The maps system is changing

[Ralle]

Hey guys
The latest news are not news anymore so I felt the urge to write some news.

The maps system is about to change and these are the changes:

Actual moderation of a map will be cut to a minimum. The moderator will make a very quick check that the map is not violating any rules and then it will be approved/rejected. This means we are cutting out most of the quality checking from moderation, which is not good.

To patch this "not good" a few things will change. The moderator rating will disappear, the review will likely disappear unless the moderator needs to tell the submitter something (why it was rejected for example).
Maps will then get a second rating. The rating based on reviews. It will work like this:
Anybody can write a review (actually just a post) and give the map a rating, and if a moderator finds that this review along with the rating seems valid, he will mark the post as a review which means that the users rating will be counted in this new rating. As more reviews for a map appear, the rating will be based on those too, just like normal ratings but they will only count in the new rating if the post is marked as being a review.
When this system gets more in use, I will start sorting the maps list to show maps which has a high review-rating before worse maps.

This will require the help of users in moderation of maps and if you think your review is good and you want a moderator to mark it as a valid review, you can contact a map moderator.

So why are we doing this?
1. We want to cut the map queue substantially.
2. We don't have time to write reviews for every single map, but we should have time to mark a usermade review as a valid review.

So what have I done so far:
- I have given mods the ability to mark posts as reviews so the rating by the post submitter will be added to the review-rating.
- I have attempted to show the users rating below his post in map listings (this is a bit buggy, I dunno why).

Things I need to do to make all this work:
- Sorting maps differently to prefer maps with better ratings.
- Actually display the review rating.
- Convert moderator reviews and ratings to normal posts and ratings being marked as review.
- Give the user the ability to see if his post is marked as a review.

Things you need to do:
- Review and rate some maps.

 

[Numerion]

I think that this is a nice idea (since i actually posted few reviews) and it should be fair (more or less)

but i hope that moderators won't slow down....

 

[M0rbid]

Seems like a good action to make map moderation more easy!

Only thing I fear is, that it needs some starting time until it's running!

We'll see

 

[Robbepop]

hiho,

in my opinion this is the right way to solve this problem.
amazing work! ;-)

now people rate maps who like to play them;
not to just rate them...

good!

Robbepop

 

[Newominus]

Yay! Now more of the junk maps waiting to be denied a place in hive will be gone sooner than usual!

 

[aaron]

yes, perfect for this mass amount of maps

 

[Crazed_seal2]

Yay, now the great purge begins!
What really needs more attention is the tut section.

 

[Garfield1337]

Maps will be reviewed much faster,i only hope reviews will be fair

 

[Numerion]

Maps will be reviewed much faster,i only hope reviews will be fair

if not , the map can be reviewed by someone else...i think its cool (since we got huge comunity)

 

[VoidLordXtreme]

thats a really good idea.. i am supporting it.

 

[Lag_Reviews]

This is a brilliant idea Ralle. I support.

One concern I have though is that I hope this won't mean moderators will be slowing down and just marking all reviews for a map valid when there not.

Although stated by Ralle: "We don't have time to write reviews for every single map, but we should have time to mark a usermade review as a valid review."
Response - Won't reading all the user made reviews and marking them valid take longer then a mod writing their own review of a map? (For example say there are 600 maps and their are 10 reviews per map that's 6000reviews a mod would have to read and decide weather or not the review is valid, when they could just make a quick review themselves?

All in all I like the idea, cuz it means my reviews will actually mean that little bit more,
Flame_Chicken

 

[En_Fuego]

@Lag_Reviews; yes and no.

Yes because you're right, that's a lot of reviews.

No because imagine how long it would take a moderator host a relatively unknown map, get a bunch of players to test and then watch the whole game. If they don't do that, then I expect they play through the map with each character at least once, which in some maps, could take a very long time. Longer than it would to review all those reviews.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

Perhaps reviews made by certain users (designated reviewers/mods/admins/people with insane amounts of rep) should weigh more toward the given score than the average joe.

Also, what will happen to the existing maps when this system is implemented?

 

[Vercas]

Ralle, this is the best of your ideas since I am an user of Hive.
(Hell, at last the number of pending maps will drop!)

 

[Aesthetics]

I have a concern. Does this mean maps like this will take a longer period of time to be Rejected?

 

[Numerion]

I have a concern. Does this mean maps like this will take a longer period of time to be Rejected?

no...it will be actually faster...

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

This map moderation system is quite horrid. If you want to cut the work of mods, you should base your rating system on IMDB, which has one of the most accurate rating systems for movies and it only relies on the comments and their posts.

 

[En_Fuego]

This map moderation system is quite horrid. If you want to cut the work of mods, you should base your rating system on IMDB, which has one of the most accurate rating systems for movies and it only relies on the comments and their posts.

This is practically the same thing, except we add in an extra step.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

This is practically the same thing, except we add in an extra step.

No. In IMD the users vote for the best review. In IMDB the the users elect the best synpsis because in IMD, there are no moderators. If Ralle is having problems with mods having their work overloaded, than "giving the power to the people" may be the answer he is looking for, because this way you can ensure quality reviews.

Just a suggestion.

 

[Devine]

I support this.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Well as long as something is being done its great. And the idea, I find it good actually.

 

[Solecompanysole]

Seems like not a good thing most of the maps dot get any comment/review but wth i know i am not the admin so i am going to post something like the people with no mind(yes that means i will post like the most of people did)

Nice.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Good. Change is good. I Support ralle 100%

 

[Vengeancekael]

Hmm guess this is a good idea.

 

[Robbepop]

hiho,

i got a nice idea for this new feature.
you should make peoples voting power to rate dependent on their skills.
so when they often rate with the majoritiy and be right with their opinion they will get additional voting power and if they are often wrong and rate a map too good or too bad, they will get less voting power.

this could be a good step against users who just vote always 5/5 for their friends or 1/5 if they don't like the user.

and perhaps it would motivate users to rank up in the voting power to speed up this development!

what do you think?

(sry for my english - im german)

Robbepop

 

[Vicboyy]

So the mini-mods didn't work? The lamest system is probably the best system nowadays.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Well, i could acually see how this would be slower, as mods would have to police all maps repeatedly to see if anyone had posted a review. that could acually take more time. I'd suggest jsut adding more map-section mods.

 

[Linaze]

I don't think this well help the map section that much at all.
First of all, map moderators will need to go through each reply on each map and determine which posts (or reviews) should be marked as reviews. That in itself is quite some work, but there's also the fact that the map moderators needs to test the map either way, since they'll have to check if written reviews by users are valid and such.

 

[Pharaoh_]

I agree with Linaze, but that's just us I guess
Maybe some other kind of modifications concerning this matter, but yes, I don't really think leaving this to users will actually make the system faster at performance. There are certain maps that receive no comments at all, so the judge is burdened with the whole process; I don't think the users will bother to do so anyway, when they don't have an official reviewing-"power".
This method feels so "abstract". It's like we're leaving the maps' approval to luck.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Thats what i said. i think that perhpse the moderating could be abbrevated, or we could get more map mods. OR the hive could make a bot that would dl nw maps, and catolouge player comments and crashes. but thats kinda a bad idea.

 

[Robbepop]

hiho,

guys, did you read my post with an idea to improve this new concept?
well you should, because with this idea we could motivate normal users to make good and precise map rewievs without mods needs to take over much of that work.

you should make peoples voting power to rate dependent on their skills.
so when they often rate with the majoritiy and be right with their opinion they will get additional voting power and if they are often wrong and rate a map too good or too bad, they will get less voting power.

this could be a good step against users who just vote always 5/5 for their friends or 1/5 if they don't like the user.

and perhaps it would motivate users to rank up in the voting power to speed up this development!

Robbepop

 

[Linaze]

The best idea would be to abandon the idea of moderating maps, it doesn't work, not at the Hive anyways, let's not pretend it does. Now, what I suggest is maps uploaded being scanned for viruses, and if there are none, it's uploaded to the map database. If a user stumbles across a map that breaks the site rules (contains porn, nazi-stuff or whatever), he or she can just report it to a map moderator that will take care of it.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Or have a large grup of users that an post in the map reviews section, but that is there only power. they also have the pwoer to make special votes agaisnt a map, and report it to a mega map mod. there could be like 50 of these users. and you could reward people with rep for doing these reviews.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Some users might not report any actions like the ones you mentioned, Linaze. Plus, why should the database afford any map upload of which the author has spent no actual work to it? A catalogue of useless maps. :/

 

[The World Is Flat]

Yeah this is the hive, were supposed to be quality here.

 

[Aesthetics]

Yeah this is the hive, were supposed to be quality here.

lol.

 

[Fussiler1]

Yeah this is the hive, were supposed to be quality here.

lol.
you funny man


Tbh, I think the Hive is between Epicwar and WC3.C

 

[Linaze]

The hive is supposed to be between epicwar and wc3c, yes. But then again, with all those garbage maps already approved, I don't see why we should even bother trying to keep some kind of standard, unless we go through the entire database and re-review old maps (those reviewed by, for example, haosis).

 

[WhySoSeriou]

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[Garfield1337]

Some users might not report any actions like the ones you mentioned, Linaze. Plus, why should the database afford any map upload of which the author has spent no actual work to it? A catalogue of useless maps. :/

Agreed,if maps wouldn't be moderated by quality,there would be too many junk maps.

The hive is supposed to be between epicwar and wc3c, yes. But then again, with all those garbage maps already approved, I don't see why we should even bother trying to keep some kind of standard, unless we go through the entire database and re-review old maps (those reviewed by, for example, haosis).

Well,those "Garbage" maps as you say that are already approved are old and shouldn't affect approving the new ones. Before,criteria for approving was less harsh,but that way too many bad maps started getting approved.

 

[Linaze]

If people are looking for quality maps, there is wc3c.
If people are looking for many maps, there is epicwar.
How can Hive compete with this?

 

[The World Is Flat]

become more like wc3 campaigns. make it easy to submit a map, but make it hard to get that map good ratings.

 

[Pharaoh_]

There is seriously no reason to compare the sites; each site has its own set of rules and philosophy of working with various kinds of stuff. Just because Wc3C has high quality maps and Epic War has any kind of quality maps, it doesn't mean that Hive has no place to stand. The rules were kind of clear. Maps have to follow the site's rules, but when did we lose interest over the maps' quality?

 

[Linaze]

We only had this interest during the last time Poot was dev. director the way I see it.

 

[light bolt30]

I think this is a good idea Unless people spam negative comments just to give the map a bad rating.

 

[Pyritie]

At least we'll have a completely fresh start with SC2. Hopefully we can do it right the first time >__>