Solar Conquest v0.97e

[kiloneie]

You really asking how he did it ? It's not that hard, it's just lots of it.

Also a fix for my previous statements: Ion is the most powerfull one followed by warp, and far from that shields, and Trade federation, everything else is gibberish not worth obtaining, unless you are losing on ground so you get ground final tech, everything else like GC cannon, mobile BS and chemical and nuke final are just completely UNDERPOWERED to first ones, and/or your already winner of space when you get some of them, or your dead because you wanted to use them.

Also Plazma technology is by far the most powerfull one in the whole game, combined with Ion Generation final it's unstopabble, second being Motherships + fission battle cruisers with warp final tech, and third being Phase.

This map is highly terribly made if viewed from it's balance of all 4 technologies.
Trully each advancer one beats the less advanced one, and they are chained in circle of power kind of i am stronger of you, you of me etc as Fission beats Phase.

Biggest reason for inbalance then comes that, the only tech that has bombers to attack planets from space besides bombing it, is dark energy/plazma, which also has the best command ship, with aura of damage, which can help beating it's supperior tech that counters it, phase. Though phase can stomp those Phantasm bombers because of low dmg/high atk speed, they are a mothership more expensive to get, and they don't have a good command ship, nor they have any final techs.

Also the ground to space and vice versa needs tweaking in interface, control, transition.

You should do changes here in the gameplay before those of new projectile system really.

Also i want to ask if modules for ships actually do damage based on their type... do they ?

 

[Hause.M.D.]

Hi! Sorry for my english, i from Ukraine. I wery happy when i play this map! A have a question, how remov "sabotage"(spider dron) from unit? In "sabotage" write what "Combat engineer" can remove it, but engineer have 3 skills, creat gun, mine, and fix, how remove sabotage spider? I dont know how write massege to autors of map, but i can write this question here, help me please!

 

[UberPWN]

I am looking for pro players who would like to make guide for nubz, mb some youtube videos?
I would like it to be real guide, not just few sentences, with icons and stuff, tech trees, general and detailed strategy guides, general tips, pros and cons of every planet, engines/weapons types, etc. etc.
Probably will be made in google docs, and shared contributors.


Alot of ppl seems to like this map, but they are lost in tech trees, they are looking for in example for automated constructions, but where it is they ask.

After guide will be finished, or at least in good share, it could be tined, like:
www.tiny.cc/BFME

 

[cleavinghammer]

This map is awesome overall, though some more differences between units (icon and model-wise) would be nice.

I know AI isn't coming soon, if at all, but if you update again, would it be possible to have pirates respawn and/or attack planets?

 

[joejoe1617]

love this map so much keep up the good work

 

[Daratrix]

This map definitely needs AI support! Not a HEAVY system that control each kind of units individualy, but something wich can builds ground/star base and defense, and try to form attack groups could be awesome for solo training or replace players if they're not enought for a great game. I can help you on that if you want just MP Have a nice time.

 

[msomg123]

I need AI so i can play with them

 

[Speaker15071]

No analogues of this map in SC2...

 

[plakkoek]

good map not that much variation in unit models but i changed that for my own use so i have nothing say less that best map i've seen for now for space and such

 

[Rex.]

Cool!

 

[TKF]

I was finally able to reopen the map again after dozens of attempts after recovering the file from the broken HD and with help of WEU (special map protecting). I will release a bugfix in a week. Unfortuately I have only 1-2 week before I start at fulltime summer work so its limited what I can do for now

Balancing will as follow

• Change the income cycle to allow a bit faster developement, maybe to 12 sec from 15
• Make a system that adjust crystal value using trade ports
• Limit the number of asteroid miners for each player for game performance issues and overmining crystals
• Nerf the damage from space nukes, its extremely high atm
• Bugfixes

I had a long list i wrote for future bugfixes, unfortunately it has been lost so I kinda start from scratch. Let me know if where is any bugs you have found because I no longer remember stuff from this map.

 

[kiloneie]

That all sounds nice, but there are still major inbalances between final techs. For example, GC is absolutely worthless compared to Ion Generation.

 

[TKF]

I'm considering the option of handing this over to someone else, but I try to do some bugfixes since I'm im familiar with the maps triggers.

That all sounds nice, but there are still major inbalances between final techs. For example, GC is absolutely worthless compared to Ion Generation.

I'm not sure I have time to do massive balancing with the techs for this bugfix release. I can do some. I will try to focus on bugfixes but I lost my notes I know there is a lot of critical gameplay bugs, some them causes fatal error but I don't remember them.


What is done so far briefly:

• Added a hero flagship for phase
• Nerf of Tactical Space Missile and Space Nuke
• Reduction of costs on some techs
• A player can only have a limited amount of space crystal miners
• Fixed bugs regarding the mutagenic weapon for the upcoming version.
• Adjustable crystal prices on trade ports, selling cystals make then worth less, but market will push up the price over time

THE MOST ANNOYING thing in SC is though the part where only dark tech has bombers ! Motherships should be able to make bombers, and thus all other techs need a bomber..

When you mentioned bomber in one of your older posts, did you mean phantasm or dread cruiser?

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[kiloneie]

I'm considering the option of handing this over to someone else, but I try to do some bugfixes since I'm im familiar with the maps triggers.



I'm not sure I have time to do massive balancing with the techs for this bugfix release. I can do some. I will try to focus on bugfixes but I lost my notes I know there is a lot of critical gameplay bugs, some them causes fatal error but I don't remember them.


What is done so far briefly:

• Added a hero flagship for phase
• Nerf of Tactical Space Missile and Space Nuke
• Reduction of costs on some techs
• A player can only have a limited amount of space crystal miners
• Fixed bugs regarding the mutagenic weapon for the upcoming version.
• Adjustable crystal prices on trade ports, selling cystals make then worth less, but market will push up the price over time

When you mentioned bomber in one of your older posts, did you mean phantasm or dread cruiser?

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I made a semi accurate Tech Trees mind map in xmind... but god was it awful to make. The poping techs out of the game's ass onto the tech centre made it really hard to write down.

I wanted to use it on my game, but it's proving to be not so useful.

Great to get a phase hero finally <.<. Btw the dark energy hero with shield tech is pretty much the best hero in the game. You just cannot snipe it or anything, it's next to unkillable. (I want Jarvis to do data mining for me D:...)

 

[TKF]

Spoiler

Well, I haven't set this as a final tier yet....

UPDATE!! 0.97c by TKF Added Phase unit type hero Redesigned drill beam based bombardment with a beam strike planet Redesigned Nightmare Plasma Beam planet bombardment with a continous beam Orbital strike platform can now bombard with nukes, but very inaccurate Precicion Bombardment will now always hit an enemy target on planet Added a new bombardment tech with 33% increased hit chance Added a new economics tech with 1 food bonus Opening a portal do now take 30 seconds longer Petya (fission 4 ship) is now short range bomber with bonus vs high hp targets Firefly (fusion 4 ship) Get a big damage bonus when entering a planet Increased the starting credits a bit Increased the cost of preparing ion storm ability Mutagenic warhead does now spawn a mutagen hatchery with 5 minutes lifetime Limited the numbers of asteroid miners pr player to 6 now to prevent heavy lagg Selling/Buying crystals will now change its market prices, also globally Lowered the range of launched space missiles by 25% Greatly nerfed the space nuke and doom star explosion by 60% Nerfed the tactical missile damage by 55% Reduction of costs on some techs Lots of balance tweaks Reduced the interests bonus cap from Credit Saving Economics tech to 250 Also decreased the costs of Planetary tactical missiles Fixed some bugs regarding mutagenic spawning hanging up

Unfortunately I wasn't able to discover the other bugs. I have a few days left, no promises for new updates yet.

It has been so long time ago I played this that I forgot the balancing and costs ratio and crystal income. I may perhaps tweak down crystal income a bit more since its a problem you get way to much of them at 0.97b, and probably in this version too

But here some new features. Dark Battlecruiser do now have the intended bombardment ability which look same to its ability, also if you stop using the ability, the beam stops. You can't control the beam though, but it will automatically track to closest visible target unlike normal bombardments which is a dice game. I may perhaps need to tweak it down at a later version release.

 

[Peaces]

Will be there AI? Even a tiny AI?(pirate creep respawns/random creep troop respawns)

 

[kiloneie]

Spoiler

Well, I haven't set this as a final tier yet....

UPDATE!! 0.97c by TKF Added Phase unit type hero Redesigned drill beam based bombardment with a beam strike planet Redesigned Nightmare Plasma Beam planet bombardment with a continous beam Orbital strike platform can now bombard with nukes, but very inaccurate Precicion Bombardment will now always hit an enemy target on planet Added a new bombardment tech with 33% increased hit chance Added a new economics tech with 1 food bonus Opening a portal do now take 30 seconds longer Petya (fission 4 ship) is now short range bomber with bonus vs high hp targets Firefly (fusion 4 ship) Get a big damage bonus when entering a planet Increased the starting credits a bit Increased the cost of preparing ion storm ability Mutagenic warhead does now spawn a mutagen hatchery with 5 minutes lifetime Limited the numbers of asteroid miners pr player to 6 now to prevent heavy lagg Selling/Buying crystals will now change its market prices, also globally Lowered the range of launched space missiles by 25% Greatly nerfed the space nuke and doom star explosion by 60% Nerfed the tactical missile damage by 55% Reduction of costs on some techs Lots of balance tweaks Reduced the interests bonus cap from Credit Saving Economics tech to 250 Also decreased the costs of Planetary tactical missiles Fixed some bugs regarding mutagenic spawning hanging up

Unfortunately I wasn't able to discover the other bugs. I have a few days left, no promises for new updates yet.

It has been so long time ago I played this that I forgot the balancing and costs ratio and crystal income. I may perhaps tweak down crystal income a bit more since its a problem you get way to much of them at 0.97b, and probably in this version too

But here some new features. Dark Battlecruiser do now have the intended bombardment ability which look same to its ability, also if you stop using the ability, the beam stops. You can't control the beam though, but it will automatically track to closest visible target unlike normal bombardments which is a dice game. I may perhaps need to tweak it down at a later version release.

GC killing a planet bug fixed yet ? I don't recall ever seeing it fixed.

 

[TKF]

Will be there AI? Even a tiny AI?(pirate creep respawns/random creep troop respawns)

The AI is too complex for the AI to distuinguish between space interface and planet interface. Making an AI must be much trigger control and is very complex to make. I don't have sufficient free time because I spent tremendous amount of time just creating AI support on Cruiser Command, and that is just only 1 unit. Making a good AI would be to difficult, it would be a rather very poor AI.

Just making creep respawns I wouldn't call an AI. But I may do that perhaps but no promises... I know there is many who wants to play against an AI, but making one takes a lot of time. And I don't have that time in a few days unfortunately.

GC killing a planet bug fixed yet ? I don't recall ever seeing it fixed.

GC is intentional made for killing a planet in 3 shots. I put a periodic debugger in the 0.97c version that checks if anythings do exists on the vanished planet after it is gone and all units are supposedly dead (A deviation might occur sometimes) and removes anything that might be there including the food circles. A players is defeated once 2 minutes has elapsed without having any civilian structures. I forgot to add "Fixed a GC bug that didn't take all units on a planet" line into changelog.

But if that is not the bug you was thinking on, then you could explain otherwise in more detail.


And I appreciate you list up the bugs you find, because I hardly recall them and reading through the last pages doesn't provide me with much rather than balance issues which I may do overhaul in the future. I'm quite sure there is many bugs.

 

[kiloneie]

The AI is too complex for the AI to distuinguish between space interface and planet interface. Making an AI must be much trigger control and is very complex to make. I don't have sufficient free time because I spent tremendous amount of time just creating AI support on Cruiser Command, and that is just only 1 unit. Making a good AI would be to difficult, it would be a rather very poor AI.

Just making creep respawns I wouldn't call an AI. But I may do that perhaps but no promises... I know there is many who wants to play against an AI, but making one takes a lot of time. And I don't have that time in a few days unfortunately.

GC is intentional made for killing a planet in 3 shots. I put a periodic debugger in the 0.97c version that checks if anythings do exists on the vanished planet after it is gone and all units are supposedly dead (A deviation might occur sometimes) and removes anything that might be there including the food circles. A players is defeated once 2 minutes has elapsed without having any civilian structures. I forgot to add "Fixed a GC bug that didn't take all units on a planet" line into changelog.

But if that is not the bug you was thinking on, then you could explain otherwise in more detail.


And I appreciate you list up the bugs you find, because I hardly recall them and reading through the last pages doesn't provide me with much rather than balance issues which I may do overhaul in the future. I'm quite sure there is many bugs.

GC covers random huge area of the planet in death terrain, and three shots explode the planet, but not the ground map, so if shots don't cover all of the planet, the player on that planet becomes unkillable unless you have an ally with warp tech. Thats the bug i was talking about, i dunno if it's fixed, too lazy to check right now as i haven't been in warcraft 3 in over a month, tried playing Supreme Commander and other stuff to get ideas for good techs.

 

[TKF]

GC covers random huge area of the planet in death terrain, and three shots explode the planet, but not the ground map, so if shots don't cover all of the planet, the player on that planet becomes unkillable unless you have an ally with warp tech. Thats the bug i was talking about, i dunno if it's fixed, too lazy to check right now as i haven't been in warcraft 3 in over a month, tried playing Supreme Commander and other stuff to get ideas for good techs.

That kind of more detail is interesting for me. I wasn't aware of the possibility the warp tech opening portal to a dead planet. Although I should, this is something I have overlooked. I will attend to this as first priority.

The active debugger in current version will for now prevent that from being effective but the portal triggers isn't designed for that and could result of a game ending in fatal error.

 

[cleavinghammer]

AI: Personally I'd be happy with respawning creeps, the fact that you're still updating this map is good enough. If you could allow capital ships to get full level on creeps alone (pirates and mutants) that'd be great.

 

[JenkovAA]

Is it just me or this game so epic.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

oh my god ITS BACK!!!

 

[TKF]

I'm starting work in 2 days, future version if any will not come fast, this may be the last one for now.

AI: Personally I'd be happy with respawning creeps, the fact that you're still updating this map is good enough. If you could allow capital ships to get full level on creeps alone (pirates and mutants) that'd be great.

I decided to add a small reproduction feature for now. (Maps updates instantly uploads to makemmehost.com with no wait for an admin to approve it.)

0.97d by TKF - 30 May 2015 New Game UI (by unwirclich at wc3c.net) Enabled Player 12 slot for selfproduction AI for neutral hostile Increased the credits income by 25% for every income cycle Ion Cannon also create a beam which can be ordered by the satelite Some nerf of crystal income Blue crystal mining slowed down Asteroid crystal mining slowed down Crystal Industries (civilian) now changed to auto trading/selling crystals Crystal Industries do now sell/buy crystals every cycle, affecting market less Doubled the amount of resources you can sell at trade ports pr click Selling crystals 1 time will temporary reduce market price by 10% for 10 sec Selling crystals every 3 times will reduce market price by 10% over long time You will now be defeated in 1 minute after losing all civilian buildings When a player is leaving, his real name will be visible under allies (F11) Slightly increased damage of tactical missiles Fixed a fatal bug that allowed you to open portal to dead planets Fixed minor bugs

I'm not sure if there is any consequences by adding player 12 into the game, it was necesary to make it able to use its factories and such.

Make a significant change here, increased the credits you get from civilian houses by 25%. That will make games short and development faster.

Also fixed portal bug for now, its untested but hopefully it shouldn't be possible now.

Added Startcraft 1 UI, it feel less wc3 now, but wc3 music is still there for now.

 

[gogupantofu]

Best !! :d

 

[cleavinghammer]

Awesome, thanks.

Icons for unavailable abilities show a different picture (Elf for space builder, some tech thing for Go to Orbit).
Space Builder tip is redundant now that the builder automatically goes into space.
Large Scale Construction is in both ground and space research buildings.
Mining bug: Some advanced miners tried to return their cargo to a refinery vessel.
Multiple Reaver flagships can be built.

 

[Peaces]

I have a new idea about the mutants. Instead of joining to your side they should just become a hostile to everyone (I'm talking about the final tier called Chemical/Biological warfare). By the way, thank you for the update and now I can now play this map without the use of my other device any more.

 

[TKF]

Awesome, thanks.

Icons for unavailable abilities show a different picture (Elf for space builder, some tech thing for Go to Orbit).
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Large Scale Construction is in both ground and space research buildings.
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Some icons missing DISBTN.

Large Scale Construction is in both ground and space research is intentional, since you can do that on ground or space.

Space Builder tip is redundant now that the builder automatically goes into space.
Mining bug: Some advanced miners tried to return their cargo to a refinery vessel.
Multiple Reaver flagships can be built.

I can fix the space flight and reaver bug, but I don't understand the advanced miners tries to return to a refinery vessel. Does that happen even if a command center is close by? By default they should go to the closest which is command center unless you don't build a command center near a crystal.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Now I think about it, it's possible the command center hadn't finished building yet, so they tried to go for the refinery instead of the command center on the other side of the planet.

Speaking of which, command center placement needs to be bigger (or the model smaller), as you can't see the minimum distance to deposits.

What's the limit of crystal regenerators? I had one next to a brand-new deposit but it still ran out after a while.

Consider adding a game clock or an income timer.

 

[TKF]

What's the limit of crystal regenerators? I had one next to a brand-new deposit but it still ran out after a while.

Consider adding a game clock or an income timer.

Crystal regenerators only add a small amount, if you overmine with advanced miners it will disappear.

That's a good idea adding a timer.

0.97e by TKF Added game timer and income timer on multiboard Increased the damage done by orbital bomardments to ground shields Fixed a bug that allowed you to have multiple reaver flagships Fixed a small bug where your first space worker flew to space Fixed a bug that made ground bombardment shields not able to block ion blast Fixed a bug that allowed continous beam to ignore ground bombardment shields Fixed some smaller bugs

I added a game timer and income timer, not tested with more players so hopefully it doesn't mess up multiboard.

The multi reaver bug was too severe for me to not fix it since you could amass them in large numbers, so I made another bugfix tonight.

Large Screenshot of UI and Gametimer and Income Timer

 

[cleavinghammer]

So how do mutagens work now? I noticed that the zerglings only seem to morph into hydralisks and seem to stop spawning after a while, even with 12 spores launched.

 

[TKF]

So how do mutagens work now? I noticed that the zerglings only seem to morph into hydralisks and seem to stop spawning after a while, even with 12 spores launched.

Is there any bug with mutagens you found? They should morph into a 3rd stage as well.

I put a 5 mins lifetime duration on hatchery, which is when it run out of mana, + the lifetime of last spawned. Not sure that is counted as a nerf, since it spawns steadily during that time even if you got all mutagens and not hatcheries. This makes it possible to inhabit a planet after mutagen infestation a while which was the intention of this change done in 0.97c.

Since I made mutagens a designated player, they have an unfortunate tendency to retreat sometimes, I will perhaps undo that in future versions since some AI stuff doesn't work when using a unused player slot.

 

[cleavinghammer]

What I did was put a few troops in a defensive position then throw a dozen spores at the planet. Mostly they formed zerglings and attacked the computer players and the neutral humans (who'd become Neutral Hostile rather than Hostile Forces, I assume that was the intent). Then they more or less tried to attack my units, but due to the numbers they often stopped moving (that's a game bug though). Only towards the end did I see them starting to form hydralisks, and after a while they stopped respawning at all. I recall in the older versions they formed a magnataur (if they still do, I suggest making it a sludge monster, it looks more alien).

Oh, just an idea, but maybe give the Armageddon flagship a mutagen bombardment if you choose biological warfare as Final Tier.

 

[clockwork2]

Say has the odd bug been fixed where Orbital stations after getting mutagen capability are capable of launching nukes that immediately just self destruct on planets?
EDIT: I agree with cleavinghammer, sludge monster or faceless ones. MUCH more alien or mutant-like.

 

[rafa316]

I love this map, are there any map templates that have multiple planets like this? I want to make a more fantasy oriented map with multiple planets. Or any way to get my hands on a very basic version of this map with just the planet system in place?

 

[Analexius]

Hi there, nice job on the map!
I unfortunately get a save corrupted error when i try to load a saved game, tried to update to 1.21b, to 1.28, same issue... any tip on how to make it work?

Axs

 

[STEELRAIN777]

PLEASE HELP!

Since the new update of April 2018 the mineral mines have bugged and been removed! Rendering game useless and obsolete! someone please bring this game back or help me fix it.

 

[STEELRAIN777]

I'll work some things out for you callex, expect it tonight or tomorrow.

Can you fix Solar Conquest? New 2018 update bugged mineral mines.

 

[fiwe]

Damn, I hope to see a game based on this map on steam one day