Starcraft - No LAN Support!

[Karawasa]

Can you say CD key gen?

Can you say cracked version.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Cracks and keygens have viruses, sometimes hidden and not detectable by your anti-virus. The virus cracks and keygens are on websites you think are normal - rapidhsare, megaupload, depositfiles, filefactory, torrents and any uploading website. Not to say, they suck.

 

[Eleandor]

But so what with people playing SC1 on LAN without having bought the game? The fact people still play the game 10 years later is quite a large achievement. And I don't think SC1 ever sold "badly". Main question that remains is: will people who otherwise pirated it now buy the game? I really doubt it, especially because they STILL can't get on LAN with a legal copy.

No, what I can see happen right now is people ditching SC2 and just sticking to starcraft 1 on lan parties. And thát's going to have quite an impact on how popular SC2 will be in 10 years from now. Hell, make it 5 years. I bet that at that point, SC2 will be kept alive by the mods, just like warcraft 3. And I can't say the popularity of the melee play of war3 is even remotely close to the popularity of SC1.

Yeah, you're totally right. There's nothing I can say to prove you wrong because you're so awesome.

 

[zeldarules28]

Yah I actually enjoy SC1's multiplayer game more than WC3's multiplayer mode but WC3 has better graphics and a better campaign +editor. I havent played normal WC3 multiplayer since I got SC1. Its just better. I can't wait for the SC2 editor though that looks reall, really awesome.

 

[Karawasa]

Cracks and keygens have viruses, sometimes hidden and not detectable by your anti-virus. The virus cracks and keygens are on websites you think are normal - rapidhsare, megaupload, depositfiles, filefactory, torrents and any uploading website. Not to say, they suck.

I bet I'll find one on ScT if the situation plays out like everyone is expecting. Can't say that I worry much about viruses there. But I don't LAN so the point is moot. The moral of the story is that private trackers are the way to go for these type of things.

 

[KatOne]

Good. Helps versus piracy and there is really no pros to it. I wholly sympathize with Blizzard on this.

ITT: We hate humanity and their nasty byproduct "culture".

Furthermore, Blizzard has stated that this is not a choice that has anything at all to do with piracy. They specifically pointed out the absence of any relation to piracy in their decision to not include LAN.

From Wikipedia;
"Rob Pardo indicated in a June interview that LAN support would not be included in StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty.[49][50][51] Their reason was to force players to use Battle.net. Blizzard has stated that piracy had nothing to do with this decision as "Piracy has never really affected" them. This has created a large amount of protest mainly in the form of online petitions, and calls for boycotting the game.[52] It has been reported that Blizzard is considering implementing a system whereby a LAN connection is possible after first authenticating with Battle.net.[53]"

This openly translates to "We love centralization and getting our power fix more than we love our customers, also we've decided to maim our brainchild specifically because we can, lulz epic win". I argue this is a textbook dick move on their part.

It's totally badass to metaphorically grab SCII, chop off a leg with a machete and proudly declare "Now it can't walk by itself, it needs this crutch called Bnet, we're innovators lulz, also cutting edge and industry leading hurr durr derp derp derp!!11!1".

I love Blizzard, but i don't always love their decisions.

 

[PurplePoot]

I highly doubt it isn't related to piracy (regardless of what they said), seeing as you will be logging into battle.net even for playing Single Player (you don't have to, but you can and probably will want to). In addition, if you need to first authenticate with battle.net there is no reason to have a LAN service; you can simply host a private game online.

 

[Traxamillion]

Lan is Gay IMO who needs lan when you can play online.

 

[The World Is Flat]

When you can't play online? Do i need to explain that?

 

[Dr Super Good]

When you can not play online, you play singleplayer which I am sure blizzard supports.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Agreed, but still it seems strange that even if you are next to 5 other gamers, you all have your own copy, and you all have wireless lan, but you don't have internet but you can game togther? thats all im saying.

 

[Dr Super Good]

95% or more of all LAN use in WC3 was WAN through the internet. Thus blizzard is giving people what they want.

As long as you are all on a internet scheem like ADSL through the LAN, you can still play as long as each player remembers their account name and password (it uses accounts rather than installation keys).
The way networks behave is that you will play via LAN with each other even if you host public internet game as long as no other person joins who is from outside the LAN, in which case the host will just be communicating with him outside the LAN and the rest of the players via LAN.

This is why my brother DLs maps I host in like 1-2 seconds on battlenet when other players not on my LAN take minutes.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Yes i understood this, but it become a problem, if, say a houses router can only take like 1 computer online aat atime.

 

[Hunter9G]

Also not to mention the fact that this means people who cant host games are royally screwed on that part of the deal. I for one cannot host WC3 games because im on a Mac. and since almost all of my friends have macs, this means we would be unable to play together. at all unless we get lucky and join same online game, which would of course defeat the purpose of LAN.

 

[redmarine]

Also not to mention the fact that this means people who cant host games are royally screwed on that part of the deal. I for one cannot host WC3 games because im on a Mac. and since almost all of my friends have macs, this means we would be unable to play together. at all unless we get lucky and join same online game, which would of course defeat the purpose of LAN.

Dude, having a Mac has nothing to do with not being able to host. The problem lies within your router's firewall blocking incoming hosting connections.

 

[PurplePoot]

Also not to mention the fact that this means people who cant host games are royally screwed on that part of the deal. I for one cannot host WC3 games because im on a Mac. and since almost all of my friends have macs, this means we would be unable to play together. at all unless we get lucky and join same online game, which would of course defeat the purpose of LAN.

You can host on your LAN even if you can't host for people on BNet (that is to say, you can host on BNet and people from your LAN can join).

Also, unrelated to having a mac.

 

[redmarine]

You can host on your LAN even if you can't host for people on BNet (that is to say, you can host on BNet and people from your LAN can join).

Also, unrelated to having a mac.

Blizzard hasn't told us how they will tackle the problem as of yet. What I expect Blizzard to do is basically what you said but added that the LAN feature is Battle.net 2.0 only and isn't accessible in an offline mode.

 

[Bane]

How often do people play lan? Don't just go off on a rant with no info to back it up, i play lan like twice a year just for kicks; it won't affect the game that much.

 

[Bloody_Turds]

@who has a buncha comps in a game room with different cdkeys
I do ^^, i have 5 keys(5 roc, 5 tft) bought legitly between me and my cousin, we often have friends come over and play online, (sometimes lan, cause the internet does go down...), I also hate how bnet doesnt allow registration of more than 1 key per game per accnt
Lan isnt a deciding factor for me, but it would definently help if it existed...
@keygens/cracks have virus's
this isnt always the case..., but anything you download could potentially be infected.

aslong as my comp meets the min requirements i definently plan on buying the game, and i doubt anything said about it will change that (other than a required monthly fee)

 

[zeldarules28]

I understand why blizzard doesnt want a bunch of people just gicing out the game to thier friends or things like that but LAN is all I play on starcraft 1. By the time the entire series is done, were talking about a $150 series. So what it souds like is that if me and my brother want to play on sperate computeres, we pay for the $150 dollar game TWICE? That seems riduculous.

 

[LordDz]

I understand why blizzard doesnt want a bunch of people just gicing out the game to thier friends or things like that but LAN is all I play on starcraft 1. By the time the entire series is done, were talking about a $150 series. So what it souds like is that if me and my brother want to play on sperate computeres, we pay for the $150 dollar game TWICE? That seems riduculous.

Yet you only need one of them to play the whole starcraft battle.net experience.

 

[PurplePoot]

It's called expansions. I didn't see anyone complaining about TFT (in fact, it was awesome).

Besides, by the time you get the second set the games will presumably have dropped in price.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Poot is quite right.

 

[Teldrassil]

I have always loved LAN in Blizzard games, it was one of the major reasons why I bought them. Blizzard had this genius idea to make it so LAN does not require different CD Keys but Battle.Net does. If in SC2 you have to register your game's CD Key to Battle.net this means that friends of mine who do not own the game will no longer be able to play with me in LAN. We have a total of 6 computers in my house, all running war3 with the same cd keys, I constantly have friends over to LAN and test new maps, with this system that's supposedly being implemented I can no longer do that. (also, all 6 computers can't be connected to the internet at the same time)

Sure the amount of buyers who this will affect isn't going to be tremendously huge, but I for one am not looking forward to repeating the same old single player missions alone because my friends can't LAN with me and can't afford the game.

 

[PurplePoot]

That wasn't what LAN was for. The EULA specifically states that what you are doing is illegal.

 

[Teldrassil]

Really? if it was illegal why is it allowed in the game? I didn't edit the files in anyway that's just how it was set up.

Edit: and if playing on a LAN is not what LAN is used for then what is it's purpose? and why does it not CD Key check when you do it?

I read the EULA again, that's pretty lame actually. *sigh* ah well guess I'll go uninstall, not like we use those other three comps much anymore anyways.

 

[PurplePoot]

No one is actually going to enforce that (so by all means leave it on your other computers), but the point is that they don't really have any obligation to continue supporting that "feature".

 

[Teldrassil]

ah fair enough, well it'd be nice if that made that "feature" legit but I don't see that happening, so I guess I'll just make do.

 

[The World Is Flat]

You can;t ignore that they made it extremely easy to play lan, they could have thrown in a keycheck... And also, this problem remains even if you have a copy for each computer. his six friends can't play LAN if they cant authenticate on b.net at the same time. so even if they all have games, the problem remains that not all of us have magical connections that allow multiple computers on at the same time, and even that is expensive. Even if you can use lan once you have connected, what if you computer can only manage one connection at a time? you would have to dissconnect from b.net in order to use lan, and you would be dis-connected...

 

[zeldarules28]

OK Im not sure about this. Does SC2 require you to log in just to play multiplayer, or do you need to log in to do ANYTHING, like single player? And if thats 1cd key per account then every person in my family would be paying fifty bucks just to play OFFLINE together...Can somebody clarify which features you have to be logged inb to use?

 

[The World Is Flat]

No, to play single player all you habe to do is buy it, but to play online you have to have a b.net account. there is no LAN only at all, only if you are connected by LAN and by internet is it allowed.

 

[Azeroc]

Blizzard games need for single-playe only needs any kind cd-key, even cracked ones. But biggest fun in Blizzard games is Multiplayer feature, but for this feature you need valid one-use cd-key.

I am kinda Torrenter, I would surely download Singleplayer ONLY games (liek Aassassins Creed 2) , but I will buy Blizzard games, since I care for BNet mainly xD

 

[The World Is Flat]

Meh I think that mainly those makers deserve money for a good product.

 

[Azeroc]

Well, I guess they won't mind if a person from millions of persons won't pay, say... some 20-30 $?

 

[The World Is Flat]

But what happerns when 400,00 people don't pay?

 

[redmarine]

But what happerns when 400,00 people don't pay?

It has always been that way but who cares. As long as Blizzard makes good games I will pay them like I always have.

 

[Linaze]

SC Garena anyone?

 

[redmarine]

SC Garena anyone?

Won't work. And since now it isn't legal according to their license it won't happen. ICCUP and Garena won't support the game unless they want to get sued and lose.

 

[Hunter9G]

Dude, having a Mac has nothing to do with not being able to host. The problem lies within your router's firewall blocking incoming hosting connections.

Yea well appearently it does because i have had it allow WC3 in my hosting connections for years, trying it several different ways and never getting hosting results. my friends with their macs have also tried to do it with the same problem. so if anyone has any suggestions on how to fix it, then i shall once again go back to being an observer of this forum.

 

[rover2341]

I have had lan party's in the last 5-6 years with warcraft 3 and starcraft and still go with friends every few months. But, That being said most of the time we could have connected to the internet. Not all the of time, But most. So, Overall it will hardly effect me. I hope and that i can log in online, then go to offline mode and then play with freinds offline, if we have too. But It may not be allowed my guess is no. Anyway thats my input.

 

[Ice Bane]

I don't like it either, me and my friends use to have offline-LAN since that builds up a diffrent feeling. Cause if you have internet theres always some lamer who starts playing wow by himself or w/e.

 

[rover2341]

Haha that's so funny and its true. the last two lan party's i was apart of that had internet, people would get side track and then it was like a bunch of people siting in a room doing there own thing, It was really duem.

 

[zeldarules28]

What about offline multiplayer? Like if you play aginst a computer or something? Does that require a cd key? Because if its just Bnet thats not so bad.

 

[redmarine]

What about offline multiplayer? Like if you play aginst a computer or something? Does that require a cd key? Because if its just Bnet thats not so bad.

There won't be offline multiplayer. Only online.

 

[The World Is Flat]

What he means it that you can only play against computers offline.

 

[redmarine]

What he means it that you can only play against computers offline.

Playing skirmish is not considered multiplayer.

And having users as allies vs computer is still considered multiplayer.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Yes i know, i wnat referring to it in that sense, i meant at all only computers.

 

[redmarine]

Yes i know, i wnat referring to it in that sense, i meant at all only computers.

That I don't know. Haven't heard any words from Blizzard regarding this and I doubt they have said anything official neither.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Neither do i.

 

[zeldarules28]

Ok because it definintly needs a computer. Now all we need to do is survive another year b4 it comes out.