need someone to quickly ban someone, such as someone posting porn maps for example.

I have seen people get banned because they apologized. Now that's weird.

See my reply to VeljkoM.

Let's have a rule that mods have to be 18+. xD

Hawkwing was 13 or so. Nobody knew he was so young until he told everyone because he acted so maturely. Maturity is a much more valued moderator trait than age.

 

[Kwah]

Hawkwing was 13 or so. Nobody knew he was so young until he told everyone because he acted so maturely. Maturity is a much more valued moderator trait than age.

I was just about to say that.

 

[VeljkoM]

If you see a member of staff abusing his power, make a thread in Admin Contact about it. If it is an admin that is causing the problem, send a PM to either another admin or Rising_Dusk.

Thank you I will keep that in mind but I will not go around site to watch over moderators.
Now we only need to wait until some one says we should.

That would not work. Sometimes you need someone to quickly ban someone, such as someone posting porn maps for example.

That makes sense but shouldn't be there exceptions.Scaled by the seriousness of act.
I have seen those maps.That guy is retarded (please sorry for the expression).

Hawkwing was 13 or so. Nobody knew he was so young until he told everyone because he acted so maturely. Maturity is a much more valued moderator trait than
age.

This only proves the fact that age doesn't make much difference

And is there any way to end ban?

 

[Callahan]

Ralle is younger than many people on this site and they listen his every command.

Because he's the wabmasta lol?

 

[~Void~]

Let all mods be 18+? Hawkwing was one of our best mods and he's 13.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well he earned it fair so he needs to be respected.Despite his age he achieved to be great and that is why he should be respected.

 

[Pyritie]

And is there any way to end ban?

Yeah, hit the little "reverse infraction" button. Simple.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yeah, hit the little "reverse infraction" button. Simple.

Where is it?(Only admin can do it right.?)

And also I have noticed that some people have been neg reped for same thing twice.That happened I think because two moderators saw his rule breaking.
Then again he may have done same mistake again.

 

[Xlightscreen]

well i often see the fault in all these disputes is people take this stuff to personal.

I'm not going to lie and tell you I don't think age is a issue becuase I think it is. now there are plenty of cases such as hawk, ralle, and so forth who are quite mature for there age but for the general population on this site there not.

people need to realize this is www.hiveworkshop.com A site for warcraft 3 fans and mods. Not there life, way to many times ill see someone give a bunch of neg rep and say they are having a bad day. trust me if your having a bad day you shouldn't be taking it out on a website. I also seen this in users who get mad at simple critizem or get banned for good reasons. These are all examples on people taking this stuff to personaly.

We honestly shouldn't have 20 post on moderators apologizing to people on how bad they where. We also shouldn't be having users blaming the moderators on punishing them for rules they broken.

Any user who truly believes they been wrongfully punished should PM a higher staff member about the issue rather then post a flame blog about how stupid the moderator is. The moderators on the other hand should know what they are going into when they take the job. it doesn't matter how many "stupid" questions they get asked they should answer them all with a smile just like in the real world.

 

[Hakeem]

Sometimes you need someone to quickly ban someone, such as someone posting porn maps for example.

Ignoring my philosophy of "Give people the powers you can trust them with," since there may be technical difficulties in doing so, inflicting banishment has always been in the domain of an admin. I do not think moderators should be allowed. If you need someone banned fast, you need an admin.

---

As for the original topic, it is another thing that traces back to the core problem.

 

[HINDYhat]

I'm not going to lie and tell you I don't think age is a issue becuase I think it is.

Oh snap. It isn't. The thing about 18+ for moderators is retarded because I'm 18 in like two months yet that doesn't make me 'mature' enough to be a moderator by some peoples' standards. I've seen way too many exceptions on this site for age to really matter.

people need to realize this is www.hiveworkshop.com A site for warcraft 3 fans and mods.

I don't see what's wrong with making a few friends in the meantime.

way to many times ill see someone give a bunch of neg rep and say they are having a bad day.

Pics or it never happened.

Any user who truly believes they been wrongfully punished should PM a higher staff member about the issue rather then post a flame blog about how stupid the moderator is.

Congratulations.

it doesn't matter how many "stupid" questions they get asked they should answer them all with a smile just like in the real world.

lol'd

 

[En_Fuego]

I don't see the point of this, tbh

sounds gay

Doesn't get anymore civil than that.

 

[Xlightscreen]

HINDYhat you offered little counter-argument to my opinion. as for the site reference you failed to read the 2nd sentence of people taking this site to personal. As for the age ounce again you failed to read the part where I said there are plenty of exceptions to that. and I never said moderators should only be 18+ just strongly suggested it.

 

[HINDYhat]

I wasn't trying to offer a counter-argument either.
I don't understand what you're trying to say because you aren't making any sense.

and I never said moderators should only be 18+ just strongly suggested it.

What's the difference?

 

[Zombie]

Most moderators we had so far were very good, no matter how old they were. I know a lot of people who are not as mature as a 12 years old boy, even though they are over 18, and people who aren't even 14 and act like an adult. Hawkwing, for example, as Void said. Therefore, electing mods who are over a certain age limit wouldn't make much sense.

To tell the truth, I really don't understand how one guy's bitching about moderators can stir up so much drama. You get negrepped/infra'd/banned, you've done something wrong, therefore you deserve the punishment you got. We have a good forum moderation (although we could use some more resource mods) and even if you think we don't you can learn to put up with it and enjoy the site as much as most people do.

 

[Airandius]

Most moderators we had so far were very good, no matter how old they were. I know a lot of people who are not as mature as a 12 years old boy, even though they are over 18, and people who aren't even 14 and act like an adult. Hawkwing, for example, as Void said. Therefore, electing mods who are over a certain age limit wouldn't make much sense.

To tell the truth, I really don't understand how one guy's bitching about moderators can stir up so much drama. You get negrepped/infra'd/banned, you've done something wrong, therefore you deserve the punishment you got. We have a good forum moderation (although we could use some more resource mods) and even if you think we don't you can learn to put up with it and enjoy the site as much as most people do.

Sometimes mods just neg rep people because they themselves don't pay enough attention to whats happening.
And like I said before, I once saw a guy get banned because he apologized for what he had done.

Is that your idea of a punishment you deserve.
Hive is a dictatorship we all know we don't care, but that part could be improved.
We could for example have a mod election every month w/e where people that want to become a mod can prove themselves and people can vote. That could also solve the lack of moderators.

 

[Pyritie]

We could for example have a mod election every month w/e where people that want to become a mod can prove themselves and people can vote. That could also solve the lack of moderators.

Just because someone's popular doesn't mean they're responsible.

 

[Zombie]

Sometimes mods just neg rep people because they themselves don't pay enough attention to whats happening.
And like I said before, I once saw a guy get banned because he apologized for what he had done.

Post porn and apologize. Do you think this guy doesn't deserve a ban? Also, mods have waaaay more important things to do than searching through the guy's THW history.

Hive is a dictatorship we all know we don't care, but that part could be improved.

All internet forums are, and sane people prefer it that way. Imagine all the idiots that can be found in a certain forum electing an admin out of their group. Also, it's better to have dictators who know what's best for everyone than idiots, who might be popular, but have no idea about serious issues.

We could for example have a mod election every month w/e where people that want to become a mod can prove themselves and people can vote. That could also solve the lack of moderators.

No. I've already told you why this can never work above.

 

[LiOneSS]

The first and only rule:




ALL USERS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
(all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others - George Orwell "Animal farm")



Always keep in mind that life's not fair.

 

[Hakeem]

We've added and removed moderators before, and we continue to do so. The same problems keep coming up though. Perhaps it isn't more/different moderators that we need.

 

[PurplePoot]

We could for example have a mod election every month w/e where people that want to become a mod can prove themselves and people can vote. That could also solve the lack of moderators.

That would be epic. Proof this site wants to implode.

We've added and removed moderators before, and we continue to do so. The same problems keep coming up though. Perhaps it isn't more/different moderators that we need.

The existing moderators need additional pylons (as do the new ones), not a replacement.

---

Democracy is good, dictatorship is evil, rah rah rah.

@USA

 

[VeljkoM]

Or maybe we need new position like mod helpers.People who would help moderators but wont have same power.

 

[Zombie]

Or maybe we need new position like mod helpers.People who would help moderators but wont have same power.

Minimods?

 

[Pyritie]

Or maybe we need new position like mod helpers.People who would help moderators but wont have same power.

What's wrong with helping us by yourself, without any sort of official "rank"?

 

[VeljkoM]

Sure that can work.
But people are saying you need more mods, less power so I thought introduce new rank so you wouldn't need to look for new mods or reduce the power but at the same time please users.
But that is just an idea and I don't think it is 100% good.

 

[Naze]

No, no election of moderators/admins. The staff have to be elected by thinking people, not the masses. And yes, as Py said, helping by ourselves, no need to have ranks.

Also, Elenai only wanted people to be less harsh when unecessary, and more serious when needed. It isn't that hard, and we could actually have more fun with that. The only 9% users who care about the Hive a bit more than the rest should try it, not meh at it.

If your pride is high enough to don't accept the idea in public (like in this thread), but actually consider that while posting, okay. What matters are your actions.

 

[VeljkoM]

OK bad idea.
I will just do my best to help the Hive.

 

[Naze]

OK bad idea.
I will just do my best to help the Hive.

That's enough.

 

[Hakeem]

The problem isn't at the moderator level. The moderators have been all but recycled and the problems remain.

 

[Naze]

The problem isn't at the moderator level. The moderators have been all but recycled and the problems remain.

I know. The problem is within most Hive members.

 

[Airandius]

Let's be honest with ourselves for a second.
Who is actually taking this thread serious?

We have over 9000 of these kind of threads, still there is no solution to the not exciting problem.
Can't we just forget this whole thing and life happy and w/e bull**** that's included with it? =

Post porn and apologize. Do you think this guy doesn't deserve a ban? Also, mods have waaaay more important things to do than searching through the guy's THW history.

Lol, nahw that didn't happen, it was something about making a thread where he said that he didn't like a mod for how he treated him.
Something about neg rep him, then he got another -rep from an other mod because that mod didn't pay attention that the guy was already punished and said sorry.
Then the first mod gives him an overkill of -rep and bans him for apologizing in a visitor message.

Long time ago though. xD

 

[Hakeem]

I know. The problem is within most Hive members.

I don't see how this would be. When a user is doing something against the rules, they get punished. If they aren't doing something against the rules, that's a good thing right?