The Prophecy of the Dark Angel

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Date: 2012/Oct/27 12:29:53

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When you get close to a quest giver, fade out the screen for 0.5s, during that fade-out, move the hero in front of the quest giver, make him face the target and also clear selection circles. Finally fade in again and start the dialogue.
It would also be better if you gave a quest giver a skill which would have to be clicked to start a dialogue and not start the cutscene once you get close to them. Try adding exclamation marks above the head of quest givers as well.
The UI icons you've change don't match either, mostly the commandbuttons, I suggest you take a look at icon sets in the Icons section.​

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[yogiman]

i really felt pretty lost in this map..

 

[Valenvai]

I didn't want to make it linear, like forcing you to go one way and auto-leading you to the quests. It was my intention to make it free-roam...
Visiting cities, generaly, lets you progress and find quests... but I encourage you to search around the world! Lots of secret stuff out there!

 

[yogiman]

hey i started again and encountered a bug. i straight went to the druid, then to the first spider eggs in the north. after that it told me 5 times: "congratulation, i found the secret hero" for both of them. then i died because my mouse couldnt do anything anymore =/
did u update it? whats the news?

 

[yogiman]

ah.. and the substantive of "to prophesy" is "propheCy"

 

[Valenvai]

Wooooooops

 

[yogiman]

okok i tried this again but there are too many bugs for me to continue:

-when killing all the bandits on the lake and then finding this statue the quest cant be completed anymore
-i played the druid cuz, as i mentioned above, somehow the codes appeard. it was nice to play but when i got level 3 suddely the "yunero/juggernaut" hero appeard and i got 2 heros at once
-when i got to the bridge at the lake a cinematic appeard that had nothing to do with the situation.. or maybe this was made by purpose
..thats why i stopped play =( i know its hard fixing bugs but as i imagine u know where to go when u play it so u may dont encounter these things.
if there werent those bugs , and i think this wont get better during the story, i would love to play this..

 

[Valenvai]

okok i tried this again but there are too many bugs for me to continue:

-when killing all the bandits on the lake and then finding this statue the quest cant be completed anymore
-i played the druid cuz, as i mentioned above, somehow the codes appeard. it was nice to play but when i got level 3 suddely the "yunero/juggernaut" hero appeard and i got 2 heros at once
-when i got to the bridge at the lake a cinematic appeard that had nothing to do with the situation.. or maybe this was made by purpose
..thats why i stopped play =( i know its hard fixing bugs but as i imagine u know where to go when u play it so u may dont encounter these things.
if there werent those bugs , and i think this wont get better during the story, i would love to play this..

Oh man... in latest version I added some flying critters for aesthetic purposes. It seems they trigger specific locations actions (forgot to exclude them). I will change it asap. Thnx for the feedback. I appreciate it.

 

[Valenvai]

About the bandits: There is a tree that blocks the way to the bandits camp south of lake. The tree is destroyed when you take the quest opening the way to their leader which must be killed to complete the quest.
It's strange how you killed him if you didn't take the quest.

 

[yogiman]

ah ok .. i didnt find these trees, sorry!
im goonna try this again!

 

[yogiman]

yeha.. sorry for my false estimation! i played about 3 hours now and i really enjoyed it, for now i encountered no bug!
i can give u a feedback when i finished but for now there are some improvements u could make in your new map:
-in the beginning, make a main quest or/and an intro cinematic so that the player knows there is something behind, and not just killing monsters (like i thought).
-u can make more different quests and quests that are seperated in quest parts.
-a backpack system would be nice
-and of yours, you could work on a nicer terrain

for now, good work mon!

 

[Codric]

put screentshots in hidden tags for you knowilage

 

[yogiman]

hey, i continued playing and these are my advices and questions:

-glens hammer and this boat buying quest are no real optional quests. you could make a "quest" with general informations about the map and one "quest" for "gathered infos" like commands u recieved, the teleportation stone infromation etc. in addition u could write the command for crafting the items at glen in the quest. (i couldnt remember =))
-u may devide the main quests in parts or in more and shorter quests.
-there is no gold for the later monsters but gold coins to pick up?
-whats this big ghost in the beginning where the first berry is?
-mithril morningstar item gives +9 and not +10 damage, "click to use" has no effect..
-more items would be nice! flamewish is best weapon till now and i got it in the beginning!
-tomb is a bit too boring, just killing monsteres =/
-didnt know what to do in the cathetral so far =(

..now im at the tomb riddle but i dont get it.. could u give me a hint or something? i dont wanna pass without looking behind the door =( has it something to do with planets?

 

[Valenvai]

Thnx for your suggestions... I improved the map with more quests and items.
I answered your questions with private message, plz don't post spoilers!

 

[WerBackIII]

A bug:

Just before I went to kill the troll lord, I freed the elf from the cage.

That triggered a cinematic; however, during it, the trolls woke up and attacked me. That shouldn't happen; you may want to trigger the cage indestructible if you haven't killed the troll lord.

 

[Valenvai]

A bug:

Just before I went to kill the troll lord, I freed the elf from the cage.

That triggered a cinematic; however, during it, the trolls woke up and attacked me. That shouldn't happen; you may want to trigger the cage indestructible if you haven't killed the troll lord.

Good idea... silly me for missing this! Fixing right away!

 

[robizeratul]

Thnx for your suggestions... I improved the map with more quests and items.
I answered your questions with private message, plz don't post spoilers!

here is some quick advice.Warcraft 3 is almost dead,so if you decide to make this map for a long time don't expect "glory",do it for the right reasons.

here is my advice:

1)the golden rule: keep things simple and progressive.

a)add more information when choosing heroes,a little story and the role of the hero should do it.(check out guilds of hyppos for inspiration or sunken city)

b)it's boring to listen to every quest(for some).Add the option to skip it or rearrange the format.For example I like how The black road did this.You get the quest and you get the goal,if you want to read more than you have to go to the quests window and you have a little story...it's perfectly fine for me.The chosen ones has a skip option,that's cool also...sometimes you want to listen to what they have to say.

I have some stuff to do,I will write more later probably.But please do something about those dialogues,i really wanted to play the map more but i just was to bored.It's to slow...I've read it 3-4 times before switching to the next one,and English is my third language...you probably already noticed i'm not a native speaker.I will be glad to test your map as long as I have to,it's refreshing seeing something ambitious in the dying w3 community

 

[Valenvai]

a)add more information when choosing heroes,a little story and the role of the hero should do it.(check out guilds of hyppos for inspiration or sunken city)

I was afraid that someone would point that out some time. Indeed choosing heroes could have more details.

b)it's boring to listen to every quest(for some).Add the option to skip it or rearrange the format.For example I like how The black road did this.You get the quest and you get the goal,if you want to read more than you have to go to the quests window and you have a little story...it's perfectly fine for me.The chosen ones has a skip option,that's cool also...sometimes you want to listen to what they have to say.

A thin line. I don't want to take out the Role Play Game environment. Just clicking on NPCs and getting quests then proceed to kill the monsters is boring to my eyes. I tried my best with the dialogs: To give emotions, character and personality to the NPCs. Main quest 1st part has a LONG dialog, I know. I wanted to keep it that way so the player gets fmiliar with this world's lore; I plan to make more parts, continuing the story.
The skip option though sounds logical.

Thnx for the feedback!

 

[fr0ggE]

Just beat the map. I played as the archer with summon wolf spell. Her ultimate broke after I got level 2/3 (level 1 worked fine).

It probably would have been too hard at the end, because one of the monsters in the final dungeon could charm your wolf away, and with no meat tank, I died.

However, I was able to win by finally solving the Glen's Hammer quest. I made 5 (!!!!) Machine Gun bows, and my sixth item was a Mask of Death. After that everything melted in front of me, even the last two boss areas.

I didn't bother completing a lot of the quests because of limited inventory space and the long distances to walk. By the time I had all the way points to warp around and bring this item here and that item there, the gold reward wasn't worth it anymore.

I agree about adding a skip cinematic option, and putting more of the information inside the quests.

Nice map. There were lots of little things that could be improved, but I appreciated a lot of the secrets you hid.

The second "hidden hero"...I could never get the door open to access him. There were two runes in that dungeon that I walked over, but neither did anything.

 

[han777]

terrible map, almost unplayable due to retarded cinematic scenes 1/5

 

[Cdvftrejh]

I think, if you can't see the map ingame, try to move it to maps (the one with melee maps) and not downloads. This also happened me once. BTW, This game is good.

 

[EternaLife]

How on earth can this RPG be given a 2.5? That is crazy.
I have seen much worse been given a 4.

2.5 is shocking. This map is at least a 4.5.

 

[Valenvai]

I think, if you can't see the map ingame, try to move it to maps (the one with melee maps) and not downloads. This also happened me once. BTW, This game is good.

I fixed that already! The problem was the long file name!

 

[Valenvai]

How on earth can this RPG be given a 2.5? That is crazy.
I have seen much worse been given a 4.

2.5 is shocking. This map is at least a 4.5.

Thnx for the good words! It motivates me into making the next part even better!

 

[Tirlititi]

I just tested/finished it.

[+] The obelisk system is nice. It's a bit frustrating when you loose with less than 300 gold, but that's the game and that's fine ^^.
[+] The game is really non-linear.
[+] The forge system is fine, but I think Glen should be closer to the starting point so we have little chance to miss him (especially if you're willing to increase the number of crafts).
[+] The map is big and it takes hours to finish it with a single hero (and more if we want to complete all the side quests - which I didn't do ^^).
[+] There are really few bugs for a map so big.
[+] The hotkeys are convenient ; the quest panel is well-used (even if you should split the "game quests" and the "game informations").

[x] The story is not bad nor brilliant, but I found the NPC a bit caricatural. The hero has no kind of personality in the beginning of the game and finish in a "I have no fear, I'm the Chosen one"-way in the end. There could be changes in the dialogs depending on the class, too, but I conced it would be big work.
[x] The terrain is decent. Still a bit irritating too be unable too see anything in the woods.

[-] The spells, damnit. They are all but uniques. Warcraft III's spells are not bad by themselves but they are boring in a RPG map. That also applies to enemies, even if it's less unforgivable.
[-] There are some balancing issues. The Mage (Jaina's model) is quiet weak while the Archer and Vampire are fine (the Vampire is a bit overpowered but that's ok). I think there is a big difference between heroes that have invocations and the others... The enemies are sometimes imbalanced too (the first group of furbolgs is harder than the following / there is a kobold group really tougher than the other fights in that *don't remember its name* forest...). The items +6 damage are also way too costly for their power (1500 gold), and the spell books are far better items for early game than the other buyables. Also, I only got the Vampire's inferno caft, but it is either too powerfull or too easy to get.
[-] Can't skip the cinematics ^^.
[-] I don't like the use of commands, like "-forge" or "-500" when there are other choices. I suggest you to use abilities instead (you put an ability that does nothing on the NPC with a "Shared Shop" so we can use it, for instance).

About the few bugs I found :
- You can still order your hero to move just before a cinematic happens and thus going fight an enemy or else.
- Dragula's inferno item's ability cooldown is not shown : put the "Summon inferno" skill on the top of the item ability list. Also, the infernals can destroy trees (on cast + with attacks) and I don't think it was made on purpose.
- Dragula's ultimate tooltip says "100 hp at lvl 1" on the "learn" panel, but "120 hp" on the command panel once he learns it.
- A ranged hero can easily kill the Bandit chief (the one with trees around his camp) by attacking him from behind the trees.

That's it. Good luck for improving that map.

 

[Valenvai]

I just tested/finished it.

[+] The obelisk system is nice. It's a bit frustrating when you loose with less than 300 gold, but that's the game and that's fine ^^.
[+] The game is really non-linear.
[+] The forge system is fine, but I think Glen should be closer to the starting point so we have little chance to miss him (especially if you're willing to increase the number of crafts).
[+] The map is big and it takes hours to finish it with a single hero (and more if we want to complete all the side quests - which I didn't do ^^).
[+] There are really few bugs for a map so big.
[+] The hotkeys are convenient ; the quest panel is well-used (even if you should split the "game quests" and the "game informations").

[x] The story is not bad nor brilliant, but I found the NPC a bit caricatural. The hero has no kind of personality in the beginning of the game and finish in a "I have no fear, I'm the Chosen one"-way in the end. There could be changes in the dialogs depending on the class, too, but I conced it would be big work.
[x] The terrain is decent. Still a bit irritating too be unable too see anything in the woods.

[-] The spells, damnit. They are all but uniques. Warcraft III's spells are not bad by themselves but they are boring in a RPG map. That also applies to enemies, even if it's less unforgivable.
[-] There are some balancing issues. The Mage (Jaina's model) is quiet weak while the Archer and Vampire are fine (the Vampire is a bit overpowered but that's ok). I think there is a big difference between heroes that have invocations and the others... The enemies are sometimes imbalanced too (the first group of furbolgs is harder than the following / there is a kobold group really tougher than the other fights in that *don't remember its name* forest...). The items +6 damage are also way too costly for their power (1500 gold), and the spell books are far better items for early game than the other buyables. Also, I only got the Vampire's inferno caft, but it is either too powerfull or too easy to get.
[-] Can't skip the cinematics ^^.
[-] I don't like the use of commands, like "-forge" or "-500" when there are other choices. I suggest you to use abilities instead (you put an ability that does nothing on the NPC with a "Shared Shop" so we can use it, for instance).

About the few bugs I found :
- You can still order your hero to move just before a cinematic happens and thus going fight an enemy or else.
- Dragula's inferno item's ability cooldown is not shown : put the "Summon inferno" skill on the top of the item ability list. Also, the infernals can destroy trees (on cast + with attacks) and I don't think it was made on purpose.
- Dragula's ultimate tooltip says "100 hp at lvl 1" on the "learn" panel, but "120 hp" on the command panel once he learns it.
- A ranged hero can easily kill the Bandit chief (the one with trees around his camp) by attacking him from behind the trees.

That's it. Good luck for improving that map.

Thnx a lot for the feedback! I will fix/improve as soon as I have time!

 

[Rogue_Raven]

thank you for creating this map. i like it. goodluck and im waiting second version.

 

[Paliouras]

are you greek?many names were from greece like vasilis etc

 

[Valenvai]

are you greek?many names were from greece like vasilis etc

Yes I am.

 

[kevlamin]

Holy crap just played the whole way through and I love it ^_^ looking forward to the next part in the story

 

[dreadlord_tr]

Sweet i loved it. But there are just too many trees everywhere on map.

 

[yogiman]

hey are u working on the 2nd part? cant wait =)

 

[Valenvai]

hey are u working on the 2nd part? cant wait =)

Yes I am. I hope you are patient!

 

[Wings of PegasuS]

Hello everyone! I'm stuck in the Glen's Hammer optional quest, I can't find any cave with bandits plz, i need some help!

p/s : I just found it

 

[feibiao]

nice game . i like it 4/5. just could u give more hint about the riddle part with "greek name".. if google doesnt help i think ull have to be greek to know that xD.

and the monster mPampoulas.. can it be killed... i noticed that it heal as soon as u dmg it and i dont think u v seen any mob with dmg type good against that armor... can it be killed? i m pretty sure i have done all sub quest.

 

[Valenvai]

nice game . i like it 4/5. just could u give more hint about the riddle part with "greek name".. if google doesnt help i think ull have to be greek to know that xD.

and the monster mPampoulas.. can it be killed... i noticed that it heal as soon as u dmg it and i dont think u v seen any mob with dmg type good against that armor... can it be killed? i m pretty sure i have done all sub quest.

Please don't post spoilers. I'll answer your questions with private message.

 

[kevlamin]

Playing through again as the secret classes, will they be available at the start of the next one or is it going to be the same deal?

 

[Valenvai]

Playing through again as the secret classes, will they be available at the start of the next one or is it going to be the same deal?

They will all be available from start; there will be no secret heroes in the next part.

 

[-Kobas-]

• Cinematic should be skip-able (ESC). Right now they are long as hell.
  Add some camera movement, and so on.
  Set camera 1 for 0 sec
  Set camera 2 for 50 sec
  Can improve effect a lot.
• Terrain is really simple, somehow poor (for 22 MB map).
  Add more environment doodads, use custom resources.
• Storage thing is bad as well, just create another hero set icon to some bag or something, remove shadow, model etc etc, and create trigger that will move it to hero location each 0.25 seconds. You can later unlock more of this storage thing and create anther one and so on and on...
• Abilities are ok, but they can be better, Warlock 2nd spell has different learning/description tooltip, fix that. He's 3rd can improve ultimate as well, but I suggest for ultimate something more "dark like", or just mix infernal ability with some ward like unit summoned instead infernal that can reduce enemy unit armor as aura, increase hero damage, mana regen or whatever really, or maybe just add Immolation spell to hero and change it's stats and effects...
  Infernal burn neutral passive units
• Quests are more or less ok, but you must create some way-points or something, walking over whole map over and over again just spend time for nothing.
  Use Quest items to increase quests quality even more.
• Add more items, maybe create classes or types...
• Music increase map size for nothing, you can replace it with blizzard one really.
• Names are Japanese like, not big problem, but if you need ideas use some online name generators (just look for elves, and other Sci-Fi races).
• Create more dynamic environment, peasants can play work animation somewhere, like working something, kids can have Wanderer ability to move here and there, and so on.
• Map miss unique things.

That would be more or less all for now.
I'm to lazy to check code and shit, but in 1 word, standard blizzard like wc3 map with quality below average for this "late wc3 years".

 

[Valenvai]

Cinematic should be skip-able (ESC). Right now they are long as hell.

Others have mentioned that too. I don't want to take out cinematics from my map. It's meant to be an RPG not a hack and slash. But I'll keep in mind to make cinematics shorter somehow in the next part of the story. Skipping Cinematics, I haven't decided yet.

Terrain is really simple, somehow poor (for 22 MB map).
Add more environment doodads, use custom resources.

I will look into it.

Storage thing is bad as well, just create another hero set icon to some bag or something, remove shadow, model etc etc, and create trigger that will move it to hero location each 0.25 seconds. You can later unlock more of this storage thing and create anther one and so on and on...

I will try to improve this.

Warlock 2nd spell has different learning/description tooltip, fix that. He's 3rd can improve ultimate as well

Tooltip is different but it's saying the same thing. One shows Damage ammount over time and the other shows Exact Damage every 2 Seconds.
Strange that the 3rd improves Ultimate. I look it at Editor atm and it's not meant to be.

Quests are more or less ok, but you must create some way-points or something, walking over whole map over and over again just spend time for nothing.

Again, it's meant to be an RPG. Just having a fast teleport to every Quest Giver and just clicking Quests then Right Clicking mobs isn't fun.
I hope you noticed that you can teleport to the Obelisks of Souls. There are Obelisks to key places around the map so if you find them all moving around the map should be easy except from the occasional long walk that adds a 'realistic' touch to the map.

Add more items, maybe create classes or types...

I plan to add a lot in the next part. Item system, random drops, more crafts etc.

Music increase map size for nothing, you can replace it with blizzard one really.

Aaawww... I made the music.

Names are Japanese like, not big problem, but if you need ideas use some online name generators (just look for elves, and other Sci-Fi races).

[Hehe... the names are Greek. Regions are named after real towns and villages from my country, near where I live.

Create more dynamic environment, peasants can play work animation somewhere, like working something, kids can have Wanderer ability to move here and there, and so on.

Yeah I should look into it.

standard blizzard like wc3 map with quality below average for this "late wc3 years".

I don't get it. Why is the quality below average? No offense to any map-maker or you but I've seen worse RPGs with worse environments, story, dialogs etc... If it's because it's missing custom models and textures, I prefer to stay at this 'low' quality.
Also keep in mind that this map is at least 5 years old with some minor refreshing I made since summer.

All in all thnx for your feedback. I might not put all of the wisdom I gained in this map but will surely do in the next.

 

[-Kobas-]

Also keep in mind that this map is at least 5 years old with some minor refreshing I made since summer.

Exactly it's 5 years old
We now use high resolution textures to improve terrain and models quality, fast vjass scripts in background and so on.

I played your map for like 30 min, I usually quit after 5
Don't feel offended I don't bother checking poor maps, not to mention suggesting something

I find great potential here, just focus on right things and it will be awesome.

Oh 1 more thing to suggest, instead displaying msg on the screen, you can create small leaderboard and change it's title, each 1 second to something like:
set TITLE_STRING_VARIABLE = "World Name |nLocation: " + udg_LOCATION_STRING_VARIABLE + " |nTime: " + udg_TIME_STRING_VARIABLE + " |n|nGame Progress: " + udg_GAME_PROGRESS_STRING_VARIABLE

where:
- udg_LOCATION_STRING_VARIABLE is string variable that you change each time when you enter different place.

- udg_TIME_STRING_VARIABLE is string variable that you change each second.
you need to code this thing using 3 different integers like this:
integer H, integer M, integer S
each 1 sec set S = S + 1
if S == 60 then
set S = 0, set M = M + 1
if M == 60 then
set M = 0, set H = H + 1
set udg_TIME_STRING_VARIABLE = Integer2String(H) + "h " + Integer2String(M) + "m " + Integer2String(S) + "s "

- udg_GAME_PROGRESS_STRING_VARIABLE can be some real or integer number that you increase each time you finish some quest, so if you have 50 quests, after each one increase this by 2, starting from 0 ending with 100.
set udg_GAME_PROGRESS_STRING_VARIABLE = Integer2String/Real2String( udg_THIS_NEW_INTEGER/REAL_VARIABLE )

Oh I have something more as well, add some random things, like when you kill unit there is small chance to get bonus exp or something like that

 

[Valenvai]

Thnx I will work on these. I'm not very good at scripts but will try to figure out.

 

[StartTheGamePls]

need help here , for some reason during my journey my arcane archer's 2nd skill magic missle arrow suddenly have no tool tip and it does nothing. Is this a bug?

 

[Valenvai]

need help here , for some reason during my journey my arcane archer's 2nd skill magic missle arrow suddenly have no tool tip and it does nothing. Is this a bug?

I've seen it happen ONCE when testing the map.
I had no idea why that happened but never happened to me again.
Looks like game bug to me but maybe someone with knowledge on matters like this can help.

 

[bisnar13]

Hmm, seems to be nice, will try it sometime,

 

[Alipresent]

hey there , i just downloaded and played for 30 min.

Quest giver conversations are really interesting, but needed to be skippable.(my opinion)
and lower the cost of regents. it hard to kill 2 enemy groups in row with starting money.
by the way, i selected Tiz-Lee.

ty very much.

 

[Blackguard4]

Good job man, nice map. i really liked the obelisk system.

 

[mike95]

Really nice map! Although I like cinematics some are long so when you make next part, add an option to skip or view them.
I liked how you put many optional quests and some are rly fun!
Can't wait for the next!

 

[Valenvai]

I added a special code that you recieve when you complete the map.
This code can be used in the second part of the story (more info here) to recieve a special bonus.
This is to reward all the old players for their support and feedback and to inspire new players to give this map a try. The special bonus will not be something gamebreaking, though, to respect new player's choise, to play this map or just proceed to the 2nd.