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about the mission 7 i agree.Also u can purfiy or kill the sylanas and her death knight.The death knight is former watcher of sylanas group.for mission 6 maybe we can do we been attacked by fel orc ship and the ship were crashed into some unknown island.Ur job is scout the area and build some camps.
 
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Also u can purfiy or kill the sylanas and her death knight.The death knight is former watcher of sylanas group.

OK, but Sylvanas' Death Knight is a former watcher? Doesn't that mean her Death Knight will be a girl? :eek:

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Alright, I've put up the other missions, but I'm a little unsure on the descriptions on Chapter 7 and 8. I just based Chapter 9 on what Stormy said and made up the rest myself. Though that might be OK. Just my ideas. After all, shouldn't I be able to contribute a little to the campaign?
:wink:
 
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OK, but Sylvanas' Death Knight is a former watcher? Doesn't that mean her Death Knight will be a girl? :eek:

EDIT:
Alright, I've put up the other missions, but I'm a little unsure on the descriptions on Chapter 7 and 8. I just based Chapter 9 on what Stormy said and made up the rest myself. Though that might be OK. Just my ideas. After all, shouldn't I be able to contribute a little to the campaign?
:wink:

LoL just put a Banshee if that's un-suiting :p
anyways Why does Sylvanus even need a deathknight ?:grin:
 
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Grom becomes a Fel Orc during the RoC Orc Campaign.

Fel Orcs never fitted in there but well Mr Imperial seemed to insist
and I too gave it a second thought and instead of having any faction just fighting the Undead all over and over again why not some other ?
so I gave it a custom Lore, It's an Altered story doesn't have to follow the real one
and well incase it's still unsuiting for Grom's Orcs to come here we can just make it that
Archimonde brought them from Outland using the same portal he was summoned with, nonetheless all that will be decided when we get there
{Mission 1 Terrain WIP!!}
 
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Yes, 'Shadow did just throw the Fel Orcs in there. You are absolutely right when you said:

Grom becomes a Fel Orc during the RoC Orc Campaign.

I see if you're saying that Grom hasn't turned into a Fel Orc yet and drank the blood of Mannoroth, but as MrStormyZ and I already stated, 'Shadow just threw that in there and this campaign is just an alternative to Blizzard's Campaign. In other words, we changed the lore in this campaign and we don't intend for it to be the same Blizzard's Campaign.




Oh, and just a quick reminder to everyone in the SoHE team, if you would like to post suggestions about the story, go right ahead. I don't think we need anymore ideas on more chapters right now though since we already have 9 chapters.


 
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I have a suggestion. Don't use the hero name Mike Draper. It sounds too...modern english. C'mon Mike??? How 'bout Nekros Redmoore or Lexus Dragonmaw.. Zak Magnus?

Something ancient would be good.

actually me and Imperial spoke about the same thing on msn today
we did come up with a good name which I don't seem to remember right now so yea we will be changing it
Suggestions are all welcome ^^
Lexus Dragonmaw sounds kinda kool
 
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1st Terrain WIP
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Leme know if this kind of Terrain will do ( just the Tiles )
 
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like the ancient elves live here very long time ago and they were do crafting something into the walls.Also maybe we can use dwarf campaign idea for side quests like put some ancient elves building and barracks.those building contains money and wood.another thing skeleton humans+orc were control by a skeleton lich who was once a human priest he was killed by the creature in this cave and someone revived him.maybe our ancient elves or who?i duno either
 
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like the ancient elves live here very long time ago and they were do crafting something into the walls.Also maybe we can use dwarf campaign idea for side quests like put some ancient elves building and barracks.those building contains money and wood.another thing skeleton humans+orc were control by a skeleton lich who was once a human priest he was killed by the creature in this cave and someone revived him.maybe our ancient elves or who?i duno either

NO! no more idea, work work work and finish it otherwise we aren't going to be proceeding anywhere
 
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Hey everybody! The Terrainer position is available. If anyone else wants to join, they can. 'Shadow says we could use the extra help.

I can handle it myself..

I agree with stormy. If you don't work on the map your ideas will never be realized. Finish the terrain first. Then the units and items. Then we do the triggers last.
I finished the Cinematic 1 Map long ago it's you guys who need to get it working..

UPDATE :
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this is the best I could come up with I may need some recommendations on this if this is not good enough.
 
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ok guys just thought about linking in a set of models that can be used for the campaign

Elf Archer
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...arch=swords%20man%20priest&r=20&d=list&page=2

Sorcerer
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...arch=swords%20man%20priest&r=20&d=list&page=2

Craftman
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/high-elf-craftsman-117274/?prev=search=Elf&d=list&r=20

Rider
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnbloodelfcavalry-134184/

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/black-haired-blood-elf-crusader-121808/

Captain Hero
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/royal-captain-108101/?prev=search=captain&d=list&r=20

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ptain-166303/?prev=search=captain&d=list&r=20

Icon
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btngoldknight3-190183/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/packs-542/paladons-shield-upgrades-136553/?prev=r=20&page=5

Ranger
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/skins-552/bloodelfranger_by67chrome-blp-172426/?prev=r=20&page=5

Sorceress
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...eress_by67chrome-blp-172428/?prev=r=20&page=5

Watcher
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/skins-552/highelfwatcher-blp-172441/?prev=r=20&page=5

Enchantress
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/skins-552/bloodelfenchantress-blp-172424/?prev=r=20&page=5

SwordmanMounted
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...dsman-165132/?prev=search=captain&d=list&r=20

Mage
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-48586/?prev=search=priest&r=20&d=list&page=2

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...152788/?prev=search=priest&r=20&d=list&page=3

Spearman
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...man-48599/?prev=search=Elf&r=20&d=list&page=2

Spell Suggestion for Hero
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...1-00-a-107468/?prev=of=rating&order=DESC&r=20

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...v1-1-a-109801/?prev=of=rating&order=DESC&r=20

I think we could use a good set of models(especially the ones by crome) which can be replacing most of the original ones making it look as 1 race
 
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ok now as you guys are totally confused in what you guys are doing I think I need to write
if you are a regular visitor of Hive you probably noticed my Terrain (though small) is near rejection,that should tell you about how hive is to resources,
think about it we work hard for months n months and at the end when we release it some admins comes BAM rejected, what u gona do ?
It has to be good it has to be better, unique pull yourselves together and start working!

I'm giving a Brief of how the Missions should be, it is going to be with the Collective Ideas of us all, put in the best way now to follow it or not is your decision.

So Starting with Cinematic 1

Units supposed to be Present

Sylvanus, Captain,4 Archers,3 Swordsmen,2 Priests and 4 Magic Carts
and The Watcher(optional, an archer can take her place)

They start at the Left Bottom Entrance type place and travel from there to the Cave Entrance.

Over here I say the Cap'n knows where they are going and Sylvanus is simply escorting them

Dialogues

Sylvanas: Hurry, The Cave should be Near.

High Elf Watcher: Misstress do you really wish for us to go.

High Elf Watcher: The Captain, and I would prefer to stay with you and Defend the Quelthalas.

Dalos Hawkwing: Yes Misstress, This makes no sense do you have no faith in the Elves powers ? do you really believe that the Undead can take over us ?

Sylvanas: Wasn't that the same thing you might have thought when the Undead had attacked our Gates ?
The chances of the Survival of Silvermoon are very Slim and I need someone to rally all the elves outside Quelthalas and find the Legendary Twilight Fountain.

High Elf Watcher: Fountain ?

Sylvanas: There are Legends that say the Sunwell is not the only source from which we can gain our magical powers, The Twilight Fountain just happens to be another of them.

Dalos Hawkwing: What if the Sunwell falls ? Misstress are we supposed to leave to find something which might have only existed in stories ? I would rather prefer to stand here and Fall with you, if the Sunwell if it has to be destroyed.

Sylvanus : You have your orders Captain, if the Sunwell falls you will be the only hope for the Highelves Existence in this land, You must press on and find a way.

Dalos Hawkwing: as you wish.. misstress ishnu daldiabe ( or what ever they say )

Sylvanus : The cave has an AntiMagic Essence, You might not be able to regenerate your mana efficiently, use these supply carts, they hold Water from the Sunwell it self.
also remember that if the Sunwell Falls you will not be able to regenerate any magic until you reach the other Legendary Fountain and learn how to use it.
until then these Magical Carts are all you can rely on..

(they enter Cave )

Sylvanas : now to block off this so that the Undead won't be able to follow them inside..
(uses Starfall and the place gets blocked

Sylvanus : I must return to Silvermoon to prepare for the Defenses.
for Her Starfall I would suggest make units(building so it won't move) with small size variation with the Rock/Rock Chunk model ( both ) and have them be Neutral Hostile, so thus they won't move or have our units move to attack them, and starfall can have a good effect when she does it.

and for heaven sakes instead of saying "we don't have Terrain we need more help on it" start working on some actual WE than just idea spamming here
you're the ones who need to put in the required units in the required places of the map and deliver it to Ironman, he might not have experience with Cinematics but if he does know Triggers he should know how to find a way to get the camera moving and the transmission things and Incase he still doesn't wish to do it I WILL ( it's not that hard.. it's not that hard..)

Get in together it GOGOGO We can do this!
 
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ok now as you guys are totally confused in what you guys are doing

No one is confused, Stormy. Everything is fine, just calm down before your head explodes over something that you isn't even yours.

Units supposed to be Present

Sylvanus, Captain,4 Archers,3 Swordsmen,2 Priests and 4 Magic Carts
and The Watcher(optional, an archer can take her place)

The Prologue has already been completed and since when did you take ImperialShadow's place? You're a Terrainer, you aren't going to tell anyone how many of a certain type of unit is supposed to be on the cinematic. Leave that up to me and 'Shadow.
 
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Hey the cinematics done dude. Your a little late and who decided all this You? Your the terrainer. You act like this is your project. Its not. First I'm told to make a cinematic with the dialog given to slayer by ImperialShadow and now you come up with this after I finish it. Forget it!

And when you say your no pro terrainer well thats obvious from lookin at your maps. And you wonder why they reject your terrain? I already told you they don't like blizzard cliffs and you use them anyway.

Personally I think they should get a better terrainer or maybe you could improve the terrain yourself I don't know but you guys need to get organized.

I may or maynot work on this project anymore due to the poor oraganization and lack of communication between people giving instruction to the content of cinematic.

I volunteered to do triggering and here I have to import the models on the cinematic map cause some one else is to lazy to do it. I think myself and stormy are the only ones working on the map. What is ImperialShadows function here??? Is he doing anything? Or just waiting for someone else to do everything?
 
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MrStormyZ said:
start working on some actual WE than just idea spamming here

Idea spamming? You're the one idea spamming! Your post is a page long! All about ideas and your dialogue! First you tell me to do the dialogue, then you go ahead and do it yourself after I get finished with my dialogue.

MrStormyZ said:
They start at the Left Bottom Entrance type place and travel from there to the Cave Entrance.

Over here I say the Cap'n knows where they are going and Sylvanus is simply escorting them

Oh really? Well, I guess you'll find out what really happens in the Cinematic then won't you?

And also, you think you're trying to give ideas when in reality, you're just causing confusion. For example, what are "magic carts?" You can't tell us to put something on a cinematic when we have no idea what it is. For all we know, it could be a flying go-kart!
 
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Idea spamming? You're the one idea spamming! Your post is a page long! All about ideas and your dialogue! First you tell me to do the dialogue, then you go ahead and do it yourself after I get finished with my dialogue.



Oh really? Well, I guess you'll find out what really happens in the Cinematic then won't you?

And also, you think you're trying to give ideas when in reality, you're just causing confusion. For example, what are "magic carts?" You can't tell us to put something on a cinematic when we have no idea what it is. For all we know, it could be a flying go-kart!

Magic carts were suggested by Imperial
huh anyways if the Cinematic is done then I have no problems My work shall proceed ^^

The Explosion I made is merely due to that I never had any updates from you guys on it and each time I go to your profiles to read I do find some confusion and also the Terrain slots being kept empty but well if you believe it's caused due to me then it's all yours to handle!
I shall be till where my work it, no hard feelings..
 
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OK, OK. As the Story of the High Elves Project Manager, I hereby release a new rule.

New rule:
  • Completely new ideas on a particular item (e.g. missions, cinematics, The Story etc.) will not be accepted after that item has been finalized. Minor suggestions to change something will still be considered.
 
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OK, OK. As the Story of the High Elves Project Manager, I hereby release a new rule.

New rule:
  • Completely new ideas on a particular item (e.g. missions, cinematics, The Story etc.) will not be accepted after that item has been finalized. Minor suggestions to change something will still be considered.

and that take cares of everything ^^, hoping to continue working peacefully until the completion success of this campaign.:goblin_yeah:
 
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It's a shame that you didn't post your suggestions for Cinematic 1 sooner. I think it was good. This project NEEDS a good plan for each step (like the cinematic) so it can be done correctly. And post the plan here for the project workers can follow the guild lines. And these ideas should be approved by the project manager before hand.

This is the way a project should proceed:

  1. All ideas and suggestions should be made
  2. Ideas and suggestions should be approved by the project manager
  3. The instruction from these approved ideas should be posted here by the project manager.
  4. The terrain should be completed
  5. Models should be imported into the map
  6. Object editing
  7. Triggering
  8. Loading Screen
  9. Beta testing
  10. Tweaking/balancing/fixes

The next time you want triggering done. Please have the content of what you want done posted here with clear instructions. And have any models needed already in place.

Thank you.
 
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I hereby release another rule.

New rule:
  • Do not spam crazy ideas. I repeat, do not spam crazy ideas!

And 'Shadow, just because you're the Project Creator doesn't mean the rules don't apply for you. You really got to slow down sometimes.

It's a shame that you didn't post your suggestions for Cinematic 1 sooner. I think it was good. This project NEEDS a good plan for each step (like the cinematic) so it can be done correctly. And post the plan here for the project workers can follow the guild lines. And these ideas should be approved by the project manager before hand.

This is the way a project should proceed:

  1. All ideas and suggestions should be made
  2. Ideas and suggestions should be approved by the project manager
  3. The instruction from these approved ideas should be posted here by the project manager.
  4. The terrain should be completed
  5. Models should be imported into the map
  6. Object editing
  7. Triggering
  8. Loading Screen
  9. Beta testing
  10. Tweaking/balancing/fixes

The next time you want triggering done. Please have the content of what you want done posted here with clear instructions. And have any models needed already in place.

Thank you.

That's a good order in which to complete the project. Only if the project really could follow that order.

Slayer14 said:
you should import all the models into the actual campaign itself, not every single map. Use the Campaign Editor. And you should make all of the units for the campaign actually in the campaign itself using the Campaign Editor, not the Object Editor.

This needs to be done, seriously.
 
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Alright everybody, if anyone was wondering where ImperialShadow is, he has an exam this week, so he probably won't be online much. I realize that it is already Thursday and that the week is about to end and that is partially my fault for completely forgetting about that. I was supposed to mention I was going to be the Project Lead from 2/28/11 - 3/4/11.

I've made a minor mistake in what I mentioned above. I will actually be the temporary Project Lead from 2/28/11 - 3/9/11. Sorry about that.



Still, if anyone ever has any suggestions on the project, feel free to share them with me or 'Shadow. We are always open for constructive criticism.


 
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Hmm... Are there any slots open for additional idea givers?

Hmm... I could add a spot on the chart just for giving ideas. I'll name it "Thinkers."


EDIT 1:
SoHE News
There is now a new position available in our project team, Thinker.

Miss_Foxy, you're accepted as a Thinker! Welcome aboard the SoHE Team!
And btw, anyone else at all can be a Thinker for our team too. It is always good to have people to turn to when you need ideas. Suggestions are welcome too.

EDIT 2:

I just checked 'Shadow's profile page again, and I noticed I've made a minor misconception.

Instead of 'Shadow being inactive only until the 4th of March, he will actually be inactive until 3/9/11, next Wednesday.

I probably made this mistake due to the fact that me and 'Shadow are on opposite sides of the world and calendars over there where he lives might start with a different day than Sunday. That could have been a problem when he told me he would have exams next week last week.

EDIT 3:
Hmm... Rule #2 looks too much like Rule #1. I guess I shouldn't rule spam. :xxd:

Rule #2 has been removed.
 
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A path through two mountains..not bad, ah looks stormy.

You know what these terrains could really use? Some custom doodads. Show people stuff in the map that they don't see very often. Some nice eye candy.

There's a map you can DL here on the hive full of custom doodads already. You should use that.

I've been wanting to check it out myself but never got around to it.
 
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A path through two mountains..not bad, ah looks stormy.

You know what these terrains could really use? Some custom doodads. Show people stuff in the map that they don't see very often. Some nice eye candy.

There's a map you can DL here on the hive full of custom doodads already. You should use that.

I've been wanting to check it out myself but never got around to it.

yea I know of UTM but I don't plan to use it just yet,Custom Doodads can easily make this look better and I've started using some and I will surely be using some in this as well.
 
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You know what these terrains could really use? Some custom doodads. Show people stuff in the map that they don't see very often. Some nice eye candy.

There's a map you can DL here on the hive full of custom doodads already. You should use that.

I've been wanting to check it out myself but never got around to it.

yea I know of UTM but I don't plan to use it just yet,Custom Doodads can easily make this look better and I've started using some and I will surely be using some in this as well.

Yes, we'll surely be using custom doodads, but we haven't really thought about it much yet. We will worry about that later. We just need to get the terrain out first.

Man, the more I think about what needs to be done in the project, the more I think, "This project ain't never gonna be done!":nw:
 
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Yes, we'll surely be using custom doodads, but we haven't really thought about it much yet. We will worry about that later. We just need to get the terrain out first.

Man, the more I think about what needs to be done in the project, the more I think, "This project ain't never gonna be done!":nw:

just leave the terrain to me :p
and I might suggest you get working on the object editing stuff in least a post so that we will have a very clear idea on what we need while putting the units in.
 
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A New Member Has Joined the SoHE Team, As a Modeler!

Alright, we now have a modeler/skinner helping us out! So 'Shadow, when you find the time, post some requests here on what you need from him. I'm sure you're happy to hear that we have someone to skin your precious Fel Elves. :)
 
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and what WIP means?

WiP stands for Work in Progress. The terrain screenshots are all works in progress.

Count me in, terrainer, triggerer, idea giver, beta tester.

Well, if you are a part of the team, you're automatically a Thinker. All add you as a Beta Tester, Triggerer, and well, I'll think about the terrainer part, since we already have a dedicated terrain who is working very hard.

Actually, the terrainer is one of the only positions (besides Project Lead and manager) that I only want one of. The reason being is that most terrainers have different styles and make their terrain uniquely. If I have two terrainers, than half of the maps will be made a certain way and the other half will be made another way.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.


Well, welcome to the team anyway!


SoHE News
Vunjo has just joined the SoHE team and will be assisting us as a Triggerer and Beta Tester. Welcome to the team Vunjo!


One of our old Beta Testers, EpicCraft, will be dropped from the project due to a long period of inactivity on the project. Emphasis on the word long. He was also not given any ideas what's so ever or contributed in anyway.


Also, just for everyone's information, ImperialShadow will be resuming the Project Lead position in two days and I, Slayer14 will continue working on the project as the Project Manager.
 
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Hmm... Good question! Well, lets see. We'll be trying to go this order:

1. Terrain, Modeling/Skinning
2. Object Placing and Editing,
3. Triggers.

The next mission we need to do is Mission 1. The terrain has already been completed by MrStormyZ. There is absolutely no reason to wait for Modeling/Skinning, as there is none going on at the moment really. The Objects haven't been placed on the map and have not been edited to how we want them, and yes we are using the Campaign Editor. Our Project Lead, not me, but ImperialShadow hasn't finished that yet. (Because of that, we'll probably end up going back and re-doing the cinematic.)

But anyway, yeah. For awhile, unfortunately, you probably won't be doing much other than maybe contributing a few ideas. But after that, you'll probably be working pretty consistently, probably at least once every 1-2 weeks, since we'll only have to wait for the terrain and slap down the units.

Hope your OK with that. And oh, just FYI, we have another triggerer too, so actually you might have it pretty easy since all of the triggering work won't be piled on top of you.
 
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