Solar Conquest v0.97e

[TKF]

Ok, based on your feedback, I'm releasing a minor bugfix version soon.

Added a new Mobile Battle Station: Novarion (Interphase tech)
Sage, Nemesis and Starfury should no longer be able to land on planets
Mobile Battle Stations does now require final tier tech
Battlestation will now only start with 1 weapon and 1 repair module
Buffed the Nightmares plasma beam damage output a bit
Ground to Space laser does now do full damage to all ship types
Fixed some minor spelling mistakes

Added 3rd mobile battle station, but that also requires advanced phase engine research.

Since I'm unable to open 1.24 version replays, I cannot view it. I run the latest bnet standard version.

 

[Dragonsz]

One other thing you should think about is anti-air weapons on the ground, because if you land something like 12 fighters on a planet and the guy has the anti air thing on his command centres and and a fiew anti air vehicles then its kinda hard to cause any real damage to his economy, also all those major anti air weapons are all rocket so that sucks for interphase ships, but fusion ships taking less damage however is a good thing because they do less to titanium.

 

[natnat]

It would be also fun if you add mini-planets to occupy. For example a moon.

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I like to play these with people but the maybe the reason maps like these dont get promoted much coz when the game gets longer means more units and could get laggy for some people with average/slow PCs and connections.

 

[PseudoCode]

I like

O wait I just had another suggestion how about a moblie suits (gundams). They could fight in space and land but to go into space they need a hangar ship or something (dropship but for mechs/gundams).

i like this idea!!! add gundams and mobile suit weeee!

 

[nitko]

Since I'm unable to open 1.24 version replays, I cannot view it. I run the latest bnet standard version.

You can always use version switcher, its really simple, clean and well done tool. I use it as have much buddies on garena who are slow on changing patches and I sometimes play on northrend aswell: http://www.dota-utilities.com/2009/09/warcraft-patch-version-switcher-120-121.html (don't mind link from blog saying '09 year, post is regularly updated with new versions of patch files as blizzard releases them).

I know it may look like much hassle for one replay, but trust me its just few clicks, and you can't possibly screw anything with it...

 

[ttzdrkpl]

Two things:
1. Any chance of an AI appearing for this game?
2. Anyone hosting this on Battle.net?

 

[TKF]

Two things:
1. Any chance of an AI appearing for this game?
2. Anyone hosting this on Battle.net?

1. It's like 10 people asking for AI. It's simply impossible since I once in a time asked a AI programmer to make an AI. He simple gave up the impossible task cuz of the ground to space transition of the map. I will let Callex add it into map description so they don't ask.


2. I'm not sure if anyone does host this map. I saw once a bot hosted it and as I can recall it was a hostbot which said it was hosted by a clan cce. Otherwise I haven't seen anyone hosting it and you should host the maps you want to play, but it's hard to host since the hostbots take up all the host list usually.

I suggest learn how to open your modem ports on your internet modem and open port 6112, use http://portforward.com if you don't know how to do that on your modem.

You can always use version switcher...

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Victory
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Also I'm not interesting messing up my wc3 just to watch a stupid replay. Afaik this should only happen in Good vs Evil mode, where 1v2 or 1v3 situation should automatically enforce the game to end which is intended. If victory happens before all parts has lost in normal modes (ALL other modes), then it's something really wrong. I only need to know how many players it was left in the game, since the victory is using a weird formula to calculate alliances in all directions, where 1 multiplied with itself unlimited times will lead to 1 and thus trigger victory (Callex made this victory formula, I'm not completely into this). A defeated and a leaver player will not be counted and if only 1 player of mutual alliance is left, they should get the number of 1 which cannot increase if multiplied by itself. That's how it basically should work in the triggers.

It would be also fun if you add mini-planets to occupy. For example a moon.

There isn't more terrain to use on the map and adding more planets or mini planets is out of question.

i like this idea!!! add gundams and mobile suit weeee!

No! Research robotics for your robotic mech needs. I will not add more of that kind of stuff into the map.

...also all those major anti air weapons are all rocket so that sucks for interphase ships...

Well, that wasn't really intended. But I might put a solution for this in a fix version. But they are good in space and effective vs dark and partially good vs fusion ships, but since they have quite special abilties and is quite strong, they must be countered somehow so I added rocket as their only weakness and kinda adding paper < rock < scissor logic for space battles.




As for now I have no big plans for update, but if there is bugs, I might release a bugfix version. But I have no bugs noted atm.

It's nice weater outside...

 

[Arcmage]

Plenty of people host I find the game quite frequently. The trick is to ether watch the make me host queue for people hosting the map or just use makemehost to host it yourself. If you don't know mmh is a free bot hosting service.

 

[pomp]

wud be nice if the infantry units like rocket marine, pyro marine etc were of different models

 

[TKF]

Plenty of people host I find the game quite frequently. The trick is to ether watch the make me host queue for people hosting the map or just use makemehost to host it yourself. If you don't know mmh is a free bot hosting service.

Thanks, I did just use suggest map service and see if it works.

As for the models, I keep the import needs to a minimum, and give the troops different colors instead.

 

[pomp]

still a great game anyway

 

[huntere15]

There is this problem i'd like you to address: The medics move faster than the soldiers so when i order a group of soldiers with medics into combat, the medics always get their first and die.

 

[kiloneie]

1. It's like 10 people asking for AI. It's simply impossible since I once in a time asked a AI programmer to make an AI. He simple gave up the impossible task cuz of the ground to space transition of the map. I will let Callex add it into map description so they don't ask.


2. I'm not sure if anyone does host this map. I saw once a bot hosted it and as I can recall it was a hostbot which said it was hosted by a clan cce. Otherwise I haven't seen anyone hosting it and you should host the maps you want to play, but it's hard to host since the hostbots take up all the host list usually.

I suggest learn how to open your modem ports on your internet modem and open port 6112, use http://portforward.com if you don't know how to do that on your modem.





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Victory
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Also I'm not interesting messing up my wc3 just to watch a stupid replay. Afaik this should only happen in Good vs Evil mode, where 1v2 or 1v3 situation should automatically enforce the game to end which is intended. If victory happens before all parts has lost in normal modes (ALL other modes), then it's something really wrong. I only need to know how many players it was left in the game, since the victory is using a weird formula to calculate alliances in all directions, where 1 multiplied with itself unlimited times will lead to 1 and thus trigger victory (Callex made this victory formula, I'm not completely into this). A defeated and a leaver player will not be counted and if only 1 player of mutual alliance is left, they should get the number of 1 which cannot increase if multiplied by itself. That's how it basically should work in the triggers.



There isn't more terrain to use on the map and adding more planets or mini planets is out of question.

No! Research robotics for your robotic mech needs. I will not add more of that kind of stuff into the map.


Well, that wasn't really intended. But I might put a solution for this in a fix version. But they are good in space and effective vs dark and partially good vs fusion ships, but since they have quite special abilties and is quite strong, they must be countered somehow so I added rocket as their only weakness and kinda adding paper < rock < scissor logic for space battles.




As for now I have no big plans for update, but if there is bugs, I might release a bugfix version. But I have no bugs noted atm.

It's nice weater outside...

OMG MAN !!! i played this long long ago old version and it was BAD now yesterday tried it and OMG it's soo cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . Trojan.bot is going to host this all days from Europe and well anyone please come and play it gets full so slow... and omg last game 1 guy was rushing and all but in the end made Novarian battle station he got pwned SO HARD .

Love the map .

And btw Novarian battlestation pwns whole fleets with 4 modules and 2 strong laser turrets and godlike health , armour and main cannon + it's so damn uber bombarder noone can stand against the might of 2 at once !!!

I hate it howit disconected me last time after 30 min and i was wining just beaten guy on my planet and had ibggest tech and economy of em all.

Well i loved the Novarian battle station but all other battle stations SUCK !!! and btw starfury battlecruiser's space rift is too powerful against battle stations... i lost it in few seconds againt like 5 rifts...

Well strongest weapons are motherships all purpose very flexible and very powerful DO NOT WASTE money on battlestations... atleast not if he has god damn starfuries or a lot motherships xD...

Btw why i noone active here ?

 

[Arcmage]

Don't double post. I agree though that starfury's rift ability seems a little Op as it can kill pretty much anything en mass including its counter Fission. However fission itself is still far too powerful at rushing. You can easily buy 10-12 Akula and destroy an opponent's space base (Even if they have orbital missile turrets) thusly slowing them down until they can get interplanetary missile launchers (which takes awhile) and even then you can raid there ports before they are able to build a fleet. I suggest debuffing turrets damage and giving it multishot so that early spam is not so powerful vs defenses.

 

[kiloneie]

Man id love to see a final tier tech that would allow one single mothership to upgrade into flagship-command ship mothership which would have great health a lot of passive turrets on not that low range with high bt slow dmg and would allow a player who does not like to play on planet to play only in space, but the tech and ugrade requirments like a lot diferent engines , weapons maxed and a lot resources would be required and it would have an ability to land on planet where it could shoot in space like planetry cannon and also deploy troops <--- optinal.

Well this is just my suggestion because i don't really like the planet play...

I got called a geek and no lifer because i pwned em with motherships in a 1 hour 45 min game just few min ago... omg seriosly retarded people and he attacked me accusing me stuff... well anyways i seen that motherships construction state has hotkey "U" for both space workers and Anubis fighter and if u press hotkey only workers will be made... please fix that...

And i really hope for that mother ship final tech id be awesome to have a commanding mothetship with unbelivable high health seriosly hard to take down and a lot of passive high range high dmg low atk speed turrets and some good abilities like best bombard ever or some turret attack speed boost or upgrades for it ...
Btw that Anaris battle station needs to deal 10K dmg in straight line because 10K to 1 target is only 2x of Nightmare's ability and Novarian is tiny bit expensier and does 5000 dmg to all targets in range...

Sorry for double posting <.<.

 

[nitko]

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Victory
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Also I'm not interesting messing up my wc3 just to watch a stupid replay. Afaik this should only happen in Good vs Evil mode, where 1v2 or 1v3 situation should automatically enforce the game to end which is intended. If victory happens before all parts has lost in normal modes (ALL other modes), then it's something really wrong. I only need to know how many players it was left in the game, since the victory is using a weird formula to calculate alliances in all directions, where 1 multiplied with itself unlimited times will lead to 1 and thus trigger victory (Callex made this victory formula, I'm not completely into this). A defeated and a leaver player will not be counted and if only 1 player of mutual alliance is left, they should get the number of 1 which cannot increase if multiplied by itself. That's how it basically should work in the triggers.

Oh well... I run through the replay 2 times quickly, made some screenshots and log events as they happened. Maybe situation can be re-created and traced... It really is serious thing if this isn't isolated case, I played map around 30 times and that happened, well, once.

Game started fullhouse, normal mode, normal tech: http://i.imgur.com/6OZaK.jpg
I'm on red slot, leaver which triggered endgame is purple- mario6000 on planet with grey - ledu97

Now, list of events from my point of view:

@00:1:58 i ally with ledu97 (grey)
@00:12:38 mario6000 (purple) has offered a surrender (he is confused, i guess)
@00:18:58 wildbeel has offered a non-agression treaty (i ignore it)
@00:21:41 i ally with MACANA (orange guy with whom i share planet)
@00:33:15 i enter in trade alliance with ledu97

And list of events from bugged leaver's point of view, mario6000:

@00:17:12 sends some Offer (idk what, noone accepts, didnt watch replay from everyones perspective -_-)
@00:17:22 gets msg to enter new nick, he doesn't enter until min 31 when he writes "gg" and that becomes his nick

Then he basically gets defeated by grey (ledu97) on his planet (but i think defeat for him was never triggered) and he leaves game. And game triggers worldwide game over event as far as i can tell:

http://i.imgur.com/UqfZk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wUjwM.jpg

Hope this helps...

 

[Arcmage]

Two things

In the latest version the death triggers for red seem to be messed up. When red loses all his civilian buildings he "loses" instantly without having to wait two minuets. However he does not lose all his units when he "loses" so if he still has an SCV he can rebuild.

I tried nuke rushing and found it to be incredibly easy. Not only are nukes devastating cheap tech wise they are almost impossible to intercept with Missie weapons because they have impact type armor. The only efficent way to stop them (with laser tech which takes alot longer to get) is to stop specialists from landing which is very difficult (considering transports have quite a bit of life and can land on your planet from any direction). Combined with the fact that nukes have a capitalship ability and an Anti space ability I think they shold be considerably harder to get (maybe require tier 7 or 10 Fission tech instead of tier 3).

 

[nitko]

In the latest version the death triggers for red seem to be messed up. When red loses all his civilian buildings he "loses" instantly without having to wait two minuets.

Confirming this, happened to me just last game (latest map/patch). But forgot about it till now eh.

edit: just remembered one more bug, story goes:

I'm again on red slot, icy planet, all cool and nice, have things under control just as i like both in space and planet. I'm exterminating some guys on neighbor planet but lack of orbital bombarment ships and I'm damn too lazy to build land army and use transporters for them. So I decide to take Ion's as final tech (I often take final tech late in game after I see what would be useful / funny to play) and put some of these sexy ion cannons in alien's planet orbit to help myself clearing it out. Problem was i already had max (6?) satelites (defence ones) in my planet's orbit and game didn't let me build any other! Needless to mention I tried to move existing satellites out of my orbit to some other planet to 'make room' - and it didn't work out. Also tried (thats actually first what i did) to put few workers on alien planet I want sattelites on and build 3 space stations there to launch satellites directly where i need them. - nothing worked out. I'm either missing something or its bug for our dear TKF to fix!

cheers

 

[Arcmage]

You can only have six satalites in the solar system not just above your planet. I think this is to prevent lag due to orbiting or something like that.

 

[Tylor]

I love the map. Here are some of my thoughts.

Noticed an inconsistency with the upgrades.
Laser Tank has Laser Attack Type and Fusion Armor Type.
It gets upgrades from Laser Weapons and Titanium(?!).
Plasma Mech has a Plasma Attack Type and Titanium Armor Type.
It gets upgrades from Plasma Weapons and Titanium.
I figured Laser Tanks should have the Titanium Armor Type.

Not sure if Offensive Defense Satellites should be an effective rush tactic.
If the target doesn't have a Defense structure up he'll be locked in a Satellite vs Satellite battle for a while. It's fairly easy to counter if you know about, 1 tower and you're safe really. The problem for me was that I had a Drydock pretty close to the planet and had a hard time to get a builder to get out of the satellites reach.
Only edit I think might be necessary would be to make space builders immune to defensive satellites.

A message when you can fire your next Ion Cannon could be nice. Shame to waste a cooldown.

Infantry feels kinda clumsy to move around, like their collision size is too big or something.

Who made the planet model? Rightfield?

Now for more general suggestions/ideas that are not really important.
Psychic based final tier tech, mind control ground units. Covert ops like units that can use Enemy Civilian Complexes to spawn infantry units.

There's 1 plasma ground unit and 1 laser ground unit. I assume they're mostly there for synergy upgrade reasons. Ground unit with disruptor type damage could be cool for symmetry, but not sure for what practical reason really.
Laser/Plasma Infantry. Upgrade for Flamethrower units to give them a Plasma type attack. Melee Laser Infantry?

Dyson sphere final tech? Allows you to build income structures by the sun. Final tech with bias to Crotur and Umos isn't such a good idea though.

A lasting radiation effect would be cool after using nukes and certain orbital bombardments. Would encourage you to enter the planet and conquer it instead of just blasting away everything on the surface. The radiation could cause damage to everything in the affected area over time. So you'd lose the conrol zones after a while if you don't repair them.

That's all I can think of now.
Keep up the good work! or don't the map is great as it is.


Currently there seems to be 2 solar conquest bots running on northrend by Browneh and Kotofay. Message me Zakyrn@northrend if you're interested in playing.

Edit: Typos, bad internet grammar

 

[kiloneie]

If only TKF would ever read comments xD.

 

[Tylor]

Shame people chose Good vs Evil that game kiloneie.

Just had a lame game
http://imageshack.us/f/6/cowarde.jpg/
Three people who seemed to know eachother first moved me from a spot in the lobby and then when I bombarded their second planet they kicked me, disconnected just after.
Not sure if his name was mafiaboss, I think it was longer and I think his friends had names starting with D like Devin or something.
Just a friendly warning.

 

[Arcmage]

Lots of people who are not actually very good at the game just kick when they are about to lose or form large teams with friends. Take it all with a grain of salt and a good sense of sportsmanship.

P.S. Did TKF drop off the face of the Earth?

 

[-Kobas-]

15:15, 01st Jun 2011
-Kobas-
Status: Approved
Really unique and epic wc3 map, from now on, it's highly recommended.

Have a nice day.

 

[elfian]

Me requirez a list of ttly addicted to this map players on garena for a serious play, 'cause all teh lamers quit, 'cause some people are so dumb they can't even zoom out in space view. This map is like a luxurious dinner, but only a few people know how to use the fork and the spoon.

 

[clockwork2]

WOW,this is epic

 

[Nightblade]

This map is one of the best I have ever played.Hats off to you.

 

[TKF]

I know this comes as a SHOCK, but I'm no longer the official mapper of Solar Conquest, as I resign myself from this project and wc3.

Have a nice day!


~RETIRING~

 

[Tleno]

Oh dear... so who'll be in charge of it now? Oh wait, Callex?

 

[-Kobas-]

Yes he will be the one.

 

[sniper23]

good job superior map

 

[Ras]

"it's highly recommended" yes is very recommended, i love space maps

 

[nitko]

We badly need mapmaker. Ive been hosting (and playing) latest ver of solar conquest past week and 2 days in a row I got bug that is described by me on previous page (1 guy leavs game - game triggers global end event). This is critical bug that neeeds fixing asap. Its not nice when we develop game, make some progress, pick tech, prepare for fights - and map just d/c us all because one leaver. If bug cannont be tracked I suggest just removing end game event as immediate patch up.

To my slight observation it happens when first leaver is after 30 minute mark, but it may also be some other conditions (maybe red player making alliance with non planet buddy) aswell.

Also, I strongly urge all players in my game to vote united planets / normal tech (sometimes space tech if i want faster game) so thats mode which we play all the time.

To potential players: my hostbot nick is 'solarbot' on all realms (bnet, eubnet, garena), and I will host about 2 games a day in the evening around 23h and later my time (CET)

 

[kiloneie]

I have never got this end ever in like 20 games i have played...
Well anyways i got a ... i must play again ... btw THQ i think thats ur nick if ont im sorry well in few years i might do this map aswell... i just have trouble getting an artist... if you know somebody that does top down perspective or can do fake 3D with a script tell me man.

I know this comes as a SHOCK, but I'm no longer the official mapper of Solar Conquest, as I resign myself from this project and wc3.

Have a nice day!


~RETIRING~

So if noone is doing it can i try ? i haven't released any of maps but im no shit coder i know game design well i will not try to claim anything i just want to continue on it. I will not add over poowered units and such i will make improvments and fix all bugs i can find if you let me to.

Best regards,
Primoz (aka kiloneie).

 

[Brambleclaw]

Kiloneie dont double post

btw Very well made map love it +rep.

Although i came across alot of imbalances

Galactic cannon is overpowered

Getting Shield upgrade Spamming Base defenses to orbital and doing 3k dmg per attack with shields protecting is slightly overpowered as you need about 30 Huge ships to even get near the base then since they cant enter the atmosphere u need to some how take all the dmg without them aiming your carriers as you try to bring in units. Even if you bring in units they can get easilly killed. So the only way to stop a Shield and Defense spam is Explode loads of 10 k ships --- Kinda needs balancing ---
Although galactic cannon just pawns it anyway.

The Ship which looks like Deathstar is seriously underpowered. And A few starships can destroy it easilly. Due to the Rift abillity


Apart from that Love it ^^

 

[Arcmage]

Galactic cannons are not Op at all. They are really just anti turtle weapons that are inefficient for there price. Nukes are very very Op considering how inexpensive and powerful they are. (They are one of the first final tiers you get access to).

However all of that is irrelevant unless TKF or Callex hands the map over to someone or one of them starts working on it again. It would be sad to see solar conquest die.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Galactic cannon 3 hit ko on any planet nice not op at all..

Nukes i can juist aim them with towers or get a planetary shield. Nukes are fail.
Or better nukes dont even do much dmg 0.0 they halt my land eoc a bit but by that time most of my eco is space.

Shields is one of the first final tiers u get acess to like Robotics. Nukes are pretty useless

now Biowarfare is better

 

[Arcmage]

You can get nukes much much faster than shields. I am more than willing to show you how rigged a nuke rush is in game. (I don't say this after being nuke rushed this has never happened to me I nuke rush other people). For the price of a galactic cannon and 3 shots you could have a fleet of capital ships which could easily destroy the cannon and the cannon is slow to build and requires a huge amount of resources.

Even with shields the blast radius of a nuke is greater than that of a shield so you can simply target a valley near a shield which cannot be blocked to attack a planet. But that is irrelevant as you can get nukes faster than shields.

Anti space nukes are also way more powerful than they should be for there price. (Pretty much as powerful as a galactic cannon shot for 1/20th the resources)

 

[Brambleclaw]

1. Actually there about teh same speed.
2. No if you rush space you can just use normal units to kill a nuke --- Takes about 5 defense cannons or a few petyas. Or even better just kill it using miners or a battlestation o.o
3. I meant A PLANETARY shield not a Mini shield. Planetary shield stops everything frrom entering the planet.
4. Again though nukes can be killed. Space cannons cannot be stopped. Hole up one at the corner of the map and you can kill everything.
5. The idea is cannon is end game. You protect it through spam tower mixed with Heavy ships. By the time you get to galactic cannon you will have those kind of ships.

Alternatively you can get space cannon by rushing for it. This means upping your economy. This requires an ally though. Then you pool for it. And again you will start buidling it and since you economy is vast you can build defenses. People will not have capital ships till its built or later.

way to gain hi eco :O

Rush up ur eco from normal eco upgrades to 110. Then after that go space. Let your ally take the planet. Then by the time he comes to space you will have rushed LAser tech and got Miners with wepons. use these to kill the pirates then spam actual space miner units built from the bigger miners not sure on names . Anyway then you create a small fleet and put them in the center protecting most of your unit. OFfer non agression to everyone
Who ever doesnt except place an extra force while you are doign this. Your ally will be coming out to space and will begin to build up his tech.

wait 5 mins and u will have a few k of crystal. Convert at trade port while rush teching up throuhg the direct line to galactic cannon. Any money needed will be provided by your ally at this time. Your (Planet bud)

While you are rushing tech your ally will try and build a respectable defensive force and will go for the shield tech. Giving your planet a planetary shield and also at the same time start to build defense for your galactic cannon.

alternatively rush space then use space ships to take the planet

 

[Arcmage]

The vast majority of serious games do not go into the late game. The result of the game is already decided at that point by who has the most resources. If people do not have capital ships by the time you have a galactic cannon that just means they are playing poorly. The Galactic cannon is not under powered and has its niche as a game ender but its certainly not Op. Shields take much more tech than nukes. I will show you in game if you like.

P.S. Galactic cannon shots CAN be intercepted they onlt have about twice as much life as nukes (3500 life rather than 1500) and as a single shot costs about 3x as much and the cannon costs much much more then they are easier to intercept than nukes for there price.

 

[Brambleclaw]

You can just rush it ..... with an ally. Also Shields are very fast. Even if its slightly later till i get it i can just build LAser defenses. --- I usually rush laser before building a fleet anyway.... As the decent ships dont come till later and miners can kill most ships....

Anyway the point is you can just kill a nuke midflight -.-

And no Shield tech is very fast!!

Check above galactic cannon rush tactic :L

Usually you end up with about 500 eco as your building the galactic cannon. All though if your ally is very good at defending or if you get mass Non agression it can go to 1k+ eco


Had one game where my income was like 5k currency/trade and every income i was gaining like 10 k crystal from miners//



what server do you play on?

 

[Arcmage]

You can kill galactic cannons shots midflight and spaming nukes (making it veery difficult to intercept them) is easy.

Nukes require Fission engines - 3 fission upgrades - Core overload - nukes
All these technologies are practical and give you other benefits as well.

Shields require (Which quires fission engines and some other stuff) Space travel - Large scale construction - Automated construction - and is therefor more expensive and also does not give you a head start on getting ships.

Shields are also purely defensive (except for Atlas).

I think the only way to resolve this is for me to show you in game how fast a nuke rush can be. (Nukes remain quite useful late game as they are an inexpensive way of killing capital ships).

You would be better off getting warp and robotics with an ally than rushing a galactic cannon.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Right and yet you need a station to send nukes where as most techs your talking about and adding you need to be able to build a nuke station anyway. These are just standard techs. -.-

Shields are purely defensive well down you also with it get a planatery cannon one which fires from the planet and deal 3k dmg. So if you think about it Galactic cannnon + An epic defense = Imba. Hence why teh galactic doesnt die> JUST SHOVE IT in a corner therefor only limited ways of attack and a huge advangtage for defense asu spam towers ;O and match there Ships

Also the Nuke techs require other techs as well. You simply havnt exapnded it. If you want i can expand both for you

 

[Arcmage]

Planetary defense lasers deal 750 damage base and 1k damage when fully upgraded not 3k. They are powerful regardless of weather you have shields. The additional technologies required for nukes are also all required for shields (just basic space tech stuff). So adding it would be redundant.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Nope they deal 3k dmg to my capital ships .....and there imba when you combine them with shields for protection and add anti air therefor making your planet impentrable to ships.

You say adding would be redundant yet you added it for Shields and not nukes. My point was you were making your argument 100% biast by mistating facts and not compreding the full list on 1 side but making it on the other

"Space flight" I.E

 

[Arcmage]

Just look at the damage it says it on the unit.... If it deals 3k damage to your capital ship that's because there are three of them.

My list for shields is NOT full. You don't need space flight to get nukes.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Wow right to get a Space nuke station you dont need to be able to get into space. YOu know that makes sense it really does

 

[Arcmage]

You don't need space to get the actual technology for nukes. You can also lauch nukes from land based missile silos btw.

 

[Brambleclaw]

There is no land based missile silo. I just got the final tier in a game there was no land base one o.o

Only a orbital strike silo ---- Maybe your playing an old version .....

Nukes

To get nukes you need
Upgrade Crys Currency
Kinetic projectiles 10 100
Explosives 10 125
Rocket projectiles 25 200
Heat resistant plating 10 200
Nuclear fission 15 250
Fission engines 25 325


Fission engines upgrade 1 2 3

1. 20 250
2. 40 500
3. 60 750

Core metldown 50 400

Advanced nuclear weponary 200 4000

Space center 30 400
Space travel 30 1500
Space exploration 20 400
Space unit 0 300

Orbital strike platform 50 1000

To use it you need a specialist right so

Infantry training: 5 80

Barracks 5 200

rapid growing tissue 10 180
Performance enhancers 10 180
Advanced training 35 300
Enhacned sodlier optics 25 250
Specialist infantry 30 500
Specialist 40 550
Space transport 12 200
Hostile climate adaptation: 55 1500


Total cost


Total number of upgrades -22
Total number of units to be built 4
Crystal 742
Currency 14740

This does not include arming the nuke which For nuclear arming would be 85 800 or
mutagen 90 900

Both have a cooldown which seems to be about 120 seconds or so

Or tech centers.
Although it would be 45 1100 for the tech centers
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Shields

To get Shields
Upgrade Crystal Currency

Kinetic projectiles 10 100
Explosives 10 125
Rocket projectiles 25 200
Heat resistant plating 10 200
Space exploration 20 400
Nuclear fission 15 250
Fission engines 25 325
Space travel 30 1500
Space unit 0 300
Space center 30 400
Large scale construction 30 800
Automated Construction 30 700
Shield tech 50 2000
Planertary shield gen 200 2000

Total Upgrade amount 11
Total Units 3
Total Cost Crystal: 495
Total cost Currency: 9400

Tech center costs were emitted also these would of added to 45 1100.---

And once you have nukes first you have to get the specialist to the enemies base without them noticing. Good luck with that --- Very difficult if there not noobs


And that is conclusive proof. I counted each tech tree and reqs. You can check it yourself

Shields have 11 less upgrades and is 5k cheaper in currency and 300 in crystal.

 

[Arcmage]

No I am most certainly playing the new version maybe you are playing the old version. There is a land based missile silo which can fire tactical space missiles or nuclear ones if you have the tech. Rushing shields is not comparable to rushing nukes because rushing nukes will win you the game wile rushing shields will only keep you from losing it.

As stated I am more than willing to play against you and show you how easy it is to win with nukes (even if you are trying to counter me.)