Resource Ratings / About the rating system

[daxtreme]

Hi

I have a concern with resource rating.

First of all, those who rate resources are people who don't really care and are on a "rate-1" spree.

Second, people who liked a resource never really rate it, unless it changed their lives.

Third, even the person who submitted the resource can rate it, which means an insta-10 rating.

In my opinion, rating is useless because of those facts Also, when I need a resource I don't look at the rating, I look at the preview. Rating means nothing and I know it!

I don't really have ideas right now, except removing rating. Or maybe add comments along with rating.

 

[Kimbo]

I think there was a thread about this in the mod section, i believe rating should be left off limits to guests, and those who rate leave their user names so we can see the abusers, and lastly disable the ability for self voters, they piss me off, selfish bastards.

 

[daxtreme]

Well I was forced to self-rate my ressource (Which I think is good and got approved) because 2 random users rated it 0...

I am against what I did, but I'm even more against rating!

 

[PurplePoot]

It's being discussed between the mods, and it will hopefully be fixed soon, but yeah, it is an issue.

 

[Ham Ham]

add comments along with rating.

It is a good idea.

If the user MUST post a comment with his rate, maybe it will prevent lots of abuse.
EDIT: and, rates with blank comments can be considerated spam or malicious vote (malicious vote is voting a lower rate in a resource to make it appear bad, or a high vote on your resource to make it appear better).
the user will have his rate ignored and will be punished with -rep

 

[Diablo-dk]

I tottaly agree with Ham, if there should be a rating system then it shouldn't be possible for everyone just to spam rate 1. they must have a reason and a good comment.
And yea guests shouldn't be allowed to rate...that way someone can just spam 10 rating on his resource and 1 on everyone else's work.

 

[daxtreme]

It is a good idea.

If the user MUST post a comment with his rate, maybe it will prevent lots of abuse.
EDIT: and, rates with blank comments can be considerated spam or malicious vote (malicious vote is voting a lower rate in a resource to make it appear bad, or a high vote on your resource to make it appear better).
the user will have his rate ignored and will be punished with -rep

I like the "rate ignored" idea. Really nice You simply add a way to detect if a user rates anything without a comment, and delete that rating instantly.

 

[Ham Ham]

I like the "rate ignored" idea. Really nice delete that rating instantly.

Or just let a mod see it and punish the user, with will be much more funny XD

 

[Ralle]

some websites has got a "I like it" and "I don't like it". Only two rates. what you think about that?

 

[Ham Ham]

If this can prevent abuse, it is ok
I personaly prefers the 0-10 rating, it gives more option for the users.
But, you are the chieftain, if you think it beter...

 

[Ralle]

well. I just think it would be easier.
Everyone rates differently. Someone rates 7 for very good and someone rates 10 for very good.
But rating for "I like it" and "I don't like it" is much easier.

Then we will list rating as (I like) / (I don't like) so we will have a number of how many positive votes per negative.

 

[PurplePoot]

I agree with I like it / Dislike it, since I find myself often not even rating cause I'm not sure what the little numbers really mean in the eyes of the submitter (I see 6-7 as meaning good, from the tooltips, yet some people see 9-10, etc). Thus, a congratulations can become an insult, depending on what your opinions are compared to theirs.

 

[Shados]

Wait, if you're going by that sort of a system, how about:

• I like it
• I don't like or dislike it
• I don't like it
• It could be good, but needs work (Allows you to change your rating later on?)

 

[VGsatomi]

The rating system will always be vulnerable to such problems.

HOwever, Vexorian once came up with a good rating system. One based on a value-by-total-points rather then a 1 to 10 rating poor-to-excellent rating. That way even if someone rated a resource a "1", it still gave +1 points to the resource to add it its total points. That way people who dont like the resource are forced not to rate it.
-VGsatomi

 

[Ralle]

So the more popular, the more points ?

 

[Ham Ham]

I already has seen this system on the United Mappers.
Belive on me, this dont work =.=

Ralle idea is best.
EDIT: Or, to give more options:

- Good
- Regular
- Bad

 

[Arab4life]

I have an idea! How about, if you wanna rate the map. post a comment on it!

Is that not alot easier?....Does anyone seriously read the ratings anyway?

 

[Ham Ham]

I already give this idea on the 5th reply.

 

[Ralle]

I have an idea! How about, if you wanna rate the map. post a comment on it!

Is that not alot easier?....Does anyone seriously read the ratings anyway?

Yes they do!

 

[Jaakko]

About the rating system

I'm just wondering is it so that if somebody updates a map and somebody had rated the old map before the update is it possible for that person to change his/her rating? I have never been able to try this and if this is not possible I think it should be made possible.

 

[Wolverabid]

As things stand right now the ratings for any specific resource are always maintained. Everyone must vote carefully when rating resources, some guidelines are shown in the map submission rules:

Resource Comments and Ratings:

• All users are allowed and encouraged to comment upon and rate submitted resources.
  
  
• We owe it to the mapmakers that put time and effort into their maps and to our community itself to be as helpful and supportive as possible.
  
  
• Please leave CONSTRUCTIVE feedback only, especially if the user is new and needs it.
  
  
• Flaming, hostile feedback or down rating may be punished.

Changing the rating system to account for resources that have been updated would require editing those scripts that produce and maintain the ratings: only Ralle can do that.

 

[Jaakko]

But I think it would be good if an updated resource could be rerated.

 

[Wolverabid]

Post in the [self="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32064"]To Do List[/Self] to add your suggestion.

As a side note, I now recall that a nearly identical discussion has taken place in the past: I'll merge this thread so you can review the previous posts and all the information will be kept in one place.

~ Threads merged.

 

[Jaakko]

Speaking of rating system it just got abused in my first map submission ever. Today my map had ten votes and rating was 8.89 but few hours later after this moron Valtz_32 posted in my map discussion votes rose to 28 and rating dropped to 4.16. All just in few hours although it took many days to even get those ten ratings so it's clear this Valtz idiot has abused the system and uses like twenty profiles to trash good maps. Valtz_32 did hostile feedback and downrating for me.

 

[Shados]

Jaakko, Valtz_32 will likely be banned for multi account use, so I suggest you ask Ralle to remove his rating.


-*meow*

 

[Jaakko]

The map rating dropped already in few hours from 8.66 (a bit more than 10 votes maybe 15) to 7.77 with 17 votes. I'm tired of some mysterious people giving ratings but not leaving a comment at all.

I really think that the site rating system should be changed so that everybody sees who has rated and how. And a comment with rating should be left.

 

[Jaakko]

Somebody is downrating my map again. It dropped below 5 in few moments again with 10 more votes.

 

[Wolverabid]

Somebody is downrating my map again. It dropped below 5 in few moments again with 10 more votes.

Sonofa...

I contacted Ralle yesterday about this issue. In my opinion it's a very, very, serious matter indeed.

In the coming weeks everyone should expect that some changes will take place in order to fully address this situation.

[sound]http://hiveworkshop.com/gfx/wolve/sounds/3whip.wav[/sound]

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Yesterday someone rated all my maps and gave them 1 point. No comments were given. I think it's the same guy that is abusing the Jaakko's map.

I have an idea! How about, if you wanna rate the map. post a comment on it!

This is a very good idea. I suggest that Ralle should do this. Of course there is always a big BUT. Because some guys are afraid to give a comment, they always do a rate only.

 

[Jaakko]

Omg my map has now 2.96 (63)

 

[Ralle]

I will help you Jaako. I am gonna remove the rating system and add user rating system instead. So you will be able to see which users rated you, instead of IP's

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

User rating instead of IP rating would be much better.

 

[Eleandor]

Posting comments is a bad idea. I don't want to post a useless message everytime I rate a resource. It's going to flood recourse section with spam (honestly, who wants to read through 10 pages of "omg itz zu kewl"), which also means we'll need more resource mods to moderate comments, and each individual rating. It also means that if there's a bug in a model, and everyone rates it 1, the bug will be mentioned by everyone in their comments. Do we really want to see every message a 100 times? If I bother reading comments, then I read them to see if anyone else encountered a bug I also encountered, or to see if it's worth downloading or not.

IMO the best solution would be: making it visible who votes what, and also ask to add a comment when rating in an extreme way (e.g. rating 1, 2, 3, 9, 10)

 

[DesKaladA]

When i worked at the FA Life as a mod/game maker person(that was cool when i did it lost all of the work with worms tho) there was a very small resource section now its gone gone with the wind. i set up this system to help with this problom there a changed version that might work with the hive

rating is based on rep more +rep more rating value
Add a bad raiting tag to profiles have a tag you cant rate unless a mod/admin takes it away
now use this algorithm to calculate rating

+rep + rating number = N / 1\ user rep = R
N = equation a sum
R = rating

and no one spamed it with out defeating the locks

 

[Wolverabid]

rating is based on rep more +rep more rating value

That's a great idea. However, at present the resource sections are separate from the vBulletin forum that governs reputation. Ralle intends to (eventually) move all the resources to the forum proper (no promises on the time frame).

After that considerable task is completed, all of these problems related to resource ratings will be a thing of the past.

Stay tuned.

 

[DesKaladA]

whell maby Ralle can help with this in the time he will save by not listening to me
This is the THIS

 

[Sgt. Johnson]

The ways I think the rating system could be improved with:

1) You must be logged in to rate a resource.
2) You must leave your username, and a comment of why or for what reason you rated it as you did.
3) Remove the feature for the uploader to rate their own resource.

Also I think there may be a bug with the rating system (Decimal ratings anyone?) Such as it having 1 vote for lets say...a 10 of 10 rating. Yet it shows as an 8.56 or something.

 

[HappyTauren]

Both vB and our Res Section use MySQL so it is easy to transfer data, so it is highly possible that rep could be transfered into res section.

 

[DesKaladA]

Ya i am not good with mysql but all that needs to be done is is qwerty the other databes when the number is requested.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

I think it would be good if you also reset the rates of every map. Example some of my maps are getting abused badly because some guys are reducing my maps rates without giving any comments.

When you are going to change the system, Ralle?