It seemed to me he was arguing that as we become more rational, and less religiously orientated, war would eventually cease and we would develop different standards of whats right,wrong, etc, which would basically be centered around a non-violent appraoch to things.. If he wasnt saying that then i stand corrected..
good quality, being able to admit fault.
If i were to say that your dad is in fact a transexual, would it be wrong for someone to tell me I'm wrong? Honestly, to criticize others veiws, using actual logic, is just part of the pursuit for truth..
okay, but the views we're criticizing have been backed up with knowledge and a fair amount of logic. random accusations of being transexual and the like being given even the slightest possibility of validity are what caused things like the salem witch-hunts. (this is characterization of the people that caused them! don't yell at me for saying atheists caused the witch hunts! i know that the only people involved were puritans, and that they wanted there to be witches to hunt, which is why they "found" witches)
Now, as for taking the Old Testament as a metaphore.. How is that actually possible when it clearly states the earth was created in seven DAYS. A day refers to one rotation of the earth, and that seems pretty indisputable..
i'm quoting it, and am about to argue with it! that means you could safely bet your eternal soul that it isn't indisputable! a day is considered a complete rotation of a PLANET. does that mean every time the earth has rotated once, it's been exactly one day on pluto? NO.
Now how could things evolve into what they are, even if each day was mililions of years long. I mean, if it was only 7 days,everything would then have a completely differnet schedule.
peh, seven days of how long? a "day" is how long it takes a planet to rotate, but if planets haven't been invented yet how, wouldn't you arbitrarily designate a specific amount of time as merely a "day"?
Its also just seems scientifically impossible the earths rotation around the sun would slow that drastically, and there would also be A LOT of implications that i cant even think of right now..
you know... the earth actually
revolves around the sun, and that would be a year. i know the boundary between "revolve" and "rotate" is rather vague if you haven't heard it before, so let me clarify: a revolution of an object occurs around an axis external to said object, a rotation to one internal. and besides, what does the amount of time it takes to go around the sun have to do with the amount of time it takes the sun to do a mid-space pirouette (i'm working on being poetic :emote_grin
?
I am sorta in the middle of religous and athiest, I can be religious when im in a sad mood and need help, and im athiest otherwise.
i think that more or less makes you religious.
And think about this, what happens if there was no religon to begin with? there would be depresion, anger, judgement, suicide, countless pointless wars, etc. But since there is religion, it sorta balances everything out that happens to the world each day.
@depression: do you have proof?
@anger: so then we don't have anger now? isn't religion also a cause of anger among many?
@judgement: if you're bigoted religion is a way to judge people. did you read it when i said the KKK hates immigrants, minorities, and catholics? did you notice that shiite and sunni extremists hate the other side because they don't follow the same god the same way? don't go saying stuff that there is no way of proving. like there's lower chance of proving this than proving whether God does/doesn't exist.
So, athiest speaking, we need to be tolarent to other people that are religous, because without them there wouldn't be any, how should I say it to not make wand pissed off...."Cold war" where there is alot of threats of nukes and other *WomD*(Weapens of mass Destruction)
okay, i get what you mean, and i really like it, but you just accidentally blamed religious people on WMDs. you might want to change that.
So concluding, the idea of religon "weakens" people to not do crazy things, like drugs, murder, etc. So religon is preventing those things.
yes, but sadly only to the people that it actually gets to.
Doesnt make alot of sense, but its just being tolerant.
it doesn't make much sense =/
My big lecture showed my crual athiest side, but im just being tolerant right now. religon also needs to look up for athiests, because there are alot of athiests in the world, and lots of them are tolarent, so they talk about there religon, we listen, we make friends, etc.
i've been flaming people to at least let people believe what they want for most of the thread. demonsofdante has also been doing so, although without the flaming part.
My main point here is that religon and athiests balance the world together so we don't get crunched together in war, terrism, etc.
agreed, kind of. we'd work ourselves into positions that foster those kinds of negative practices anyways, all religious or all atheist. again though, no way to prove it.
aww, you spelled it wrong :emote_sad:. i don't blame you though, i'd just like to clarify that it's "ephy", not "empty". misspell it again and i'll send evil sheep into your dreams :emote_razz:.
Philosophers make an idealistic theory based on what they expirience in real life. However what they've expirience is only a part of a whole (like a slice of cake). For instance, you're blindfolded and you're asked to describe an object by touching one part, you think it is an urn, another person blindfolded touched a different part of the object and he thinks it is a soccer ball. The object is removed and the two blindfolded person argued against each other saying their description is truly the correct one.
or even worse, one person is saying something about one particular thing, and then somebody else says something different about a different thing that is similar to the first, yet completely and absolutely a separate thing. it makes good brain food, and bad everything else.
Who really cares about this anyway.... IMHO religion is a waste of time, thats my opinion and I AM entitle to it, just like your entitled to your opinions on how great religion is....
then why did you post in the first place? not to mention a post that got you Ephy Flamed™? isn't it a waste of time to tell people who clearly won't listen to you that they're wasting their time?
At the end of the day it's a matter of personal preffernce anyway... it's almost like saying "BLUE is the best colour in the world..." and then someone else going "nuh-uh.... its RED I tell you... RED!!!"
no, this is much, MUCH,
MUCH deeper than that. this is more of a "what is reality" thing. the fact that you dismissed this ENTIRE thread as a "he said she said" argument really shows us that at the end of the day, you are just another random character whose curiosity has dried up.
I have no problem with religious people, if your religious then good for you... religion is supposed to be a personal thing, so keep it to yourself... there really is no need to stand up and say "Im religious and Proud of it!" just like there is no reason I should jump up and down screaming that im not religious...
once again, why did you post in the first place? yes it's an open forum (thread), but nobody invited you to denounce religion using only a narrow view of a single religion. you posted because you want other people to think religion's a waste of time too, and you think you can convince them.
Like I said, its a matter of personal preffernce... even when/if science DOES prove that God does/does not exist, people are still gonna choose pray and follow religions or not to... because some people need to believe in something and others do not...
then don't go around saying
Religion is a fools game, it's for those without the strength or power to get things done, instead they place there hope into fictional beings that can not exist in the realm of reality.
Religion is dictatorship, Thou shall now do this.... Thou shall not do that....
...
Religion is suppresion of the human mind and nature, it is for the weak.
Btw I really thank teh_empty for bringing this up, this really supports my research. The quarell and stuff happening here I will take it into account as an evidence.
i was thanked :emote_grin:! you might also want to take a look at the
Pastafarian link i posted. it might not be relevant, but it seems to have been overlooked and i wouldn't want you to miss it if it was.
There is a liquid inside our brain called endorphans(sp) when we feel happy, that liquid gets released all through our body to make us happy, like for example, smile right now........you just released endorphans."Feel the holy spirit* is impossible, because the only thing that can make you happy are endorphans and drugs.
actually, endorphins are what you use to move, and when released they make you feel relieved, not happy. and there are other neurochemicals that do make you feel happy.
hey, us athiests can be wrong, theere might be a god, there might not, I just need physical prove, if god just sundenly came to my door step and said hi and turned me into a sheep for 2 seconds, then yes, I would beleive. But right now, I think god is a hoax for money.
BUT GOD DIDN'T START OUT THAT WAY! like there are loads of gods that don't demand money or anything! and when God was invented, do you think jesus made money off of it? I like wand when he said gods were created because ancient civilizations were stupid better than you saying God is a hoax for money. read what i said after the 13th and 14th quotes in my first post on
page 4.
I got one of those to,
"God is as real as a dead christian going to hell" (meaning that both are fake)
A) i don't get it, B)it's possible for christians to go to/be in hell...
Ihaterednecks is eather lieing, or this kid shot a .367 diamond shotgun into the guys face. And if not, its almost impossible, this guy would overpower the little guy just with a finger, I think Ihaterednecks is pulling the chains on us guys.
i'd like to agree, but there's no actual way to know unless we look it up.
I agree, there is soooo many damn rules to this religon, if its marriage, clothing, all the way to sex. This religons gota go, its riducules.
uh, marriage isn't that strict, i don't have any idea about what you mean about clothing, missionary style was actually not in the bible and only taught by missionaries. and don't be biased against religion as a whole just because of one religion. like do you know what the kamasutra is? it's supposed to be some hindu guide to get the most out of sex.
Uh,hu its not the best way to say it, but it works in the matter, like if I say yellow is the best color, and you say blue, and the other guy says yellow, we would want to war eachother, and kill, kill, and KILL! reminds me of the wars going on in Eastern Asia. Just dumb.
bah it's the WORST way to say it. and it isn't just about that, it could be as profound as what is morally right and what isn't.
There is alittle word called "tolarence" if a friend or someone wants to talk to religon about you, be tolarent, don't be mean and say "Get the F*ck out of my lawn!" just listen, and talk about you being a athiest in a nice way, not leading to a fight. If there cherry picking you on religon, just say, "I don't want you here anymore, sir/ma'am. Not...."I said! get the F*ck out of my house!*
okay, but why haven't you been talking about being an atheist in a nice way? i'm
pretty sure that religion isn't the only reason people murder people (not familiar? check out your little list in the post at the top of
page 4).
True and false, most of the devoted people will do that, but some other religous people arent that devoted and do drugs, if they hear that, they will say "YES!!!!! NO MORE CHURCH! WOOOHOO!!!!!" or something like that....Religon will grow, then it will decay, then we will be religon free because of science. Science will prove all of em wrong, its a Religon VS Science War.
don't you think by the time science even has a hope of proving any religions wrong, religion and science will have reconciled?
what does regenerative traits mean? as in cells being able to grow and blood clots being able to form? these are basic functions which are pretty well understood at a molecular level and are prominent in many living things, including alot of bacteria.
i think he means things like being able to grow back lost cells, and repair damage.
Let me stab a baby. I don't give shit how fast it can recreate it's own cells, the motherfucker is going to bleed to Death if I don't mop it up and Cover the wound. It's an infant, it's more susceptible to pretty much everything, especially being shanked.
well gee, that's a little worse than being birthed.
emotions are due to randomness withing the brain, effectively emotions act as senses giving us a clearer perception of the world. emotions are what the brain uses to "tell" you how to enterprit the world, such as confusion, love for a thing or person, hate for a thing or person.
aside that confusion isn't really an emotion, how the hell does it help you
interpret what's going on? isn't being confused acknowledging that you are unable to grasp the situation at hand?
also, emotions are not just random electric pulses going across brain cells, that's more like what dreaming is. emotions happen because you have been conditioned to respond a certain way to a certain stimulus. for example, if you are deathly afraid of snakes, you obviously had some sort of negative encounter/interaction with a snake or the image of one. if cake makes you happy, its because cake has come to represent sugar, which i believe most children are more than happy to partake in. have you ever heard of the Little Alfred experiment? the child wasn't afraid of anything, but was taught in a rather mean experiment to fear white mice, which carried over to things like white fur coats and santa claus masks.
without them we would be less able to understand our surroundings. emotions are an advatage and arent just shown in humands, most animals with upper brain functions (such as memory) have emtions.
emotions can actually detract from understanding our surroundings. for example, if you are angry enough to induce tunnel-vision, i'd have to argue that your capability of understanding what's going on is reduced. or if you're head-over-heels in love, you can be pretty oblivious to lots of things, and dismiss large character flaws as minor quirks.
its like saying someone who is autistic has an advantage, well they dont really do they? they are more reckless and less able to understand their existance than people who do have emotions.
most of the disorders and conditions that fit under the incredibly wide umbrella of autism are learning disorders. high-functioning autistics are not reckless, and the ones that appear to be merely do not understand the concept of consequences as well as you or i would.
Yes, but why do have hate or love for a thing or person? I few chemical reactions started a "Revolution" within the brain, creating emotions? I really can't explain my thoughts that clearly right now, I'm feeling kind of disoriented.
you know some people actually are incapable of understanding that someone would wish them bad, and actually do NOT hate people? they're not in any way mentally deficient, but were just raised the wrong way (in the most positive manner possible) during a stage of development. as such, they are completely incapable of understanding that there is a person in the world that would want to hurt them, and are completely trusting, gullible, friendly fools.
