The Lone Panther

[NearbyHermit]

Whoa ,we needed that!

CM,bring'em cinematics,make them even greater!

 

[Paladon]

What a cinematic.
You delight the public.
This cinematic definitely attracts attention.

 

[CMarket]

Guys, thanks to TheDeatHunterxx who created my own fan club ^.^ I am going to answer a bunch of questions I got from you over the last several months, one question every two or three days. Here is the first answer. Fell free to join the group and discuss about the Tales of Kaliim.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Cool,also,give us some off topic about Sothm!

I'm a bit sad that it ended short!

 

[HFR]

CMarket, what is "The Tales of Kaliin"?

 

[CMarket]

Kaliim is the world in which the Sect of the Holy Mother and The Lone Panther are situated.

If we were to link the two stories they would be:
Tales of Kaliim 1: The Sect of the Holy Mother
Tales of Kaliim 2: The Lone Panther

 

[Restor]

1) Cinematics in the Hive workshop ARE MEANT TO BE WATCHED!
The cinematic is not meant to have gameplay. If you want to find this out, go and create a small cinematic scene, and then add some sort of gameplay with it ( like a small RPG ) and you will soon see that your map will be put into THE RPG section, not the CINEMATIC section.

2 ) Cinematics dont NEED a skip trigger. IF you make a a cinematic like this have a skip trigger, the warcraft 3 would simply close, and you wouldn't be able to watch the rest of the movie ( cinematic )

3) The lone Panther is the best cinematic on the site, and i doubt that you could make something better than this.
In fact, you should try ? Everything you say it should have ? Make a cinematic of what you think a cinematic is supposed to have, and then see if its a hit.

1+2=you say cins doesnt need skip, I say it would be nice if they have, it is work for about few sec and doesnt kill the creator.

"IF you make a a cinematic like this have a skip trigger, the warcraft 3 would simply close, and you wouldn't be able to watch the rest of the movie"-wrong argument, the skip is for the closing of cin, thats not negative point of it, it is its purpose. Why alt+f4 and close all game if it can be done with esp and wc3 still runing?

3.I dont think this map is best cin in this map (in fact, not the best map of its author so far) but nevermind, I ask why did you wrote about me and making better cin than this? I dont need to make new maps, I've got one here to discuss about, and if you doubt I can make better, so I tell you, you can doubt. But even if I made I would be pleased for the critics.

anyway, only you here understood that this is discussion and not flaming room as many of others think it is.

 

[Byaku]

To Cmarket: When the chapter 2 release? I can't wait chapter 2, because this cinematic is great

P.S: I have joined the CMarket fan club.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

alright w/e, C market accpet your reviews as critisism

join the C market fan club

 

[HFR]

When the chapter 2 release? I can't wait chapter 2, because this cinematic is great

I have the same question!

 

[CMarket]

Not sure guys. Not at least for another 2 weeks I'm afraid.

Will give more info later.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Well,that I wonder how it will continue?

The second Chapter that is.

 

[HFR]

You already know how gonna be the story, terrain and the name?

 

[CMarket]

Yes, I have it all more or less figured out but by the time I do all of the terrain something might change which is why I don't want to give any info yet.

 

[ThePanda]

JUst insane

 

[Kwaliti]

So far, so good. For a second there I thought it wouldn't be so short, but hey, it's a new series! Good job.

 

[Asomath]

Wow, that was frikken great. Gonna be looking for more...
~Asomath

 

[Byaku]

If you are fan of CMarket cinematics, you can join This Group.

 

[HFR]

CMarket, what happened with Grizli, the Blacksmith, and his frog Coco?

 

[CMarket]

Don't ask me stuff like that here, and besides I've already answered this question in the SotHM social group.

 

[Hades7.ger]

... Oh my god... it was... only great so super!! A cinematic can't be better!!!

 

[Cokemonkey11]

seemed very long and I wish it supported more players!

 

[CMarket]

So...it's a 3/5 because it doesn't support more players?! It's a cinematic...I don't believe this, the only two cinematics you rated out of my 9 is this one and part 6 only because the two of them had perfect scores 5.00. The two aren't even related that much especially since you watched?(did you?) part 6 first, meaning you had no idea that it might be related with the Lone Panther 1. Do you think I'm blind enough not to see this?

I don't have problem with the grade, but here it's just too obvious that the only reason you rated is so that it would remove the perfect score.

Why should a cinematic have multilayer anyway?! What's the point? You can't chat, you can't move, it's 100% the same as single player, especially since it's too big to host on battle net!

Why don't you go rate CotD, Shipwrecked, CotN, Spirit of Vengeance...all of them are for 1 player as well because, guess what, that's what a cinematic is, a single player movie.

 

[Huurka]

Multiplayer cinematics are great.

 

[riusey]

CMarket when do you finish creating the lone panther part 2?

 

[CMarket]

In about 10 days, if all goes well.

 

[riusey]

Nice! then do it in 11 days so i can have a great birthday xD

 

[Joe-black-5]

happy birth day 11 days earlier
i think that the next version depends on the voice actors, if the faster they give c market the sounds, the faster the map will be finnished

 

[NearbyHermit]

Well,hopefully the current voice actors don't give up,otherwise,originality will be broken!

 

[DarkIron Dwarf]

5/5 even though the voices sound a bit robot.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

So...it's a 3/5 because it doesn't support more players?! It's a cinematic...I don't believe this, the only two cinematics you rated out of my 9 is this one and part 6 only because the two of them had perfect scores 5.00. The two aren't even related that much especially since you watched?(did you?) part 6 first, meaning you had no idea that it might be related with the Lone Panther 1. Do you think I'm blind enough not to see this?

I don't have problem with the grade, but here it's just too obvious that the only reason you rated is so that it would remove the perfect score.

Why should a cinematic have multilayer anyway?! What's the point? You can't chat, you can't move, it's 100% the same as single player, especially since it's too big to host on battle net!

Why don't you go rate CotD, Shipwrecked, CotN, Spirit of Vengeance...all of them are for 1 player as well because, guess what, that's what a cinematic is, a single player movie.

I've watched all of your cinematics (downloaded them all in the same day actually) and rated the first one. Rated the first one and came back; downloaded this one, rated.

You're like the assholes who invent conspiracy theories. You think you see a pattern some how? Do yourself a favor and stop being an idiot.

And I didn't rate your map 3/5. I put 4/5.

HOWEVER I apologize for suggestion multiplayer if the map is too big for battle.net. I never even realized this.

 

[Kwaliti]

Battle.net? Cinematics? God, you must be insane. Give one valid reason for a downgrade, and multiplayer incompatibility is not a valid reason.

 

[CMarket]

The thing is, you did downgrade the only two maps that had a perfect rating. And you call me an idiot, when it is you who give a reason for downgrade "It's not multiplayer ready".

I remember your earlier downgrade, back when my SotHM 7 had a perfect score:

It is not multiplayer ready, I am very biased towards games that require or at least suggest teamplay.

I know that sounds like a bad reason to rate well made original map "average", but thats what it is to me - just an average (1) player map...

Why not make it an online campaign..? Even 2-4 players is sufficient IMO.

WTF? I stood silently, didn't even complain, but this is just WAY TO OBVIOUS. I mean come on, downgrading the only 3 maps that had a perfect score?

 

[Kwaliti]

Now that I look closely at this...

Teamplay?! Multiplayer ready?! ONLINE CAMPAIGN?!

>.<

God, I just can't wait for Mecheon to see this.

 

[Joe-black-5]

seemed very long and I wish it supported more players!

you have no tast in art and dont apreciate tallant.
maximum map size for multiplayer is 4mb, so that was a stupid suggetion from you, you need to know more before random talk.

I've watched all of your cinematics (downloaded them all in the same day actually) and rated the first one. Rated the first one and came back; downloaded this one, rated.

You're like the assholes who invent conspiracy theories. You think you see a pattern some how? Do yourself a favor and stop being an idiot.

And I didn't rate your map 3/5. I put 4/5.

HOWEVER I apologize for suggestion multiplayer if the map is too big for battle.net. I never even realized this.

every person even moderators find it exelant, but you gave it and 4/5, who are you to decide that this map is not perfect, remembre you are not watching a high quality movie, this is a warcraft 3 map, i dare anyone to create such a map, with an incredible storie and imagination, you sir have lost your respect in this post, you are still a beginner here (better than saying noob) and you dont know mush about map making and triggering and how difficulte to make a cinematic like this one, C Market worked hard on each of his cinematics to make them almost perfect (nothing is perfect).
im sorry but i need to tell you this: you are the idiot, please if you dont like this map, dont download the next version, this map is only reserved for winners, and like you said winning is for winners and i dont think you are one.
have a nice day
good bye and good luck

 

[Cokemonkey11]

you have no tast in art and dont apreciate tallant.
maximum map size for multiplayer is 4mb, so that was a stupid suggetion from you, you need to know more before random talk.



every person even moderators find it exelant, but you gave it and 4/5, who are you to decide that this map is not perfect, remembre you are not watching a high quality movie, this is a warcraft 3 map, i dare anyone to create such a map, with an incredible storie and imagination, you sir have lost your respect in this post, you are still a beginner here (better than saying noob) and you dont know mush about map making and triggering and how difficulte to make a cinematic like this one, C Market worked hard on each of his cinematics to make them almost perfect (nothing is perfect).
im sorry but i need to tell you this: you are the idiot, please if you dont like this map, dont download the next version, this map is only reserved for winners, and like you said winning is for winners and i dont think you are one.
have a nice day
good bye and good luck

I began to quote your message when orca returned this:

Please don't start talking to me about loss of respect until you can present me with a readable paragraph. You don't know who I am or my background and I'll start by saying I'm an administrator of an art forum and therefor most likely have a taste in art. I appreciate talent where talent is deserved. I know maximum map size is 4mb (on BNET) and even apologized to CMarket for not realizing it when I said it. No suggestion is stupid, and I know more than you. I understand everyone around from "fanboys" to newer people to moderators find this map excellent, but who are YOU to tell me I'm not entitled to my own opinion? I understand the map and the storyline make this map very nice, but 4/5 is very nice and that's what I rated it. I am most definitely not a beginner here and I guarantee I know more about map making and triggering than you. I haven't seen CMarket's code in these maps yet but I guarantee if they aren't done in 100% flawless leakless vJass, I can do better. I agree CMarket worked hard on these maps and they are well made. I'm not going to deny you of your opinion, and if you think I am an idiot, well congratulations.
Have a nice day; good bye and good luck.

 

[Eccho]

<>I haven't seen CMarket's code in these maps yet but I guarantee if they aren't done in 100% flawless leakless vJass, I can do better

Im just going to say, that, in a single player cinematic, triggers doesnt matter that much. if the cinematic would be coded in Gui or in Jass would actually show a small effect. Jass is only more efficient in this matter. Just some info^^ No offense from me.

Edit: I didnt really follow what you argued above, I read the last post, sorry for that. So maybe this reply was haphazard

 

[Joe-black-5]

I began to quote your message when orca returned this:

Please don't start talking to me about loss of respect until you can present me with a readable paragraph. You don't know who I am or my background and I'll start by saying I'm an administrator of an art forum and therefor most likely have a taste in art. I appreciate talent where talent is deserved. I know maximum map size is 4mb (on BNET) and even apologized to CMarket for not realizing it when I said it. No suggestion is stupid, and I know more than you. I understand everyone around from "fanboys" to newer people to moderators find this map excellent, but who are YOU to tell me I'm not entitled to my own opinion? I understand the map and the storyline make this map very nice, but 4/5 is very nice and that's what I rated it. I am most definitely not a beginner here and I guarantee I know more about map making and triggering than you. I haven't seen CMarket's code in these maps yet but I guarantee if they aren't done in 100% flawless leakless vJass, I can do better. I agree CMarket worked hard on these maps and they are well made. I'm not going to deny you of your opinion, and if you think I am an idiot, well congratulations.
Have a nice day; good bye and good luck.

why so angry, english is my 3rd language, and it does not have a relation with anything, i dont know you or your back ground, but from the first look you seemed anoying, and you lost your respect by many people, been a teacher in a school dont mean a person is smart, same thing, been an administrator of an art forum dont mean you have a taste in art, this is not a fact, and it is not proven, "I appreciate talent where talent is deserved" "and I know more than you" you dont seem to appreciate anything, you seem like you only talk about yourself and you think your better than people, "I haven't seen CMarket's code in these maps yet but I guarantee if they aren't done in 100% flawless leakless vJass, I can do better." how do you know, and why do you think you can do better, if you can do better then do a better cinematic, i am waiting to see what you got.
hope you stop making lame excuse about my english in your next replies and stop talking things you are and what you can do

"a person cant know himself well, others do"
good luck and have fun
and btw
Grow up

 

[Cokemonkey11]

<>I haven't seen CMarket's code in these maps yet but I guarantee if they aren't done in 100% flawless leakless vJass, I can do better

Im just going to say, that, in a single player cinematic, triggers doesnt matter that much. if the cinematic would be coded in Gui or in Jass would actually show a small effect. Jass is only more efficient in this matter. Just some info^^ No offense from me.

Edit: I didnt really follow what you argued above, I read the last post, sorry for that. So maybe this reply was haphazard

In a single player cinematic nothing that has to do with lag or leaks matter, you're right. Sorry for not specifying. I was sort of answering what Joe said in order. He mentioned something about me not knowing how to trigger for maps.

why so angry, english is my 3rd language, and it does not have a relation with anything, i dont know you or your back ground, but from the first look you seemed anoying, and you lost your respect by many people, been a teacher in a school dont mean a person is smart, same thing, been an administrator of an art forum dont mean you have a taste in art, this is not a fact, and it is not proven, "I appreciate talent where talent is deserved" "and I know more than you" you dont seem to appreciate anything, you seem like you only talk about yourself and you think your better than people, "I haven't seen CMarket's code in these maps yet but I guarantee if they aren't done in 100% flawless leakless vJass, I can do better." how do you know, and why do you think you can do better, if you can do better then do a better cinematic, i am waiting to see what you got.
hope you stop making lame excuse about my english in your next replies and stop talking things you are and what you can do

"a person cant know himself well, others do"
good luck and have fun
and btw
Grow up

I'll admit the whole time I was arguing against your spelling I was worried English wasn't, as a foreigner once told me "[your maiden language]". In that case I apologize; even if it was only your second language I have no right to judge. However, it does have to do with it, especially when you're insulting my intelligence and calling me unrespectable. I agree a teacher isn't always smart and an art administrator isn't always a guru of art, but wouldn't you agree it sort of puts me in a position where either I know what I'm doing or I don't? "You lost your respect by many people" Who? You and CMarket? DILLIGAF? "you dont seem to appreciate anything" What don't I appreciate? "you seem to talk about yourself" after you talk about me. Here is your direct quote.

"you are still a beginner here (better than saying noob) and you dont know mush about map making and triggering and how difficulte to make a cinematic like this one"

That is the reason I began talking about myself.

"how do you know, and why do you think you can do better, if you can do better then do a better cinematic, i am waiting to see what you got. "

I know because I code in clean near-leakless vJass. I can do better because I've been mapping across the board for long enough now where I know what it takes to do everything available. However I don't have the time or patience (which is part of the reason I respect CMarket) to make an entire cinematic through. I don't build many game-ready maps, which you will see if you play one of my maps hosted here. But if you tried one of my (insert integer >10,000) concepts you'd see that I know what I'm doing.

Hopefully next time you reply to me you won't say dumb shitty insulting things like "grow up"

 

[Septimus]

I am locking this thread temporary.

Everybody who involve in this war by trolling/flamming one another have been neg rep.

Edit : I have discuss this matter with Mecheon and he agree all user who join this war would be punish with negative reputation.

In the future, please do not involve in war by calling people a idiot or a asshole. If you seen such a note, please use the report button and we mod/admin would deal with it.

 

[Restor]

Cinematic is based to be singleplayer, and I do not know if it can run as MP, cos some people dont have the "fastest" pc in universe, and if it lag, it will lag more in MP

 

[hellblazer-14]

Hey Cmarket!

Great job on your cinematic... I see what all the fuss about it is...

PROS ---

- The Terrain was stunning, and fit very well with all the parts of the story
- The Storyline was very original, and I enjoyed it.
- The Cameras were very fluid, no jerky movements, and did a great job showcasing the very beautiful terrain

- The voice overs for all the characters made the cinematic more interesting, and gave it more depth, even though some were a little dark and hard to understand...

CONS ---

- Some of the Voices (mainly the Necromancer (sorry, forgot his proper name, but everyone seems to call him that xD) were very dank, and were pretty hard to understand.. maybe consider raising the Pitch a little with an audio editing program like Audacity, it'll make it so much easier to understand.

- There were a few very minor grammatical errors, but everyone makes some

- Some parts carry on a little long, so they can get a little boring.

Thats all I can tell you, You've done a marvellous job, and I hope to see the rest of your series soon, it shows real promise!!!

 

[NearbyHermit]

Sure it is,we hope another ice breaking part of this saga appears soon!

 

[redmarine]

Well, the sounds are a bit dead and there were some flaws here and there. The animations were somewhat annoying. Bah just kidding awesome work! 6/5 GO GO GO!

 

[Eccho]

I already watched it hm?

Pros:
Cmarket have done it
Cons:
Im getting impatient for the next chapter

 

[NearbyHermit]

The next one is coming soon enough!

 

[riusey]

He Said that next chapter would be released in 4 days! ! !

 

[NearbyHermit]

Well,that's it .Stay tunned,I'll do the countdown!

 

[redmarine]

So, 3 days from now? I'm so excited!

 

[Byaku]

So, 3 days again next version will release!!!!!