Solar Conquest v0.97e

[Brambleclaw]

No I am most certainly playing the new version maybe you are playing the old version. There is a land based missile silo which can fire tactical space missiles or nuclear ones if you have the tech. Rushing shields is not comparable to rushing nukes because rushing nukes will win you the game wile rushing shields will only keep you from losing it.


Love that theory 0.0


Rushing nukes will win you the game
Rushing shields stops you from losing it.

Em wait so what happened if i rushed Shields when u rushed nukes. Hey wait i would live.
And what happened if my ally rushed galactic cannon which you cant stop from firing. Hey wait thats insta death o.o

I was playing 0.96b prot

Techinically i dont even need to rush shields. I can just surround my base with Turrets like 4 of em maybe or 5. or some ships. Tbh you have to be pretty dumb to let a ship just sail into your planet. Im obvs that dumb :O



I would love to play against you . but please tell me your server.

Although even if you did nuke rush me that would have nothing to do with "nuke rush op" It would be due to me failing as a noob. Since i rarely go out into space much as its rare for me to find a game where people randomly rush. IT always ends up mass non agression very few play agressively

Although i dont like 1v1//

 

[Arcmage]

I can play on any server although I normally play East.

If you rushed shields while your ally rushed galactic I would have plenty of time to adapt because rushing galactic takes allot more time than rushing nukes. This assumes you have an ally.

Btw you can shoot down a galactic cannon shell with a well timed space nuke for 1/3ed the cost.

my g/n is arcmage yours?

 

[Brambleclaw]

g/n Brambleclaw (Northrend although are clan bot is cross server)...Always though galactic was unstoppable oh well im not 100% sure on that. Either way i would guess then i would have to send in a fleet to destract you while the galactic cannon fires

Eitherway it wastes ur nukes and nukes have an epic CD also nukes are useless vs shields

 

[kiloneie]

The vast majority of serious games do not go into the late game. The result of the game is already decided at that point by who has the most resources. If people do not have capital ships by the time you have a galactic cannon that just means they are playing poorly. The Galactic cannon is not under powered and has its niche as a game ender but its certainly not Op. Shields take much more tech than nukes. I will show you in game if you like.

P.S. Galactic cannon shots CAN be intercepted they onlt have about twice as much life as nukes (3500 life rather than 1500) and as a single shot costs about 3x as much and the cannon costs much much more then they are easier to intercept than nukes for there price.

WRONG i played a lot of games where i was highly losing and then i pwned em 100 to 1 don't say such bullshit things.

Galactic cannons are not Op at all. They are really just anti turtle weapons that are inefficient for there price. Nukes are very very Op considering how inexpensive and powerful they are. (They are one of the first final tiers you get access to).

However all of that is irrelevant unless TKF or Callex hands the map over to someone or one of them starts working on it again. It would be sad to see solar conquest die.

And why let Solar Conquest die ? please just tell me the F. reason. And Brambleclaw is my buddy and i assure you i am no map killer.

 

[Arcmage]

It is not up to me weather solar lives or dies. That is in Callex hands now I would prefer he passed it on to someone or started working on it but its his choice.

Don't double post. Allot of games do go into late game but usually not between serious players. When I play against casual players I always let it go into late game.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Arcmage o.o if it never goes late game either yes your casual or you or your opponent is a complete noob or incompatant.

 

[Arcmage]

I have played over 100 games of Solar Conquest since the very first versions of the game so I am certainly not casual or new. I did not say it NEVER goes late game just the vast majority of serious games end quickly without late game tech playing a major role.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Archmage again that is doubtfull due to with equal best play there should be late game teching involved as a must as late tech is end game there to stop ties. Now so that it doesnt tie there must be a weaker player. So therefore most serious games are played against weak players and not really serious -.-

 

[Arcmage]

That is assuming the two players use the exact same strategy. If two players are both skilled players both will use a reasonable strategy and execute it well. Whichever players strategy works better on the other will win. As the most powerful strategies are short or mid game strategies then the game will usually have ended before late game with one players strategy ether successfully killing the other player or failing and being counter attacked and killed.

If your long term strategies are working well its probably just because the opponent is also playing a long term strategy or is simply not very good at the game.

Finally I might clarify that I mean the meat of the game does not go on to late game. You might wait until then to finish the opponent off but usually by then the amount of territory has been decided unevenly enough that the winner is obvious and the late game hardly matters.

 

[RouGe_WiZaRD]

u should get someone do the ai for you if don't have the time to do it yourself

 

[Brambleclaw]

That is assuming the two players use the exact same strategy. If two players are both skilled players both will use a reasonable strategy and execute it well. Whichever players strategy works better on the other will win. As the most powerful strategies are short or mid game strategies then the game will usually have ended before late game with one players strategy ether successfully killing the other player or failing and being counter attacked and killed.

If your long term strategies are working well its probably just because the opponent is also playing a long term strategy or is simply not very good at the game.

Finally I might clarify that I mean the meat of the game does not go on to late game. You might wait until then to finish the opponent off but usually by then the amount of territory has been decided unevenly enough that the winner is obvious and the late game hardly matters.

Again this requires a weaker player

 

[Dragonsz]

@brambleclaw You can make a ground based missle silo's the tech that lets you make them is interplanetary missle balistics its at the ground tech reaserch centre, when you make it you can launch basic missles at ships in space and if you have nukes reaserched you can fire nukes from it into space and you also have the option to fire a nuke anywhere on the ground on the same planet the launcher is on without specialists or anything.

 

[clockwork2]

can you show me the specialists models link?i'm thinking of using it in a project.also there is a bug with the biological warfare upgrade i'm not sure if it's been fixed but if you research it you can build nukes anyways*though it also fires it regardless of where you direct it toward you home base*i like the final tech system though

 

[UndeadImmortal]

My Review:
(+) Space view
(+) Planet's atmosphere and ground surface
(+) Nice races with good technology researches
(+/-) The terrain is good, you should improve it a little bit
(+/-) You should decrease the number of space pirates
(-) The research it required is not on the research building

More PROS than CONS, keep up the good work Callex!

 

[copsychus]

I got lag when i created a lot of units[lategame] but some ppl didn't get this lag, how can i fix this . . .

 

[Arcmage]

Unit lag is caused by your computer not being able to keep up with he map. Playing the game on a nicer computer will fix unit lag. If you were getting lag and no one else was that simply means you were using the least powerful computer.

 

[Avrion]

Hi, I'm the original creator of a popular map in Warcraft III known as Azeroth Wars Legacy Reborn (which still has an active forum here with more than 45,000 posts: http://diplomunion.com/forumdisplay.php?92-Azeroth-Wars-Legacy-Reborn).

Azeroth Wars strategy map in which you play as one of the nations at the start of the Third War. A kind of 'make your own history' map. I'm currently looking to create a similar map, except with interplanetary action in the Koprulu Sector for Starcraft II.

The design of this map is highly impressive and I would love to be able to look at it for some inspiration. There is absolutely no reason for me to try to steal this. So if you find yourself feeling kind, please send a copy of the map to me.

PM me if any of you are willing.

Thanks

 

[SuperCoolPie]

A very good map overall and i'm fairly perplexed as to how this was done.
It's a very good clone of StarCraft crossed with Sins of the Solar Empire.

 

[kiloneie]

Hi, I'm the original creator of a popular map in Warcraft III known as Azeroth Wars Legacy Reborn (which still has an active forum here with more than 45,000 posts: http://diplomunion.com/forumdisplay.php?92-Azeroth-Wars-Legacy-Reborn).

Azeroth Wars strategy map in which you play as one of the nations at the start of the Third War. A kind of 'make your own history' map. I'm currently looking to create a similar map, except with interplanetary action in the Koprulu Sector for Starcraft II.

The design of this map is highly impressive and I would love to be able to look at it for some inspiration. There is absolutely no reason for me to try to steal this. So if you find yourself feeling kind, please send a copy of the map to me.

PM me if any of you are willing.

Thanks

Only space jockeys may touch the map no beastly ones.

 

[kiloneie]

My Review:
(+) Space view
(+) Planet's atmosphere and ground surface
(+) Nice races with good technology researches
(+/-) The terrain is good, you should improve it a little bit
(+/-) You should decrease the number of space pirates
(-) The research it required is not on the research building

More PROS than CONS, keep up the good work Callex!

Ain't Callex retired Mr. bramble**** ?

 

[Carter_117]

Galactic cannon is overpowered

Galactic Cannon isn't over-powered... Considering for its cost you should have been able to amass a fleet to be able to stop the person fireing it in the first place, even then you can just shoot down the missile with your ships or turrets before it hits your base or fleet

Anyway on the late game argument, Most serious games between players who know what their doing end in the Mid-Game or Early-Game, if they continue its usually because one player might be toying with the other or something... But most games indeed are decided before most late-game techs come into play. Abit like Civilization IV

 

[clockwork2]

final technologies cool, but there's a problem with toxin tech, when researched you can still build nukes (however when sent another is also toward your own planet!!!!).
also what model did you use for specialist???

 

[x1luca1x]

nice game waiting for a new version.

 

[sniper23]

this project is alive?

 

[clockwork2]

i dunno, last i checked it was being converted to SC2.

 

[RadiaNSh0t]

Update it!

Im so waiting for the next update! Is it possible to make Fusion, Dark energy and the other engines avaliable instead of Fission immediately, instead of having to upgrade it slowly...
Still, great map! Would be great if there was less lag..

 

[UndeadImmortal]

Is there a new planet?

 

[clockwork2]

i think that if a player invests only on orbital forces, their fleet can repel any assault. and conquer any planet...

 

[Drylobster]

Traveling

Very noob question. But I can't seem to travel to other player's planets. All I can get to are the space view of my planet and the asteroids around it, but no other planets. What do I do? XD

 

[Belluzz0]

This is an epic map,but i have never finished it.After 2 hours of gameplay i get bored

 

[kiloneie]

I rarely get bored...

 

[kiloneie]

But i quit wc 3 for the first time after 10 years of non stop playing, all because of the last invasion of bots, THANK YOU CODELAIN RETARDS !!!

 

[TKF]

0.97b Changelog

0.97
Added 1 new civilian building: Crystal Industries
Increased the costs of Battle Station from 2500 to 3500
You can now build unlimited amounts of battlestations
Planetary Defense Lasers are now more vulnerable from bombardments
Removed basic laser weapon module
Added Defence Field module which reduces PDL damage and magic damage
Asteroid Mining tech no longer requires Laser Cutting Tools tech
Goliath Cruiser can now bombard planets
Swapped the tech requirement for Osa corvette and Petya light frigate
Decreased the costs and increased the attack cooldown of Osa
Increased the costs of Petya and given it a long range ability
Reduced the research time and costs of several techs
Changed the armageddons missile barrage ability to homing swarms
Weakened the Artificial Gravity well greatly from 20000 to 2500
Reduced the damage caused by space rift ability
Novarion should now explode on death
Slightly improved the mining script
Fixed a bug that caused Planetary Laser to fire while constructing
Fixed a leaver bug that added (lost) tag 2 times on multiboard
Fixed a victory bug related when a player got defeated

0.97b
Fixed a bug that could give you 3 more food in space mode
Fixed a requirement bug with the refinery vessel
No longer trigger attack message when asteroid miners is attacked
Large Scale construction can now be researched on ground tech
Increased the spawned asteroid mineral amount from 200 to 400

Solar Conquest 0.97b


Since Callex is not available and hes the only one who can upload the map, I decided to upload 0.97 version on epicwar and mmh. Callex may update if he EVER login that is...

The changes should make it possible to siege planets with immense amounts of Planetary Defense Lasers since they are a priority target for orbital bombardments from 0.97 version. I made an exception for PML since its manually fired and should prevent a crippling overwhelming siege force. After testing it I eliminated a couple of bugs and released 0.97b version.

Its been a while since I used the editor and everything is a mess. Not up for a major rehaul of the scripting, although its less demanding than CC.


No promises for further updates.

 

[foreverblu]

AWESOME MAP!! My fav...just wish that it would continue updating

 

[clockwork2]

TKF, is the bug where nukes are still buildable even without nuclear technology still there?
To clarify:
Player researches bio-weapons, the build nuke button becomes available on orbital stations(I forgot the name).
Player uses these 'nukes'. Nukes mysteriously nuke home planat aswell.

 

[Belluzz0]

I have found a problem with the warp technology.
When i made the portal, and send all my units to travel by the portal, i have lose the game because the portal have sent they to inside a river....

One more thing: You should made a limit for the construction of towers, inside and outside a planet, because it's impossible to enter in a planet with hundreds of towers (my brother made it when we played together).

Sorry for the bad english..

 

[foreverblu]

plz re-update

 

[TKF]

plz re-update

Done. This correspons with the mmh version. I sent Callex the map about a year ago, but now I I'm granted the privilege to upload it. I have no oversight of current bug status, except a very few posts. I may update it to 0.97c depending on bugreports. Don't ask me if there are bugs, you know it better than me which I don't have time to check out multiplayer bugs.

I just restored my PC and spent the entire weekend, so I may get starting up next weekend maybe, but It's December now so I'm not sure how much time I got for CC optimization.


Also improved the description to contain credits.

 

[foreverblu]

Done. This correspons with the mmh version. I sent Callex the map about a year ago, but now I I'm granted the privilege to upload it. I have no oversight of current bug status, except a very few posts. I may update it to 0.97c depending on bugreports. Don't ask me if there are bugs, you know it better than me which I don't have time to check out multiplayer bugs.

I just restored my PC and spent the entire weekend, so I may get starting up next weekend maybe, but It's December now so I'm not sure how much time I got for CC optimization.


Also improved the description to contain credits.

Some new features maybe? AI? Ill look for bugs.

 

[_lycan]

the nukes and zergs sometimes bug and there's no way to kill someone who has made a fortress in his planet and you can't send it troops.
could you fix it so zergs are more durable and nukes have more range?


because the game is awesome until someone wins in space and he starts attacking a planet

 

[kiloneie]

OK lets' start off:

Biological Warfare final tech: today i used like 80 shots on a dude and it did as much as few marines, absolutely waste of money.

Later ingame taught a guy still left ingame about SC, and shown him bio war tech, and i shot like 15 of them both on my planet and his and nothing absolutely nothing happened, eggs appared nothing hatched, not even with units around.

Thus biological is useless in many games cause it bugs out does nothing, while sometimes bio monster appears and stampedes everyone.

Galactic cannon final tech: Best planet anihhialator ever, i just love it, but third shot destroys planet, but not the dude on it, thus he can get out of there still, but noone inside.

Nuke final tech: Only usable from planet launchers or by Armaggedon flagship, otherwise the specialist deployment is silly and incredibly inconvinient, thus useless.

And nuke hits randomly resulting in need of like 100 to actually kill a player.
SHOULD hit a target everytime.

About PRECISE BOMBARDMENT of motherships and mobile stations:
They hit oh right... but many times stuff that isn't there anymore.

ION generation final tech: Incredibly expensive and amazingly good, but deployment of cannon on enemy planets very incovinient, and they can be shot off easly.

I reccomend making the like orbital strike platforms that you can move around yourself, with a weapon module slot, and few extra special modules jsut for them to upggrade their resistance to damage or move speed, for actually being able to fire on planet that has like 30 laser cannons down there.

If this done, this tech will be incredibly good for space and planet warfare, and remain balanced in way of damn expensive.

Warp tech: Annoying as allways, should take longer to connect to another planet, thus atleast giving the dude a chance for survival, or it's insta GG.

more info... later...

EDIT:
Darklycan51:

I fought a warp dude who i invaded and was about to bio him, but didn't have bombardment researched yet, then he opened a portal to my planet Vescer and i fought him one hour, bioing his planet which did 0.1 % of any bloody damage/effect whatsoever USELESS, while he fought me on my planet with non stop goliath spam and shit, then he DCed...

Bio is useless.


In a battle betwen Atlas capital ship and Phoenix capital ship:
Phoenix wins with 1800 hp ---> 1/4 of full hp.

Thus in conclusion Atlas isn't useless in battles, it can actually in big numbers defeat many other armies, but they will suck in hit and run.

 

[TKF]

Thanks for you input, but my vacation is over :/ I barely have time to make updates. Missile War and Cruiser Command takes priority and I currently don't have time for their updates. I can agree that mutagenic is only effective against organic beings and in the beginning, so I will deal with it in time. Not sure it will be kept in release version. Making orbital strike platforms which can bombard planets sound like an interesting idea.

It might take long time before I maybe attend to this.

Plan list

• Week 1-2: Fix CC 0.90f bugs
• Week 2-3: Fix Missile War 0.63 bugs and release "final" ver for now
  
  Ambitious plan for SC (Any later bugs in CC might delay this)
• Week 3-4: Make a plan for revision upgrades on Solar Conquest, Making ship classes even more significantly in difference, changing price costs
• Week 4-5: Adapt bobs unique vertex based projectile system into Solar Conquest map, changing shield system maybe
• Week 5-8: Recreate the space combat system to use vector based projectile system, remake balance system
• Week 7-12: Test the projectile systems and along with bombardment system and create systems which makes it worth release version (out of beta stage). But this will be tested while its beta.

I'm planning to change entire combat system of the map, which requires days in the editor, when I got only 5-9 hours freetime a week it might take weeks. I'm not sure I won't pull through with this plan so no promises.

 

[kiloneie]

May i help with the suggestions, balances, and similar things to improve the map ?

I have spent like 10 hours on single player on this map just a few days ago, tested big ton of stuff, but some can't be tested since i cannot test some abilities that can't be cast on ally units, and about the bombardments... i got no idea which one does good dmg at all.

Bombarding planets is really annoying, and in my preference i have found that Nightmare SBC is the easiest for the job, since it continiously bombards for 21 seconds, but i have yet to see how much it actually does.

My suggestion is to make all of bombardments like this one, continous, no need for non stop shooting(Sometimes mobile BS does that, but i will say not allways) , but after you click bombard on planet it will repeat until canceled, for example.


My biggest issue with the map is that most people barely find it fun from the start, some only find space fun, some only ground, and myself get frustrated by the difficulty of getting some techs cause there is no organised way to do it, and some mechanics are just bad, and i would love to help on these stuff.

I have been ultra wanting to make the 2D game i have told you about, but games are too distracting , and a map is perfect thing that i can work on, if can be let on, i have made one map some time ago, but never updated since cause bots arrived, and i don't really know how to set up one, and anyways my connection is very lag spikey.

I should look at the source i got from you long ago to figure out stuff easierly... gota find it though <.<.


Oh and yes as your week plan says, shields in my opinion work very bad, since planetary cannon do high dmg and in big numbers = big dmg and splash... shields don't work fast enough - they not responsive enough etc...

If possible it would be great seeing shields be divided into front, back, left, right ones.

It would be great seeing some of the galactic conquest mode features from Star wars empire at war.

THE MOST ANNOYING thing in SC is though the part where only dark tech has bombers ! Motherships should be able to make bombers, and thus all other techs need a bomber.
It's really a pain attacking planet that is ultra shielded with shields, or by dude spamming siege mechs, via invading with warp or simply using them as defence... fighters are useless on this matter.

 

[kiloneie]

Ok to make it nicer:

Real problems of SC are Final Tech big big inbalanced and ground unit imbalances such as... only answer for wining in ground warfare is siege mechs and artilery tanks, while it should be:

Siege mech < rocket marine
rocket marine < recon vehicle
etc...

And best final tech is shields tech and right after warp and trade federation... everything else is bullshit.

Shield tech allows for some very good defencive play, or the most powerful middle early domination in sense of Vazilion as first ship and followed by Nightmares and phantasms.

 

[TKF]

Sorry to put this on hold, but I doubt I will work on this in the near future as I'm dealing with difficult bugs and AI bugs in Cruiser Command. I'm at week 2 sort of on my plan, but its february almost. AI bugs was much bigger issue than I imagined, also with few hours a week I don't get much done. That might take 1 or 2 weeks I'm afraid and delays my other plans.


So I don't know if I'm motivated to make a huge change to this map. Maybe a small update, but I don't have overview atm. Adapting a new projectile system proved much more difficult than I imagined.

 

[szczurpb]

Bug from yesterday:
me as red, firend, my ally as blue.
I have taked Peace thread to purple, and between this and his acceptation, somethink goes wrong and:
me (red) cannot select anything
friend (blue) have turned off for motherships drones, and, he cant select my units...


P.S.
Ion's are over powered for galactic fights.

 

[SpiritBob]

Could someone PM answer me or reply to this post and explain me how to build Spore Destroyer? (After you unlock the bio final tech,what do you do? I have played single player and I haven't seen a ship with name Spore destroyer even after upgrading all the different reactors)

 

[kiloneie]

Bug from yesterday:
me as red, firend, my ally as blue.
I have taked Peace thread to purple, and between this and his acceptation, somethink goes wrong and:
me (red) cannot select anything
friend (blue) have turned off for motherships drones, and, he cant select my units...


P.S.
Ion's are over powered for galactic fights.

Ion's are not over powered, think about the tech it requires to get it in the first place, then think how easly they can be detected and thus avoided, and think how useless they are when you make one, when enemy cause of going fission is dominating the space.

Do research on stuff you say, or don't say it please.

(I am not playing Solar Conquest for some time, but i am waiting for a great development jump to happen, and am willing to help, cause i know how, and i researched hell a lot of techs, and builds)

 

[XHawk87]

I tried to play a game of this with my friend, v0.97b, and we couldn't research any of the later technologies.

We only ever had the 1 type of unit to attack with, the marines. We were able to research rocket upgrades but couldn't build rocket marines. We got to a point where we had every building that was not greyed out, researched every technology that was not greyed out in every building, and couldn't get any further. Loads of locked buildings and technologies that were impossible to access.

The whole thing with moving out into space is a nice idea, but since we didn't get to experience that it was kind of a bust.

P.S. I found the problem. The Technology building needs to be constructed 3 times in order to research in all 3 technology paths. Not something that's very obvious to a new player.

 

[Morandir]

wow....How you did this space masterpiece?
One minor remark - maybe some changing models (ex. - color) for researching centers. One model for all of them - it's complication for vision