[Campaign] Tales of Silventria

[Lord Siler]

@Siler
Any chance you can make the terrain for the air - combat map, I may be busy in the comming weeks

(damn I got so carried away that I accidently posted this in the arkain thread a minute ago ....I deleted it when i realized it was the wrong thread)

I can make it but provide some guideline so you won't be disappointment by the result

 

[Colonel Aster]

@Blake8

Shouldn't the Zephyr unit have evasion, its kinda implied by the name that it is really fast, so would this not logically be the ability it possesses

 

[Lord Siler]

@Blake8
Regarding the "upgrade spell" the only way I was able to get it to function while staying true to our original design was to use Avatar instead of any other ability, thus the unit grows in size and is magically immune during the effect, but everything else goes as planned. I will send you a copy once I'm sure it works properly.

 

[Blake8]

@Siler One problem, doesn't this mean the expiration timer on the unit will say "Avatar" instead of what the spell name will be?

 

[Lord Siler]

I've looked into this and it seems that even clones of avatar are hard coded to display whatever name is used in the original avatar buff

Fortunately I thought up a solution; simply change the buff's name to "Longevity", basically both Avatar and this new spell's expiration timer will now display "longevity", so it's all good, mission accomplished!

 

[Blake8]

@Blake8

Shouldn't the Zephyr unit have evasion, its kinda implied by the name that it is really fast, so would this not logically be the ability it possesses

I put tons of effort into balancing the unit, it's gonna become too damn op if I give it evasion, so if I do Im gonna either have to decrease its attack, lower its hp or increase its cooldown (which wont make any sense if I do it) to keep the unit balanced

 

[BABA]

Nice concept and good original idea

 

[Blake8]

@Siler, that app you recommended is crap, it slows you down to a crawl. Now regarding the map, I send you the parameters in the e-mail, you dont have to follow them exactly but stick to them when possible, I'll focus on developing the story more, but there are lots of directions we could go with this

 

[Lord Siler]

Hey check this out: Veigar's Event Horizon and Primoridal Burst

we can make major headway with this, basically build spells that have a certain % chance of casting curse, banish, soul burn, etc.

 

[Colonel Aster]

ill check it out

 

[Blake8]

@Siler Ok, but can you get it to work without glitching up the map even more?

 

[Lord Siler]

@Siler Ok, but can you get it to work without glitching up the map even more?

Well that's the question ain't it

@Colonel Aster

The original trigger that we wanted to implement was essentially using a trigger to disable a unit's abilities during its metamorphosis, and give the clone it becomes enhanced abilities

this would be done by having a unit metamorphose (for 60 sec) into a clone of itself that had 4 non-hero abilities that were more powerful than its hero abilities, while its hero abilities were disabled using this trigger

• ULTi
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Begins casting an ability
  • Conditions
    • (Ability being cast) Equal to Metamorphosis
  • Actions
    • Player - Disable Battle Roar for (Owner of (Casting unit))
    • Player - Disable Banish for (Owner of (Casting unit))
    • Wait 60.00 game-time seconds
    • Player - Enable Battle Roar for (Owner of (Casting unit))
    • Player - Enable Banish for (Owner of (Casting unit))

the problem with it is simply that it gives the player access to enhanced abilities really early on, just makes the hero too OP, and it doesn't look too good, so we went with what we currently have.... a hero casts a modified avatar this sets off a trigger that gives him a modified engineering upgrade ability, which then gets taken away when 60 sec go by, during those 60 seconds all of the Heroes spells are enhanced, he also has spell immunity and regenerates mana at a quicker rate (we got the original idea from trance states from one of the final fantasy games)

 

[Razorfang]

hey siler good job with that ultimate, whatever name you give it


however regarding those orbs, and the attack register or whatever, do we even know what we;re doing?

 

[Lord Siler]

I sure as hell dont know jass but its up to Blake to decide if he wants to use it or not, I just pointed out that it may be real useful

good job on the terraining of the forest map btw

 

[Blake8]

Im not sure about the whole "damage detection" system yet, like Siler said it has potential, but it can also glitch things up

 

[Blake8]

Nevermind I don't think that damage detection system is a good idea, it could seriously screw things up

 

[Lord Siler]

@Blake8

I agree, it would interfere with some other spells we currently use, and we don't want more glitches

also I started working on the summoning spell

 

[Blake8]

Now that I think about it I may reconsider it, just think of all the potential this could have

 

[Lord Siler]

Think about this: It involves using a whole new system we know little or nothing about, plus it interferes with other abilities

you have testers but no one wants to test a map which glitches at frequent intervals because some tiny portion of a trigger or ability is done incorrectly

 

[Blake8]

ok, we will discuss this later, hows the progress going?

 

[Lord Siler]

Well you had a brilliant mechanic having a hero summon a dummy using the tornado spell which then summons a golem, but this just isn't practical; the enemy would just attack the caster, even if he got a +25 armor bonus he would go down, so instead I modified storm earth and fire to essentially transform the unit into the golem or "earth titan" or whatever you wanna call it, it just makes the spell more practical to use

 

[Blake8]

Ok, guess youre right on that one, but what about any progress on the mist summoning spell?

 

[Lord Siler]

I'm still working on that, I got some ideas but it isn't easy to implement, I think you're gonna like what I have in mind

@Razorfang
excellent terraining

 

[Blake8]

sounds like the spell is going in a new direction

 

[Lord Siler]

Something like that

I'll let you see when I'm done, its gonna be different from what you and Colonel Aster wanted, but I think you as well as the players will like it more

 

[Blake8]

I hope so, I started on island map btw

 

[Lord Siler]

Good to know, I was gonna start on the aerial combat map, but I just don't know where to start or even what tilset to use, I'll get it done once I actually start on it

 

[Razorfang]

Now that I think about it I may reconsider it, just think of all the potential this could have

Dont try implementing anything before you understand its mechanics, as far as I know this could make the maps x10 glitchier, and I've had enough with testing glitching maps with flawed triggers

 

[Lord Siler]

@Razorfang
I completely agree with you on this one, thought it was a great idea at first, now I know I'm pretty sure that it aint

 

[Razorfang]

you guys should just start working on those aerial combat fights you were talking about, I would LOVE to play those

 

[Blake8]

Like i said we'll discuss this issue later.

 

[Lord Siler]

we'll do that soon enough, as long as we stay on track

also
@Colonel Aster
thanks for the links to those models

 

[Blake8]

@Siler, so what do you think about the wip I send you?

 

[Lord Siler]

To be honest its a good concept, but it'll need lots of refinement

 

[Lord Siler]

@Blake8 so what are your thoughts on the new Arcane Might spell I implemented?

 

[Blake8]

Excellent, way better than what I was expecting, keep up the great work

 

[Lord Siler]

Thanks, I e-mailed the new update (summoning spell+triggers) to you as well as your testers just now, see if you like it

also if you need extra units just take those silver soldiers, give them the name "silver sword" or something of the sort, around 700 hp and critical strike, that would balance things out

 

[Lord Siler]

@Blake8

use this: OrbOfWind

 

[Blake8]

thanks man

 

[Lord Siler]

still working on the 2nd map?

 

[Razorfang]

@Siler, if you're still around, I asked blake for the latest alphas to test, he told me to to ask you since you were improving the alphas, can you plz provide these...me and the others are ready to test some new missions

 

[Lord Siler]

well if Blake said it, here you go,

it has no intro or outro cinematic and some other stuff is missing...but...well I can say is have fun

 

[Blake8]

@Siler, remove that post immediately, if you want to send something to our testers send it through email, and dont post it here fore everyone to see

 

[Lord Siler]

Ok, I did as you asked

 

[Blake8]

ok thanks, any suggestions regardingew the new maps

 

[Lord Siler]

I have one suggestion regarding the Raid of Rhivenhall map, remember how you wanted it to have a long intro?

Well what if instead of just the heroes having a long conversation with that mage at the entrance, you would show all the high councilors sitting in the "high council conclave" room (the upper-right most room on the 2nd floor) and discussion what to do with the situation, essentially saying that playtime is over and that it's time to double our efforts (start summoning demons, etc.)

Think about this for a moment, I think it would look great, and give the chapter a slightly different feeling

 

[Colonel Aster]

That's a really good idea, I suggest you guys implement it

 

[Lord Siler]

I'm not very good at cinematics, but I'll definitely try this if Blake doesn't wanna do it himself

This intro will make the chapter so much more awesome

 

[Blake8]

@Siler WHat you mentioned is indeed a great idea, however you shoud've just e-mailed or pm me the concept, your basically just spoiling the campaign for anyone who reads these thread...I suggest you remove your post

 

[Lord Siler]

OK, but its much more constructive discussing ideas here than over e-mail, pm or anything else, not everyone is around at a single time to chat, and I feel like an open thread is the best way to go