Round Table of Arkain

[DD Mikasa]

To me the royalist are the least evil faction.I mean lets face it their land has truned into a FFA with Demons Orcs(gnolls and centaurs) Imperials(Ex-Imperials such as Gardon and GG) and Undeads(Saphire and Rahndir) all going around and cracking eachothers skulls just for them to "gain" a firm foothold into the continent.In a point is almost comical like one of those house host parties when everything goes to hell and the host is left to deal with all the mess when the dust has settled.

However in the upcoming chapters where i hope royalist get to play a bigger part rather than just guard duty as Gardons lapdogs we might get more info on them,as king Dorten after all it is known as not being fond of Imperials even if they are ex-Imperials (probably a backstab o Gardon ) or some uneasy alliances who knows Shar did point out we have to excpet more politics on the upcoming chapters.

 

[LISBOAH]

To me the royalist are the least evil faction.I mean lets face it their land has truned into a FFA with Demons Orcs(gnolls and centaurs) Imperials(Ex-Imperials such as Gardon and GG) and Undeads(Saphire and Rahndir) all going around and cracking eachothers skulls just for them to "gain" a firm foothold into the continent.In a point is almost comical like one of those house host parties when everything goes to hell and the host is left to deal with all the mess when the dust has settled.

Reminds me of the entire Europe during the two world wars.
And the imperials seem like the USA, practically taking control of the allied forces and fighting wars on others' territories, while their lands are never pillaged or burnt.

However in the upcoming chapters where i hope royalist get to play a bigger part rather than just guard duty as Gardons lapdogs we might get more info on them,as king Dorten after all it is known as not being fond of Imperials even if they are ex-Imperials (probably a backstab o Gardon ) or some uneasy alliances who knows Shar did point out we have to excpet more politics on the upcoming chapters.

We might control them against the demons or the Golden Guard. Maybe...

I think King Dorten will try to prove that he is Gardon's ally, not his puppet, but he is already entangled on Gardon's webs.

 

[DD Mikasa]

More like the scramble for Africa during the colonial era

 

[Championfighter25]

More like the scramble for Africa during the colonial era

Lor and Isalmur are the perfect example for this, currently controlled by nobody and just begging for someone to get them.
Rengal, Kerrel and Salria are like Ethiopia.Independent coutries that Gardon can turn his sights on to expand Zyainor later on.

 

[DD Mikasa]

I wonder who will become King Leopold II

 

[LISBOAH]

I wonder who will become King Leopold II

King Gardon.
King Dorten doesn't seem the type, unless he is somehow corrupted...that or Gardon could brainwash him, thus ruining his reputation and making everyone wish for Gardon to take control over all kingdoms.

And I just gave Shar an idea

 

[DD Mikasa]

Ehm King Leopold II even tho a king it is not exatly know for being a king .

 

[Championfighter25]

Ehm King Leopold II even tho a king it is not exatly know for being a king .

We know he was a tyrant and a murderer, but do you really think Gardon would be like him? Do you think he will slaughter the population of his kingdom just for pleasure of seeing death. He will sacrifice the population for victory, but won't feel joy in it. I just wonder he says he will sacrifice anything, but would he be willing to sacrifice himself?

And I just gave Shar an idea

The script for the 2nd human book is complete so i doubt Shar will change it based on 1 comment. However you may have given him an idea about a future spin-off campaign.

 

[DD Mikasa]

I never said Gardon will become like him i was just asking xD

 

[ArchDuke]

Spoiler

in chapter 9 of SHB if you spare the dark elves base in chapter 6, they will be present there and taking command from edoarus.they will attack the golden guard vanguard with the black dragons

I spared the dark elves in ch 6, but the dark elves in ch 9 were taking orders from Merizyl the ascendant (the spider lady)

 

[King Tidus]

Sir Edoarus appears in the intro cinematic for mission 9, not the actual mission
I dont believe he made any in-game appearances so far, only in cinematics

 

[Ashley]

I spared the dark elves in ch 6, but the dark elves in ch 9 were taking orders from Merizyl the ascendant (the spider lady)

merizyl the ascendant got an order from edoarus

 

[King Tidus]

Regarding the factions.

1
I think the least evil are probably the royals, since their sole goal is to defend their land as well as lives from the demon invasion that has threaten to take everything from them.

2
Retka’s rebellion, because although what Retka did wasn’t right, he was basically tricked into it by van durce and chances are he wouldn’t have done it otherwise

 

[LISBOAH]

Regarding the factions.

1
I think the least evil are probably the royals, since their sole goal is to defend their land as well as lives from the demon invasion that has threaten to take everything from them.

2
Retka’s rebellion, because although what Retka did wasn’t right, he was basically tricked into it by van durce and chances are he wouldn’t have done it otherwise

I agree with the royals.

However Retka's rebellion not, because they attacked, pillaged and opressed villages, and I more than certain that van Durce didn't order them to do that.

 

[King Tidus]

@LISBOAH
They were tricked into rebelling by Van Durce, and seeing how formidable the ironfist was they chose to use all the tools available at their disposal (kinda like what gardon does) Im not saying their hands are clean, but they're likely cleaner than lots of the other factions, atleast in my opinion

 

[Championfighter25]

@King Tidus
They weren't tricked. They knew all too well they could die, but since they were power hungry they didn't give a damn. They were pawns and nothing more.

 

[King Tidus]

well their hands seem cleaner than lots of other factions to me, remember this is opinion based

 

[Razorfang]

Least evil:

Larine : she did nothing wrong, tried to stop Gardon from having his influence on salana, and tried to rid the world of Bryant

The Royals: only tried to defend themselves and their lives

Progotist the smoking: he repeatedly got attacked for no reason, did nothing wrong

 

[King Tidus]

Why even put the firelord in that poll, all he was designed to be was fodder for the armies, he had no faction, he simply comes back because Shar doesn't want to invent anyone new to replace him

 

[LISBOAH]

Least evil:

Larine : she did nothing wrong, tried to stop Gardon from having his influence on salana, and tried to rid the world of Bryant

The Royals: only tried to defend themselves and their lives

Progotist the smoking: he repeatedly got attacked for no reason, did nothing wrong

Fair enough.

Also: New Meme! ProgaderasDidNothingWrong!

 

[Deleted member 238589]

Why even put the firelord in that poll, all he was designed to be was fodder for the armies, he had no faction, he simply comes back because Shar doesn't want to invent anyone new to replace him

True, but he's more like a living meme now.

 

[DD Mikasa]

Retka is a bit of a odd ball for me.While what Lisboah say is true,Tidius does make a point.You could buy em for a nationalistic movmet aiming to save their land.However their methods seemed pretty harsh(not mentioning here their involment with the Maruders) truth be told they were nothing more but a sacrificial lamb for me.Neither Evil nor Good i'd call em Neutral just some fellas tryna make a profit while everything is going to shits...Cant say i respect em but hey they are doing nothing wrong as well.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Why even put the firelord in that poll, all he was designed to be was fodder for the armies, he had no faction, he simply comes back because Shar doesn't want to invent anyone new to replace him

HAD.
=)

 

[King Tidus]

@DD Mikasa

Let's say your continent was gettting invaded by demons, and van durce, the emperor's personal general (or whatever he is) made you a choice: rebel, destroy Gardon and you'll be allowed to rule the continent, now lets say he doesn't rebel, the way things are going he probably thinks the continent is lost, at any rate the demon invasion is in full swing, so he chooses to rebel because this at least puts some power into his hands, now he's up against Gardon, he gets intel that this guy likes to use dark magic and various forbidden arts to destroy his enemies, so he think if Im gonna go up against this guy I might as well use everything i got at my disposal, and so he does, Im not saying that his hands are clean, but chances are he did what pretty much any rationally thinking person would've done in this particular circumstance...at least in my opinion

 

[DD Mikasa]

".Neither Evil nor Good i'd call em Neutral just some fellas tryna make a profit while everything is going to shits...Cant say i respect em but hey they are doing nothing wrong as well."

Does not that line pretty much says what you said?

Or was it about the Maruder part,in that particular case if you are tryna sell people the image of you being their new King and Saviour paying a bunch of dudes that used to rob and might still be robing ur supposed "future subjects" aint really smart even for a dumbass let alone for a nobel and supposed future king.While yes employing their service in contrast to Gardon "ways" aint anything evill still makes you come off as abit of a dick in the eyes of your subjets...No wonder one of the towns wanted to defect so fast from the Real of this so called new King.

 

[King Tidus]

look we're all allowed to have a different opinion, all I was saying is that lots of people in his shoes would make similar choices

 

[LISBOAH]

look we're all allowed to have a different opinion, all I was saying is that lots of people in his shoes would make similar choices

Gentlemen you can't fight in here! This is the Discussion Thread!

 

[Razorfang]

@King Tidus I agree with that, wonder what the gameplay would've been like if you would've fought on Retka's side instead of Gardon's

if I remember correctly half of what retka had was poorly equipped peasants, only some of his personal armies were well equipped... he had no choice but to recruit those marauders to even have a small shot at beating the mighty ironfist

 

[DD Mikasa]

@LISBOAH
It wasn't a fight i was just explaing my though procces on labeling him as a neutral dude.This was just a discussion,I wasn't trying to fight with anyone

@King Tidus
I never said you was not allowed to.Just tryna explain my though procces behind my opinion on him.

@Razorfang
I highly doubt a handfull of undisiplined glorified pillagers would stand that much of a chance against Gardon and his army.They were there to subdue anyone who was not willing to accept Retka as a new king.

 

[Razorfang]

Compared to how much blood the other factions have on their hands (except the royals), Retka is almost like a saint

don't forget gardon's blood shields, all the attrocities commited by the golden guard, and undead's enslavement of some races

 

[King Tidus]

This thing has gotten out of hand, all I meant to say is that IN MY OPINION Retka's faction could be considered one of the least evil factions listed in that poll

 

[Shar Dundred]

Nothing wrong in having different opinions and discussing these, even if it leads to arguments,
as long as everyone stays civil. :-]

We are individuals, we are bound to disagree on certain points.

 

[DD Mikasa]

Calling Retka a saint is a bit of exageration buddy.

 

[Championfighter25]

@DD Mikasa
You know considering he accepted to rebel and in doing that made Gardon a ruler of 2 kingdoms in a strange way he did something good!

 

[Razorfang]

I said almost like a saint, as compared to other factions who have much more blood on their hands

 

[Shar Dundred]

Retka's rebellion was what made Gardon powerful again - even though Retka hardly intended that.
Keep in mind what effect the entire rebellion had.

 

[Razorfang]

Let's say you have 3 dictators/absolute monarchs, a decision has to be made on which one is going to rule the country

If king 1 gets to rule 5% of the population will not survive due to various causes
If king 2 gets to rule 20% of the population will not survive....
If king 3 gets to rule 50% of the population will not survive...

If the survival/nonsurvival of certain percentages of the populations are directly caused by each king's actions which king has the least blood on his hands?

 

[DD Mikasa]

Factions having blood in their hands during times of war does not say much.Hey its war before he cracks my skull i crack his what so evill in that...What he did weaked the Royal front even more which lead to more Demons and Orcs slipping through and having fun over the kingdoms,Plunged the continet on a civil war and all of this cuz he wanted to be KING while hiding it behind the fact that he is trying to save his people which considering his actions and their counteractions shows he wasn't that much of a popular choice among the people sinc the begining of his rule.

Now lets say he does not rebel but joins his armies with the front/gardon and help save the continet.

Which one would you deem as the least evil choice?

I am not saying he did wrong but he did not do good either...Hell the only evil SoB in here is the Emperor cuz everyone else is or was acting on his rules.Appart from Demons ofc OR were they!!!

 

[Boriss]

I never asked for this campaign to turn into porncraft. Im just saying that we all know how elven societies work. And that knowledge is critical in discerning what Larine´s next move will be.

 

[Razorfang]

Van durce tricked him into making the decision, yes he did weaken the royal front, but Im guessing he thought that the status quo wont win the war and he had to do something in order to improve the status quo, put yourself in his shoes

 

[King Tidus]

This is just pointless arguing, let Razorfang have his opinion, also I don't think Retka could've joined gardon because before he overthrew the king he was just some high ranking noble without an army or anything else

 

[DD Mikasa]

So let us plunge the continet on a civil war...As if Demons Undeads and Orcs killing us wasnt enough let us kill each other...He seriously must have been a dumb ass then...There is no other explanation.Even if he got his own personal realm how could have he possibly survived the demons and orc raids i sure hope he was not thinking to rely on the empire helping him...After all the empire had been failing miserably up to that point.

Just my two thoughts on his situation.He is a very confusing character not to much background on him or his family.Hoping to get more light on them with Scarlet now incorporated into Iron Fist.

 

[Championfighter25]

So let us plunge the continet on a civil war...As if Demons Undeads and Orcs killing us wasnt enough let us kill each other...He seriously must have been a dumb ass then...There is no other explanation.Even if he got his own personal realm how could have he possibly survived the demons and orc raids i sure hope he did not rely on the empire helping him...After all the empire had been failing miserably up to that point.

You know Gardon may plunge the continent into a civil war too if his plan to revive Zyainor is exposed by someone else.

 

[King Tidus]

If he wouldn't have overthrown the king, he wouldn't have an army to stand with him, he would've been just one nobleman and maybe had his personal guard at his command...if he tried to fight the demons with that he would've been cooked

 

[DD Mikasa]

@Championfighter25

May with did are two different things.Plus at this point the only one ramping up victories against the invading forces is Gardon so he gets the biggest share of the cake after all the dust has settled...Retka tried to take his part of the cake without doing anything and before the external issues were delt with.

@King Tidus
He HAD to have some sort of personal army/levy to overthrow the king and his royalist forces i dont remember his trusted men being part of Golden Guard or at least an army strong enough to at the slightest give him some sort of credibility in the eyes of Van Douch for him to back up his claim to the throne.


Not to mention he invaided another kingdom of the Royal front (not sure but this one i have not replayed his missions in a long time)

 

[Championfighter25]

May with did are two different things.Plus at this point the only one ramping up victories against the invading forces is Gardon so he gets the biggest share of the cake after all the dust has settled...Retka tried to take his part of the cake without doing anything and before the external issues were delt with.

I know the difference. Im only saying if he isn't careful he can make a civil war they don't want. The Zyainor empire is supposed the bring unity to the continent, but annoucing you will revive it too early will lead to serious consequences.

Not to mention he invaided another kingdom of the Royal front (not sure but this one i have not replayed his missions in a long time)

I think you are talking about Toran. He managed to invade half of the kingdom and during the siege of it's capital killed the king.

 

[DD Mikasa]

Besides even if he leads the country on a civil war i doubt it would be during the curret wars with the Demons and Orcs.In Retkas case it was during the war with Demons.

 

[King Tidus]

@DD Mikasa I'm sure he had some small personal guard force, but I think van durce allowed him to overthrow the king because he knew other nobles who gotten fed up with the king who themselves would throw in their resources and forces to see that the king is overthrown, and Retka was in a position to not only overthrow the old king, but due to having favor amongst those who would help him do the deed become the new king himself, I highly doubted that Retka had a sizeable force before he dealt with the king, maybe he had a personal guard consisting of a few loyal soldiers, but a personal army -- no way

 

[LISBOAH]

I know the difference. Im only saying if he isn't careful he can make a civil war they don't want. The Zyainor empire is supposed the bring unity to the continent, but annoucing you will revive it too early will lead to serious consequences.

Especially if you proclaim yourself as its emperor and allied with black dragons.

 

[DD Mikasa]

I think you are talking about Toran. He managed to invade half of the kingdom and during the siege of it's capital killed the king.

Yup.That one.Arkain toponyms are way to compilcated for me