Nex Hero Defense v1.3

[VergilThazaar]

Played this map... It´s very boring, all my friends said, that it is a really bad map!

- This is a very bad comment, you have to report the reasons why you found the map boring! Without suggestions or anything its just an empty malicious comment.
Looking forward to your next post!

 

[reason 3]

Funny and entertainining map.Could use some improvement,it gets 5/5 from me!

 

[VergilThazaar]

Funny and entertainining map.Could use some improvement,it gets 5/5 from me!

Could you specify what kind of improvements, or any suggestions?

 

[Freeze87]

hi dude 3 days ago i played your map (last version) on garena,some guy host it.... That was 1 time that i play your map ...,i play about 20 min and creeps just stop to spawn,i dont now whay but they stop coming,maybe that hapens 1 time in 1000 games,but.....We wait about 5 min and nothing hapen,so we destroy gate,enter ''evil city'' and destroy enemy main building and win very easy Map is cool but wtf....

 

[VergilThazaar]

hi dude 3 days ago i played your map (last version) on garena,some guy host it.... That was 1 time that i play your map ...,i play about 20 min and creeps just stop to spawn,i dont now whay but they stop coming,maybe that hapens 1 time in 1000 games,but.....We wait about 5 min and nothing hapen,so we destroy gate,enter ''evil city'' and destroy enemy main building and win very easy Map is cool but wtf....

Do you remembe at which wave this happened? Were you killing at the enemy Spawning place? Any other information that could help me?

EDIT:

Good point on the upgrade attack speed and the specialty message was what i meant it my other post.

Also i have 1 more suggestion:

Make the little carrier guys upgrade with the heros as in replace them with little version of the heros like how ranger starts with little ranger make upgraded ranger (forgot name...) have a little upgraded ranger.

- I don't think that'll look good, 'cause at Classes 2 and 3 the Heroes have a "Hero Glow" that wouldn't look good for a shopper. Although the shoppers look kinda weird, noT?
(sorry for not seeing your post)

 

[Freeze87]

Man you have serious leaks in creep spawning,today i test 3-4 times your map alone and i use chit becouse i cant test alone...I use "whosyourdaddy'' cheat, i enter spawning place and start killing creeps while they spawning,in wave with Gargoyle they stop spawning,also when i rmk they stop spawning in other waves,i think that problem can be if players kill creeps while they spawning or maybe if they kill creeps very fast...Spawning place have defense but few players can enter and kill creeps and "GAME OVER"! If i help you pls give me REP

 

[Killer_MoD]

well as reply for the question
i played alone and i was samurai
but playing alone is a bit lame^^
but still... if you play alone you are level 10 in the first 2 rounds
thats way too much

 

[CHA_Owner]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHA_Owner
Good point on the upgrade attack speed and the specialty message was what i meant it my other post.

Also i have 1 more suggestion:

Make the little carrier guys upgrade with the heros as in replace them with little version of the heros like how ranger starts with little ranger make upgraded ranger (forgot name...) have a little upgraded ranger.

- I don't think that'll look good, 'cause at Classes 2 and 3 the Heroes have a "Hero Glow" that wouldn't look good for a shopper. Although the shoppers look kinda weird, noT?
(sorry for not seeing your post)

Yea i guess your right but you could make them upgrade none the less just use different models that look slightly similar and thanks for finally replying

 

[VergilThazaar]

Man you have serious leaks in creep spawning,today i test 3-4 times your map alone and i use chit becouse i cant test alone...I use "whosyourdaddy'' cheat, i enter spawning place and start killing creeps while they spawning,in wave with Gargoyle they stop spawning,also when i rmk they stop spawning in other waves,i think that problem can be if players kill creeps while they spawning or maybe if they kill creeps very fast...Spawning place have defense but few players can enter and kill creeps and "GAME OVER"! If i help you pls give me REP

I'll try to fix that bug in the next version, thanks for the report! I've met this before, but I couldn't confirm it. Thanks!

well as reply for the question
i played alone and i was samurai
but playing alone is a bit lame^^
but still... if you play alone you are level 10 in the first 2 rounds
thats way too much

Thanks for the info, it really helped me.
You can't win alone (without cheats), or can you?

Yea i guess your right but you could make them upgrade none the less just use different models that look slightly similar and thanks for finally replying

I believe changing the hero and the shopper will be too much for a player, especially for a new one. Although, even if there is no graphical change, the special ability of each shopper is increased by class advancement. If you have something more specific in mind let me know, Thank you!

 

[CHA_Owner]

Hmmmm... well how about for each time they level up the hero class give the little shopper a special ability like:

First level up: Roar (or something similar)
Second level up: Cure (as in cures a debuff such as slow/poison)
Third level up: Replace short ranged blink with map wide blink

You get were im going with this youdont have to use those exact abilities but just something in that manner the wont be game breaking but yet will be very helpful.

Good luck

 

[Killer_MoD]

Thanks for the info, it really helped me.
You can't win alone (without cheats), or can you?

you can... the only bad thing are the rippers who kill you instantly
but samurai got copies and in shop there is the illusion powerup
so you got 3 copies and kill the rippers while they got attack cooldown
oh and one suggestion some armor for mages what increases int/mana would be nice because well... as healer you get some problems to heal everyone because of permanent lack of mana if you skill "cure"


EDIT: forgot to tell... the samurai can get up to 20k dmg without problems... and + Ulti is about 50% bonus
dmg what means 30k dmg...
you should nerve him a bit...
and even if the healer got income... its too less to buy potions forever

 

[VergilThazaar]

Hmmmm... well how about for each time they level up the hero class give the little shopper a special ability like:

First level up: Roar (or something similar)
Second level up: Cure (as in cures a debuff such as slow/poison)
Third level up: Replace short ranged blink with map wide blink

You get were im going with this youdont have to use those exact abilities but just something in that manner the wont be game breaking but yet will be very helpful.

Good luck

- Yeah I get you, but I thought of the same thing before adding 1 ability. The problem is that then you would keep your shopper in front line to support you and won't have him back at the city where he belongs buying things and return.

- Although, I will replace the invisibillity from Mage's Shopper with your "Cure"! Thanks dude & +REP!

you can... the only bad thing are the rippers who kill you instantly
but samurai got copies and in shop there is the illusion powerup
so you got 3 copies and kill the rippers while they got attack cooldown
oh and one suggestion some armor for mages what increases int/mana would be nice because well... as healer you get some problems to heal everyone because of permanent lack of mana if you skill "cure"

- Mage's Armor is a great idea! Thanks +REP!

EDIT: forgot to tell... the samurai can get up to 20k dmg without problems... and + Ulti is about 50% bonus
dmg what means 30k dmg...
you should nerve him a bit...
and even if the healer got income... its too less to buy potions forever

- I will lower Samurai's Skills, according to your sayings he's way too overpowered!

- The staff's seemed to help me every time I picked a Healer, but also I don't auto-heal all the time, but I select which ally to heal according to how critical the situation is.

 

[Killer_MoD]

im just playing with 2-3 people^^
too many people = too much idiots^^
btw... you should do some more levels^^
it became boring at level 30

oh and one question for level 40
is it normal that you will loose any mana?
if yes... its really stupid^^
to make it really funny you should increase the damage of the boss and give more armor
so mana would be needed
because if you got no mana you can just stay around and watch your hero while he kills the boss

 

[Freeze87]

Legionnaire ability have mistake in desription, it say "increases wariors attack by 20" but increases by 200. Change sound set for quick and magic shopper,they are female but have male sound set Also if you want you can add 1 recipe shop with name like "legendary items"..,and few unique wepons and armor recipes... You have 1 leak,archer can blink over gate and enter "evil city'', add some line of sight blockers,and then he cant....If i help you give me REP

 

[VergilThazaar]

im just playing with 2-3 people^^
too many people = too much idiots^^
btw... you should do some more levels^^
it became boring at level 30

oh and one question for level 40
is it normal that you will loose any mana?
if yes... its really stupid^^
to make it really funny you should increase the damage of the boss and give more armor
so mana would be needed
because if you got no mana you can just stay around and watch your hero while he kills the boss

- I'm sorry but I'm inactive at making the map (Real Life Issues & PC Problems). Tommorow I'm receiving my New! PC, a real piece of art, so from tommorow & on I will use the gathered information combined with my plans to make the next version!

- It is normal to loose mana, the Final Boss nullifies your mana. That's only one (the final) wave, so it's not so hard to wait. By increasing the damage and armor doesn't give anything special to the Boss like to the first one. Although, if it's so irritating I might create an accessory that prevents that from happening, but with a high cost of gold. Would that be OK?

Legionnaire ability have mistake in desription, it say "increases wariors attack by 20" but increases by 200. Change sound set for quick and magic shopper,they are female but have male sound set

- Actually I have replaced the "Agility" with "Attack", so it's correct because 1 Attack(Agility) gives you 10 Damage. But I might change the description to say how much Damage it increases to avoid confusion.

- I'll look into the sounds.

Also if you want you can add 1 recipe shop with name like "legendary items"..,and few unique wepons and armor recipes... You have 1 leak,archer can blink over gate and enter "evil city'', add some line of sight blockers,and then he cant....If i help you give me REP

- "Legendary items", "Unique Weapons/Armors", "Recipes", they all exist and I don't like copying another Map Maker. If I want recipes I can always play DotA, but what I want is Customizable items.

- I'll look into the blink-sight bug.

< Thank You! >

 

[Killer_MoD]

It is normal to loose mana, the Final Boss nullifies your mana. That's only one (the final) wave, so it's not so hard to wait. By increasing the damage and armor doesn't give anything special to the Boss like to the first one. Although, if it's so irritating I might create an accessory that prevents that from happening, but with a high cost of gold. Would that be OK?
:

sure it would be okay... but how about more levels too then?
by the way... did you know you can change the percentages of the damages on every type of armor? why dont you give the last boss divine armor and set the damage types percentages to 50% or something like that

 

[VergilThazaar]

sure it would be okay... but how about more levels too then?
by the way... did you know you can change the percentages of the damages on every type of armor? why dont you give the last boss divine armor and set the damage types percentages to 50% or something like that

- That's a fine idea, but he doesn't need more armor 'cause you can't use spells. So the only way to kill him is attacking and if he's got high armor it would be near impossible.

 

[Mirrandil]

Oh yeah
One of my fav Maps atm.
But there r still some bugs/improvements

First of all, as an archer u cant use the first bow in shop (+500 dmg) -> says "only archer can war a bow"
In one Wave there r a lot of Zombies with 150 armour, u should decrease this, they r so fcking strong and the following mobs r too easy again ^^
The Res Ability of the Main Building should have a lesser cooldown. 5 min is too much, when u have just 1 or no Cleric in ur team. Or Change it to mass resurection
All in All the waves r unbalanced. Some r too difficult and some r too easy O:

But I love the Map. Cant stop playing it on Bnet <3

 

[CrazyKiD]

Does this map requires Wc3 1.24?

 

[VergilThazaar]

Does this map requires Wc3 1.24?

Uhm... I don't think ANY map requires ver 1.24. Some don't work with 1.24, but do work on earlier versions. So... well no, it doesn't require 1.24

 

[Killer_MoD]

- That's a fine idea, but he doesn't need more armor 'cause you can't use spells. So the only way to kill him is attacking and if he's got high armor it would be near impossible.

well the people i played with the last time i killed the boss... they said too its was boring because we couldnt use spells
ok we couldn't die because of samurai + tank and me as cleric (cant die because of auto-life) samurai did the damage tank just attacked too... like i said...
set armor type to divine set the percentages of damage for each damage type and then you are finished
then you can readd mana then maybe give the boss some skill to spawn minions who deal some damage too(but dont give gold) so it would be more interesting

i had started working on a rpg (never finished because of some trigger problems) and i made 3 bosses who are really hard (not able to kill alone... neither with high power equip) and they are using skills when they are ready...(i think it was normal if you give him spells and activate them for him ^^) but this is a different story...

i can give you some tips on making nice bosses if you have no clue what bosses you could do


see ya..

 

[VergilThazaar]

well the people i played with the last time i killed the boss... they said too its was boring because we couldnt use spells
ok we couldn't die because of samurai + tank and me as cleric (cant die because of auto-life) samurai did the damage tank just attacked too... like i said...
set armor type to divine set the percentages of damage for each damage type and then you are finished
then you can readd mana then maybe give the boss some skill to spawn minions who deal some damage too(but dont give gold) so it would be more interesting

i had started working on a rpg (never finished because of some trigger problems) and i made 3 bosses who are really hard (not able to kill alone... neither with high power equip) and they are using skills when they are ready...(i think it was normal if you give him spells and activate them for him ^^) but this is a different story...

i can give you some tips on making nice bosses if you have no clue what bosses you could do


see ya..

- I am always open to suggestions! I do like the current Boss, and since it's the FINAL Boss doesn't matter a lot if Mages can't cast spells. (Besides I am trying to lower the power of the Mages)

- I also can't currently test my own map, so at first chance, after having what you said in mind, I will test it and improve it. Thank you!

 

[Killer_MoD]

- I am always open to suggestions! I do like the current Boss, and since it's the FINAL Boss doesn't matter a lot if Mages can't cast spells. (Besides I am trying to lower the power of the Mages)

- I also can't currently test my own map, so at first chance, after having what you said in mind, I will test it and improve it. Thank you!

well lowering the power would be nice
but
you can do some magic immune levels like the giants (lost once as elementalist)


well good luck at improving... its exciting to wait for newer versions^^
and playing them alone^^

 

[VergilThazaar]

well lowering the power would be nice
but
you can do some magic immune levels like the giants (lost once as elementalist)


well good luck at improving... its exciting to wait for newer versions^^
and playing them alone^^

Magic Immune - 0 Mana.. same for Wizard Class!
Playing alone sucks, playing 5-6 people is the true fun!

 

[Killer_MoD]

Magic Immune - 0 Mana.. same for Wizard Class!
Playing alone sucks, playing 5-6 people is the true fun!

well if i would find enough people who stay the whole game...
oh btw
i just remember the heroes...
you placed the heroes in the city(maybe for players to look how much dmg and hp they got on high level) but the stats arent correct
i had spartan on level 58 and got more attack than the spartan on lvl 100 who is placed...
its a bit irritating if you cant see the true stats
is there something that modifies the stats?

 

[VergilThazaar]

I'll have to add triggers for the stats, 'cause the basic stats max is 100.

 

[Killer_MoD]

are you using UMSWE or WEU?

 

[VergilThazaar]

- The classic World Editor. I've heard of corrupted maps e.t.c. I generally avoid using 3rd party programs. If I need something that the default World Editor can't provide then and only then I'll search & download another program.

 

[Killer_MoD]

well sometimes WEU is nice because it can avoid the limits(not all but most)
it wouldn't damage the map and sometimes if you are using special triggers what are only supported by WEU//UMSWE the normal WE cant open it anymore
so its a little protection against idiots who are editing the map for nothing than improving their damn gameplay^^

i suggest WEU because i used it myself without any problems
maybe sometimes it could cause errors but these arent that bad

 

[CHA_Owner]

Alright i found 3 bugs:

warrior is only class which shows red arrows pointing toward its name at the beginning of the game.

samurai's bushido ability does nothing when it is said to give a % attack more damage.

icon for idle worker quick select needs to be changed

Good luck

 

[VergilThazaar]

Alright i found 3 bugs:

warrior is only class which shows red arrows pointing toward its name at the beginning of the game.

samurai's bushido ability does nothing when it is said to give a % attack more damage.

icon for idle worker quick select needs to be changed

Good luck

1. Not Bug, I recommend "Warrior" class.

2. It does give +% attack damage. You're saying that it's not working because it doesn't show the bonus nor a critical? If Bushido didn't work then Samurai wouldn't be so damn imba ^^

3. I have no idea what to place that'll match all the 3 shoppers. (That icon is better than a peon anyway)

- GOT MY NEW PC! YEAH!! -

 

[CHA_Owner]

I would place the "Random Unit" icon for the shoppers.

Okay i understand about the arrows now.

You might want to make bushido so that it shows so people will be aware that it is in effect.

Good Luck

 

[Killer_MoD]

I would place the "Random Unit" icon for the shoppers.

Okay i understand about the arrows now.

You might want to make bushido so that it shows so people will be aware that it is in effect.

Good Luck

well... if you never watched on the life of the creeps you should do it in a game alone
lets take a "Dead Guy"(those zombies for the ones who dont know it)
one samurai skilled bushido they are going down like molten butter
i think this is a little bit screwed... @Vergil what is Bushido created like? i dont want to open the map without your permission^^ is it created as skill or in combine with triggers? btw...

You might want to make bushido so that it shows so people will be aware that it is in effect.

once you skilled bushido the animation of the samurai is always the same... it looks like you are doing criticals... always! including to this... once skilled bushido you are doing heavy damage... 50% is really immense damage bonus
i made 30k dmg as level 81 samurai + 24k weapon and bushido lvl 3
well... i lost against rippers because of some minor problem *grin*


enough of this post xD
wrote too much useless stuff
greets

 

[VergilThazaar]

I would place the "Random Unit" icon for the shoppers.

Okay i understand about the arrows now.

You might want to make bushido so that it shows so people will be aware that it is in effect.

Good Luck

- I'll take your tip for the shoppers! Thanks a lotS!
About Bushido I believe Killer_MoD already answered you.

[...] @Vergil what is Bushido created like? i dont want to open the map without your permission^^ is it created as skill or in combine with triggers? btw... [...]

- It's a skill, really simple actually. I've used the "Execution" from that skill too.

 

[Killer_MoD]

maybe i use that in a lter map too^^
i dont reach my old rpg anymore so i cant work on it anymore...
all my work lost...
i hate it xD
always had problems with triggers or had no idea for some skills... and now everything lost

 

[VergilThazaar]

That's too bad

 

[Killer_MoD]

yep...
i hope that would never happen again^^
but i hope that wont happen with this map too

 

[CHA_Owner]

I thought of a better icon to use for it try the "multiple units" icon it would be perfect for the shoppers

and thanks for the info about bushido.

 

[VergilThazaar]

Yeah, thank you too!

 

[Killer_MoD]

and thanks for the info about bushido.

no problem^^

 

[Mirrandil]

asdf

When will there be a new update?
Lovin' it. <3

 

[VergilThazaar]

When will there be a new update?
Lovin' it. <3

I'm so sorry, but I got studies... At first chance I'll make it! I already have completed a fair list of changes, but I still got some work to do!

 

[reason 3]

And we are here to help you

 

[VergilThazaar]

Ok, I'm staying up today to make the map! Thanks for volunteering reason 3!

 

[reason 3]

No problem

 

[Killer_MoD]

When will there be a new update?
Lovin' it. <3

you have to know...
map making is hard...
it takes its while
you will have to wait until new one is out
so be patient

Edit: why the hell my settings for this thread are dump?
saw just mirrandil'S post as last one and now the post of reason3

 

[VergilThazaar]

Profile > Edit Options > Thread Display Mode > Linear - Oldest First

Thanks for understanding..

 

[Killer_MoD]

Profile > Edit Options > Thread Display Mode > Linear - Oldest First

Thanks for understanding..

nah it was just bugging^^
i shouldn't set it as favorite
but thanks anyway for giving me the hint

 

[light bolt30]

This map is good.

 

[CHA_Owner]

I like the new changes and thanks for mentioning me in the change-log